What Was DU Like in 2008 Hillary vs Obama?

[Grassy Knoll]

I Joined a year later and didn't see how comparable it is to today.

[Xipe Totec]

1. It was fuggly.

With a capitol 'F'

[KT2000]

2. nothing like this

I recall back and forth that was more informational than what is going on now.
I think this whole country is sliding into the dump - crass, rude and mean. Many on DU included.

[Live and Learn]

8. +10,000 nt

[youceyec]

14. But

its not Clinton supporters throwing mud. Its Bernies. More reason Hillary will be nominee, we cannot allow gutter politics to be the norm.

[Lochloosa]

16. Changed my mind.

[actslikeacarrot]

24. It's both,

And anyone who dosent recognize is either blind or lying.

[KT2000]

27. Agree! n/t

[seekthetruth]

29. Well that's a bit of b*******

[Loudestlib]

31. You just joined

How do you know?

[BootinUp]

3. Not as funny cause you weren't here. nt

[bigwillq]

4. It was awesome!

It was ugly, like 2016.

And I enjoyed every moment of it.



I love primary wars.

[AuntPatsy]

6. Our species has behaved the same since the beginning of time, only the names along with

the scenery seems to alter more diversity...

I think we were lured here into a false sense of calm after 2000

I realize now such is just not possible....

[Live and Learn]

7. Well, it didn't lose a big part of its membership following the primary like it seems inclined to

this time.

[Fumesucker]

9. I was in more of an "any Democrat to beat the Republicans" mode then so it didn't seem as personal

In retrospect 2008 was two establishment figures competing, I figured out Obama was establishment by the time of the FISA vote so it really didn't matter too much to me which one beat McCain.

It's different this time, Hillary is the same uber establishment authoritarian war hawk she's always been but Sanders is speaking to a part of me I thought had died forty years ago.

[Vote2016]

42. this ^

[joshcryer]

10. Lots of Clinton hate.

[Fumesucker]

13. Oh yes...

I can think of several posters who loathed Clinton in 2008 and are among her most staunch defenders in 2016.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6106026&mesg_id=6106553

Hillary's animal lust for power is frighting

Hillary obviously needs intervention and intense psychiatric counseling.

Maybe after years of therapy she can regain some semblance of basic humanity.

Maybe....

[Grassy Knoll]

15. Wow, Did They Fight About "Supers" Not Counting?

[Fumesucker]

17. I honestly don't remember

I wasn't paying attention since I didn't have a specific candidate although I found Obama the most personable and likeable. I liked what Edwards had to say the most but he always came across like the traveling salesman in the hotel bar at three AM trying to talk the waitress into going up to his room with him.

[Grassy Knoll]

18. LOL, What an analogy about Edwards

[joshcryer]

22. Nah, supers rarely came up.

The consensus was always that it hinged on the pledged delegates. People were more worried Clinton would contest it with how close it was.

[joshcryer]

21. Um, that was a response to the assassination comment.

Which Clinton should still be ashamed of making.

[Fumesucker]

25. Oh, I thought that one was about the Gaddafi bon mot

My bad.

[Ken Burch]

38. Has she EVER really apologized for it?

(other than doing the "I'm sorry if YOU were offended" non-apology apology thing?).

[joshcryer]

39. Well, it was true.

And it was a perfectly valid reason to stay in the race.

But you don't fucking say it.

That's why it was reported as a gaffe.

[jack_krass]

32. Posted w/o comment from the linked OP: "We have seen an X-ray of a very dark soul" *

*this message is intended as constructive criticism.

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. Notihng like this

and it was pretty bad back then.

[geek tragedy]

12. Clinton was hated for being a sore loser. nt

[joshcryer]

23. Except she was gracious in defeat.

I was the only one to make a thread about her convention actions. DU was pretty damn silent.

[Fumesucker]

28. Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience, Senator Obama has a speech he made

[joshcryer]

35. When it was over it was over.

She dropped all pretenses and fought her ass off for him.

Oh, and it turned out that she was right when she said he was Republican lite.

[geek tragedy]

34. I may not have been that active here then

Was volunteering for the Obama campaign.


Her moves were appreciated, but part of me was like "awww hell no" when she was announced as SOS.

[joshcryer]

36. I hated that ProSense turned on Obama at that moment.

As well as many many DUers. ProSense started the bullshit "Obama got boxed in by Clinton" argument, and actually, I'd like to think that was the beginning of nearly eight years of trashing Obama on a lot of unnecessary garbage.

Obama is and always has been magnanimous, his choice to pick Clinton for SoS was pure class.

[writes3000]

19. I remember it being pretty intense and pretty ugly.

There were lots of grenades thrown at each of the candidates. Accusations of racism and sexism. Inexperience versus corrupt. The positive wave of Obama's campaign was pretty hard to snuff out so I felt for the Clinton supporters. But like the Bernie supporters this time, they were put in the position of having to argue against the leading nominee which made them sound extremely bitter and hostile at times.

It was bad then. It's worse this time.

[Grassy Knoll]

26. Berners On DU Do Sound Bitter, But...

I Think the Trumpsers posing as Berners is causing the most division,
The Bernie fans I know in the real world hope he wins but don't hate Hillary if she wins.
There mindset is beat Trump, whoever it is.

[Starry Messenger]

20. Lots of slinging of articles back and forth to "prove" tiny differences in policy

and trying to make them into wide gulfs. In retrospect, both candidates were pretty closely aligned.

There was some nonsense at the end with the whole PUMA thing, and some Obama people wouldn't stop being dicks to people who supported other candidates, but I think by the end of summer, we were all pretty united for the General.

[tandem5]

44. Tiny?! No. Obama is Hope and Change with capital letters!

He's not some establishment Democrat like ol' clap clap point point over there!! GoBama!

(then those stupid bouncing ball things right?)




Repeat that x1000000 and you got DU 2008

[applegrove]

30. There was very little to none dehumanization of candidates. Guess

the GOP didn't have paid trolls back then.

[Matt_R]

33. Hillary Clinton started the Birther Movement against Obama.

That should sum it up, and what makes Clinton a no vote for me in the primary.

[nc4bo]

46. There ya go. She lost me forever because of that shit. nt

[Ken Burch]

37. About like this. At times worse.

There were even HRC people then who insisted that it was no big deal when she implied that we shouldn't nominate Obama(and said this on the eve of the California primary, of all the least appropriate times to say such a thing)because someone might assassinate him.

Some Obama people didn't behave that well, either.

(a lot of folks were banned after that cycle, IIRC).

[joshcryer]

40. Skinner said they banned like 4 people.

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Most Clinton supporters fell in line, either left the site, or went quiet.

edit: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1259&pid=9807

[JI7]

41. Edwards and Kucinich were a lot more popular than Clinton and Obama

[tandem5]

43. Donna Brazile! Don't get me started on her and Florida!!

[beachbum bob]

45. way worse, hillary supporters in the forums were zealots too

and did all the same foot stomping and threats....and in the end nearly all accepted the reality