Bernie: Do not claim to be my supporter if you are committing violence

[bravenak]

This just came on my teevee while watching Maddow. He says we cannot beat Trump if we are out there behaving violently and throwing eggs and stuff.
I stand with Bernie on this. Thank you, Senator!

Found a link: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/282201-sanders-we-are-not-going-to-defeat-trump-by-throwing-eggs

[Agnosticsherbet]

1. Thank you Senator Sanders.

[scscholar]

25. But don't you think it's too little, too late?

Seems like that.

[bravenak]

34. Better than nothing

Might be a sign of progress

[NurseJackie]

96. Even if it's just an afterthought ...

... I welcome it.

[bravenak]

103. Me too

I'll take what I can get

[SusanCalvin]

59. Huh?

I'm not aware of Bernie condoning violence.

And AFAIK no chairs were thrown in Nevada.

[drray23]

70. of course he never did advocate for violence. Nobody disputes that.

However, it is great that he is forcefully telling people who resort to violence that it is not acceptable.

[SusanCalvin]

71. Yes, but what I was disagreeing with was "too little, too late." nt

[raging moderate]

105. Yes, you are right.

Bernie Sanders has told his supporters not to be violent on other occasions.

[Agnosticsherbet]

108. When someone does the right thing, it is appropriate to provide positive feedback

[RandySF]

2. Thanks, Bernie

But where were you when they were tossing chairs and threatening the children of party officials in Nevada?

[bravenak]

4. This is a start

Makes me feel more positive towards him

[aikoaiko]

7. There were no chairs thrown. And Bernie condemned the threats.

Where were you?

[Raster]

15. NO ONE TOSSED A CHAIR. You know this. This is fact.

Dial it down, Randy. People shoot their mouths off big time in anger, you know this, right?

[RandySF]

17. Yeah

People threaten family members of the Nevada Democratic Party Chair all the time.

[SusanCalvin]

60. Chairs and phone messages are two different things.

Those messages were despicable and no chairs were thrown.

[cherokeeprogressive]

61. That's your definition of throwing chairs? Fuck me to tears but you're a piece o' work.

[RandySF]

67. Everyone seems fixated on the chairs

while ignoring the death threats.

[cherokeeprogressive]

69. Choke on words YOU posted... "But where were you when they were tossing chairs"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2119489

[SusanCalvin]

79. The message were nasty and I deplore them.

No chairs were thrown.

[Smarmie Doofus]

80. Who made death threats? nt

[panader0]

107. The death threats should have easy to trace. Who got arrested?

It would seem that arrests would be made.

[Skwmom]

19. It doesn't matter is a lie is debunked.

[Chasstev365]

28. IT DID NOT HAPPEN! YOU WERE DUPED INTO BELIEVING AN UTTER LIE

[Warren DeMontague]

43. if no chairs were thrown why do people keep bringing up chair throwing?

If people keep talking about it, it must have happened!



....right?

[cherokeeprogressive]

62. I think it depends on whether or not they click their heels together, and how many times. nt

[HERVEPA]

36. No fucking chairs were thrown. Stop repeating the fucking lie.

[peace13]

90. Just for the record..

NO chairs were thrown. Is there some reason you need to spread this crap over and over?

As for the threats, we have a lot of not too smart folks around and a candidate has no control over every person. Bernie is a peaceful caring person. People who want him to succeed are peaceful as well!

[CorporatistNation]

106. THE CHAIR "THROWING" WAS CONCOCTED AND FROM A WRESTLING VIDEO!

JUST MORE LIES... e.g., MSNBC To the deniers... Watch THIS Video... It is not comforting to think that she may well be the Democratic Nominee...

Hillary really betrayed Andrea Mitchell... The entire context of this report was of a solemn nature... A Funeral so to speak...

Andrea Mitchell "I do not see this report as ...ANYTHING BUT... DEVASTATING!"

Chuck Todd "After this I don't think that she could get confirmed for Attorney General!"

Lots of FIBBING by Hillary here.. for more than a year!

[LonePirate]

3. Well said, indeed!

[The_Casual_Observer]

5. It's a little late for that now Sanders,

All that fire and brimstone has its unintended consequences.

[aikoaiko]

10. Really? Should Bernie not describe Trump as a major threat?

[okasha]

38. At least he's aware of it now and has done the right thing.

[anotherproletariat]

6. I'm glad he made such a strong statement. It was needed. nt

[bravenak]

8. Me too

[baldguy]

9. "Sanders' New York delegation is threatening to sow chaos on the convention floor"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2116107

"Bernie's wrecking crew"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512114502

"I feel nothing but joy in the egging and punching of Trump Supporters."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512117238

[bravenak]

11. Absolutely disgusting

[Skwmom]

20. Oh yeah, I really believe those are Bernie supporters.

[baldguy]

24. Ask them. They're posters here on DU.

[babylonsister]

12. I want to know who

was involved in that fight. People who are partisan or people who like to stir up the masses w/o any affiliation?

[bravenak]

18. It really was not clear to me at all who it was fighting

[Skwmom]

13. Who said they were Bernie supporters? Of course, that's what you'd like people to think.

The reaction from the Clintonites is very telling.

[bravenak]

16. Bernie is the one who said this. I have no idea why you think I personally put it into his head.

[tandot]

33. It doesn't matter if they are Sanders or Clinton supporters

Trump will use it to play victim, telling his supporters that Democrats don't like the Constitution and Free Speech.

His ignorant supporters don't distinguish between Sanders and Clinton ... for them, the Democratic party is the enemy

I truly hope that we'll come together soon to fight this very dangerous buffoon

[Warren DeMontague]

42. It doesn't matter if they are Sanders or Clinton supporters, or neither.

the important thing is that Sanders is blamed for it.

[bravenak]

47. People probably assume they support Sanders because Hillary was also protested

[Warren DeMontague]

51. Maybe. However, I suspect given the location, the protesters were largely Latino, pissed at Trump

for reasons which are not terribly hard to glean.

Similarly, a lot of the Hillary protesters were there because of Honduras.

That doesn't make them "Sanders Supporters", though.

[bravenak]

52. I can agree with that

I think he just wanted to make it clear where he stands on violence. It's good that we all stand together

[Warren DeMontague]

55. Sure, as long as we're not trying to catapult a narrative that isn't backed up by facts.

You know, like "violent chair-throwing Berniebros", that kind of thing.

I have always been against violence. I think throwing eggs at the woman at the Trump rally was wrong, wrong, wrong.

[bravenak]

58. You never saw me in the chair throwing threads

I had decided to not comment

[Warren DeMontague]

68. I get that. FWIW, I think this statement by Sanders is good, and can't hurt.

It's like our entire national electoral conversation is breaking down; I was thinking about it just now, and it occurred to me that maybe no small amount of it is driven by the fact that a large portion of the American people, really, would much prefer it if we could just get four more years of leadership from the guy who is already in the WH. And I think a lot of people are just now starting to realize how much they're gonna miss him.

Like, we have a perfectly good President already; why fuck things up?

But, that's not how it works.

[bravenak]

73. Yep

People are losing their minds now that Obama is leaving. All we can do now is prevent Trump, just so as to actually have a nation in the future. Proud of Bernie, he stepped up. He could have just ignored it. Tired of Trump getting to play victim.

[tandot]

57. ?

I don't understand what you are saying. Trump and his supporters will blame Democrats ... to them, there is not much difference between Sanders and Clinton.

[melman]

14. It's very obvious what you're doing here

As clever as you may think it is.

[bravenak]

23. It is obvious that you think about me too much

[Demnorth]

21. I'm glad he finally said it,

straight out.
I much prefer the term "movement". Revolutions always seem to bring out the worst in people.

[bravenak]

22. Me too

I have been waiting and waiting

[Tal Vez]

27. Good for Bernie!

[tandot]

29. Thanks, Bernie!

It just encourages Trump and his supporters playing the victim, even though often they instigate

I hope we all can come together to beat that asshole and the GOP

[bravenak]

31. We must defeat Trump

That man is the devil

[tandot]

37. I totally agree

I live close to Sacramento, CA ... Trump had a rally on Wednesday at the Sacramento airport... and I watched it on local news. I was so disgusted. It was so scary to hear him talk (and envision that if enough stupid people vote for him, or some people decide to not vote, he could be president.

I was utterly disgusted by GWB and didn't think he would ever be elected. I, and so many others, were wrong. We paid the price.

Bernie had a rally the same day at the University of California at Davis, the place I work. I took off because I didn't want to be stuck in a traffic jam trying to drive home from Davis to Sacramento. It was hot as hell and Bernie supporters braved the heat and stood in line to just hear him talk. Bernie and his average supporters are not the enemy. It is the fringe that is trying to tear us apart. Some of the DUers posting the most insults against Hillary might not even be Democrats. I wonder how many right-wingers are pretending to be Sanders supporters to create discord between us.

We CAN'T let them win

[bravenak]

39. Yep

I think there are quite a few right wing disruptors, people who pretend support, but just want to tear the left apart. I have decided to focus my energy on Trump and what I see as infiltrators abusing the left with their violent ways. No way does the average Sanders supporter condone much of what we have seen going on. I think Trump fans are really good at trolling us.

This time we will not let their bullshit Rovian tactics succeed. I just keep imagining Trump with nukes.

[beachbum bob]

30. First positive thing he has said ...in weeks

That didn't center on him

[bravenak]

32. This is the thing I have been waiting for for months

[imagine2015]

35. Perhaps you need to get off the beach than you will learn he's said a ton of positive things lately.

[Logical]

44. Really? Donate $100 to him if I prove you wrong?

[Warren DeMontague]

40. Excellent. When is Hillary going to do the same and repudiate her violent supporters?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1966599

[bravenak]

45. Was he not arrested?

[seabeyond]

49. Seriously? Are you talking about the ONE man that was then arrested and charged?

[Warren DeMontague]

53. That's one more "violent supporter" than I've seen on the Sanders side.

I haven't seen any acts of violence committed by actual Sanders supporters. Have you?

[seabeyond]

56. ok

[B Calm]

41. When will Hillary come out and say to her supporters the same?

Bernie is a class act!

[bravenak]

46. Ridiculous

He was saying that people who do this are not really supporting him and if they are, no thanks!

[B Calm]

54. and that's ridiculous for Hillary supporters, because they wouldn't do anything like that.

Okay. . . .

[cherokeeprogressive]

72. Did you see the video of the woman who was pelted in the face with the eggs and veggies?

Those weren't nor could they have been "Bernie supporters". They were "People of Color" aka Latinos. NOT Latin(a)s, but Latin(o)s.

Since we ALL know that PoC do not support Bernie Sanders (only white teenagers do, and then ONLY the white teenagers of privilege) they HAD to be Hillary Clinton supporters.

Funny how your friend sheshe is running around with her hair on fire over a movie poster, and says jack shit about a woman, surrounded by MEN, being pelted in the face with eggs and vegetables by MEN while MEN practically poke her in the eye with a foreign flag.

According to pretty much EVERYTHING you've posted, they could NOT have been Bernie Sanders supporters. So if they're NOT Bernie Sanders supporters, and they're physically assaulting a woman whose only bad act was to wear a shirt that said "Trump", they HAD to be Hillary Clinton supporters.

You guys WILL cause us to lose this election. Congrats.

[bravenak]

77. I have no idea why you think I think they did it as Bernie supporters

This op was written because I stand with Bernie in saying violent demonstrators are most certainly NOT his supporters and that he wants them to not claim to be.
I do not speak fo sheshe. I can condemn that disgusting behaiviour and say that nobody deserves to be pelted with anything just for going to a political rally. She has the right to wear that shirt anywhere she pleases, within legal limits. Nobody should be intimidating anybody and those who assaulted people derseve arresting. Violence is not condoned by Bernie, Hillary or the party as a whole.

[seabeyond]

48. GOOD for Sanders. And finally. I can stand with Sanders. Nt

[bravenak]

50. I am most pleased to stand with him on this. Glad he said it! Whew!

[nadinbrzezinski]

63. It is obvoous wha tyou are doing here

and is that kool aid neolberal favored, like Orange flavored?

[LexVegas]

64. Good on Bernie. nt

[Marr]

65. Awesome. Hopefully Hillary will make a similarly responsible statement, now that

someone has shown her how to do it.

[bravenak]

74. Hillary always denounces violence

She prefers peaceful protests. Same as most of us.

[Rex]

66. There was already in place a lot of social unrest in this country.

I knew this election would be a powder keg. Didn't however predict the GOP would pick Dump.

[bravenak]

75. Republicans have los their minds.

They really did a dumb ass thing picking the guy who gets KKK endorsements. Trump is gross.

[Rex]

76. I hope that is a signal the GOP is toast. Stupid people that don't know how stupid they are

cannot be reasoned with. They have to be kept out of office.

[bravenak]

78. May they spend a generation in the wilderness trying to find their souls

[Rex]

81. I still say the damage done by Dick-Dubya will have decades long repercussions

for their parties chances for the WH. Just look at how Jeb went over like a wet fart in an elevator.

[bravenak]

82. I think that Trump's xenophobia will seal the deal for a long time to come

Whatever the Bush crime family left intact will be smashed to pieces by Trump. I cannot wait for the debates. He will be pissed at having to answer questions.

[SusanCalvin]

84. "He will be pissed at having to answer questions."

[bravenak]

89. Can you imagine him being pressed to respond on topic?

Pissed!!!!!!!!

[SusanCalvin]

91. It would be epic.

And, in a rational world, would lose him the election then and there.

[SusanCalvin]

83. Hope so.

Still think Bernie was (is) the best available to try to accomplish that, somewhat in spite of (some of) his supporters and operatives.

[bravenak]

86. His ideas were great

He just did not dot the I's and cross his T's.
Gotta plan in advance and hire a diverse staff. I swear how you start out is how you finish. He campaigned to the same demographics that were the most crucial to our side back 40 years ago. Failing to understand the democratic demographics was his fatal error. What he needed were good advisors and to leave Jeff Weaver elsewhere. Devine is not a big winner, but he knows the game. Reach out early and often and to diverse groups. Next left progressive populist should study this campaign and take the wins and figure out the failures to aviod them next time.

[SusanCalvin]

92. Bingo. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

85. I know you are not going to read this

but I also know he was asked a LEADING question by a reporter looking for a narrative. The people who did this, who are protesting are NOT Bernie Supporters, they are NOT HRC supporters. The politics emerging from this are not within the political parties. Now here is the problem with this.

1.- Bernie Sanders was asked a leading question by a reporter catapulting a meme, Bernie Bros are like Trump fans, violent thugs... damned if you do, damned if you don't...

2.- These protests have escalated now to the point that for the first time, yes when you are about to cover one, you follow them, the protesters started the shit and not the other way around.

3.- This is all about CIVIL RIGHTS and a community that is scared shitless.

4. No violence is not a good path, that said, we are on a path that I expect a lot more violence. In fact, I expect somebody to die before this is over.

[SusanCalvin]

94. Hey, nad.

As you know, I listen to both you and brave. Thanks.

[amandabeech]

109. Thank you for this post.

I expect someone to die as well, perhaps many someones.

[Thinkingabout]

87. We do not have to respond to Trump supporters like them.

[bravenak]

88. We sure don't. Trump fans suck

[Lazy Daisy]

93. I don't know why he's apologizing

They couldn't possibly be Sanders supporters. We've all been told time and time and time again POC don't support Sanders.
Hillary doesn't apologize for her violent supporters.........

Why the double standard?

[bravenak]

95. Maybe some claimed to be his supporters? He says, 'nope!'

I see no problem with his statement

[mmonk]

97. Unfortunately violence may continue to show up

surrounding Trump due to his message of hate.

[bravenak]

100. I agree

[DrDan]

98. once again having to admonish his supporters - must be quite embarrassing for him

[bravenak]

102. I'm not even sure it was an actual Bernie crowd

I hear it is Latinos that are sick of Trumps racist anti latino diatribes. I would be mad too if he came to my town. I just hope it calms down. Trump fans might start bringing weapons and people will get hurt even more.
Trump is a real asshole. Just typing his name pisses me off.

[DrDan]

104. I know - the situations are getting more tense and trump is

Refusing to do anything to reduce the violence

[Gothmog]

99. Violence is never appropriate at a political dvent

[bravenak]

101. It looks bad all around