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Amazing how if you believe in a government for the people they try to paint you as a radical. (Original Post) Skwmom Jun 2016 OP
that is key to a bandwagon strategy GreatGazoo Jun 2016 #1
Fringe is one thing but radical? Especially when the accusations come from people that call Skwmom Jun 2016 #5
When you run for office as a democrat MFM008 Jun 2016 #2
The Democrat Party use to be the party for the common people (i.e., a POPULIST party). Skwmom Jun 2016 #7
Yep. cliffordu Jun 2016 #3
Amazing how if you believe ... NanceGreggs Jun 2016 #4
It's her record. Look at how the Clintons became part of the 1% and her war record. Skwmom Jun 2016 #8
Just how would Hillary be a better President? madokie Jun 2016 #9
I see no reason rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #15
Yep. n/t TDale313 Jun 2016 #6
Amazing how if you believe in government BY the people folks want to change rules and Jitter65 Jun 2016 #10
K&R Spot On! B Calm Jun 2016 #11
Right? passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #12
What's amazing rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #13
and then alert-stalk you Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #14
"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." bobbobbins01 Jun 2016 #16
Being for Medicare for All or protecting SS makes you a far-left fringe radical with them. Scuba Jun 2016 #17
Yeah, those GOP big-mouths are truly despicable, aren't they? randome Jun 2016 #18
More people voted for Hillary. FACT. boston bean Jun 2016 #19

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
1. that is key to a bandwagon strategy
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 04:06 AM
Jun 2016

It avoids talking about issues and policy by dismissing them, without stats, as fringe.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
5. Fringe is one thing but radical? Especially when the accusations come from people that call
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 04:10 AM
Jun 2016

themselves Democrats...

MFM008

(19,808 posts)
2. When you run for office as a democrat
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 04:10 AM
Jun 2016

under DEMOCRAT PARTY rules and regulations and agree to a process, you need to STICK to that.
I dont believe Sanders ( or Hillary) are radicals.
Trump is the radical and he needs to be the overwhelming concern to fair
minded individuals who vote.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
7. The Democrat Party use to be the party for the common people (i.e., a POPULIST party).
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 04:24 AM
Jun 2016

Now, we have Democrats running from that label...

Speaking at a recent closed door fundraiser, Vice President Joe Biden, who’s weighing whether to mount a third presidential bid, turned his attention not to dominant frontrunner Hillary Clinton, but to Bernie Sanders, the Vermont senator who’s currently Clinton’s top challenger. Biden admitted that he believed Sanders was doing a “helluva job” on the campaign trail, but he also told the well-heeled crowd his and Sanders’ worldviews aren’t identical.

“I am not a populist. But Bernie Sanders, he’s doing a helluva job,” Biden told wealthy Miami-area Democratic donors yesterday, according to Politico’s Marc Caputo.

http://www.salon.com/2015/09/03/joe_biden_reveals_his_biggest_difference_with_bernie_sanders_i_am_not_a_populist/

NanceGreggs

(27,814 posts)
4. Amazing how if you believe ...
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 04:10 AM
Jun 2016

... that one candidate over another would make the better president, they paint you as a corporate-hugging, war-loving, oligarch 1%er who has their head up their ass and hates their fellow citizens.

But that really tells you something about the people making that accusation.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
8. It's her record. Look at how the Clintons became part of the 1% and her war record.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 04:27 AM
Jun 2016

She votes for blowing up Iraq (a DISASTER) and turns around and pushes Obama to blow up Libya.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
9. Just how would Hillary be a better President?
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 04:48 AM
Jun 2016

better than tRump I agree but how would she be a better President than say Bernie Sanders. A man who for all intents and purposes has a good head on his shoulder. Who is the same day in and day out, a person who doesn't need group think to tell him where to direct his energy

Its her turn is hardly an argument to be made for Hilliary that I will base my vote on

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
15. I see no reason
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:19 AM
Jun 2016

to make a case that Sanders would be a better president. He certainly would not have any support in congress for most of his agenda.

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
10. Amazing how if you believe in government BY the people folks want to change rules and
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:55 AM
Jun 2016

trash the government and the party that the President represents.

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
13. What's amazing
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:13 AM
Jun 2016

is the power of self-delusion. As in saying a candidate who lost substantially in the popular vote as well as delegates is the one who is "for the people."

This is a habit of both far right and far left extremists. DU is not representative of "the people" any more than RedState is. Most Americans are centrist.

My issue with Sanders now boils down to this: if you're so popular how come you ain't winning?

Yes I know all the excuses. But your churlish butthurt comes down to being willing to disenfranchise a significant majority of voting democrats.

And that is elitism, not populism.

You are not "the people." There are other people and they're Americans just as much as you are; yes including conservatives and republicans and even the rich. And the millions more who have voted for Clinton, including the traditional democratic base constituencies (all of them, including labor).

This is where I part ways with the "progressive" left.

bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
16. "In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:28 AM
Jun 2016

These days it is a radical idea, the people in power won't go quietly.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
18. Yeah, those GOP big-mouths are truly despicable, aren't they?
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 08:08 AM
Jun 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

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