2016 Postmortem
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Whereas Trump says he wants to build a wall, Hillary has ALREADY voted many times to actually construct one to keep out "illegal immigrants."
http://www.latintimes.com/hillary-clinton-bragging-about-building-border-wall-keeping-out-illegal-immigrants-352631
In Hillary's own words:
I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in, Clinton said .
http://www.latintimes.com/hillary-clinton-bragging-about-building-border-wall-keeping-out-illegal-immigrants-352631
Hillary Flip Flops on Immigration (finger to the wind, as usual)
If something doesn't poll well, Hillary won't take a stand on it. She didn't want immigrants to be granted driver's licenses:
It was a politically tough issue, Elliot Spitzer told the Times. It didnt poll well, but there was no ambiguity about what was right. And if you look at where we are now as a nation on this very issue Its the law of the land, I think, in California, a slew of states, and its not controversial because people know its right and it works. But at the time it was controversial. And because it was controversial she hemmed and she hawed.
http://www.latintimes.com/hillary-clinton-immigration-flip-flops-criticized-martin-omalley-immigrant-activist-351341
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)Why? Is it more of that law doesnt apply to Sanders people?
btw the DREAMERS she's fought for disagree with you.
https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/739164143823917058?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
stone space
(6,498 posts)Why? Is it more of that law doesnt apply to Sanders people?
If so, why?
And what is this bullshit about the law not applying to Bernie supporters all about in the context of immigration?
Do you think that folks being deported are asked about their presidential preferences, first?
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)Hope your foot is small.
the laws anywhere do not apply to Bernie sanders and his camp of rule breakers whether its wanting to overturn dNC rules or state election laws to not following the rules at the venue and then blaming the councilman. not bullshit--just sore loser who will say anything to get their savior Bernard elected...which ain't gonna happen.
Obama is deporting illegal immigrants. most of whom have criminal backgrounds.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/may/11/barack-obama/obama-says-deportation-criminals-70-percent-under-/
Obama administration plans to shield up to 5 million people - including young immigrants known as "Dreamers" from deportation.
At issue was President Obama's proposed extension of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, or DACA, created in 2012, and the Deferred Action for Parents of Americans and Legal Permanent Residents, or DAPA, which was scheduled to start in May.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-immigration-executive-action-20150526-story.html
stone space
(6,498 posts)Hope your foot is small.
I didn't ask about any link, and I don't even know what link you are referring to.
I'm not interested in your silly primary bullshit here.
I asked about your own statement regarding undocumented immigrants, which you didn't answer.
Why? Is it more of that law doesnt apply to Sanders people?
Do you have a problem with undocumented folks?
Interpreting after the Largest ICE Raid in US History: A Personal Account
Erik Camayd-Freixas, Ph.D.
Florida International University
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/07/14/opinion/14ed-camayd.pdf
Echoing what I think was the general feeling, one of my fellow interpreters would later exclaim: When I saw what it was really about, my heart sank Then began the saddest procession I have ever witnessed, which the public would never see, because cameras were not allowed past the perimeter of the compound (only a few journalists came to court the following days, notepad in hand). Driven single-file in groups of 10, shackled at the wrists, waist and ankles, chains dragging as they shuffled through, the slaughterhouse workers were brought in for arraignment, sat and listened through headsets to the interpreted initial appearance, before marching out again to be bused to different county jails, only to make room for the next row of 10. They appeared to be uniformly no more than 5 ft. tall, mostly illiterate Guatemalan peasants with Mayan last names, some being relatives (various Tajtaj, Xicay, Sajché, Sologüí ), some in tears; others with faces of worry, fear, and embarrassment. They all spoke Spanish, a few rather laboriously. It dawned on me that, aside from their Guatemalan or Mexican nationality, which was imposed on their people after Independence, they too were Native Americans, in shackles. They stood out in stark racial contrast with the rest of us as they started their slow penguin march across the makeshift court. Sad spectacle I heard a colleague say, reading my mind. They had all waived their right to be indicted by a grand jury and accepted instead an information or simple charging document by the U.S. Attorney, hoping to be quickly deported since they had families to support back home. But it was not to be. They were criminally charged with aggravated identity theft and Social Security fraud charges they did not understand and, frankly, neither could I. Everyone wondered how it would all play out.
But this was only the surface damage. Alongside the many courageous actions and expressions of humanitarian concern in the true American spirit, the news blogs were filled with snide remarks of racial prejudice and bigotry, poorly disguised beneath an empty rhetoric of misguided patriotism, not to mention the insults to anyone who publicly showed compassion, safely hurled from behind a cowardly online nickname. One could feel the moral fabric of society coming apart beneath it all.
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)stoned and spaced.
I didn't ask about any link, and I don't even know what link you are referring to.
No one said you did.
Yet you felt compelled to accuse me of not caring about undocumented immigrants. There are literally 6 posts in this thread go back to my very first one kiddo. inform yourself of at the very least the conversation in the thread before posting..it helps keep those smelly feet out of your mouth.
What's so funny about deportation? You seem to find it amusing.
No, I find purposeful obtuseness funny because the tactic is so overused --I also find strawmen like this ridiculous question of yours hilarious...keep up the good work .
I did answer. you refused to look at the link provided because you just started assuming I didnt give a hoot about undocumented folks.
... and sure you dont care about the "stupid primaries" Is that why you are posting in the GD P forum? lemme guess ..you had NO idea , even though you have 5500+ posts?
YES there are problems
but to try and blame Obama when its the courts and GOP creating these problems is not only disingenuous is deceitful.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/may/11/barack-obama/obama-says-deportation-criminals-70-percent-under-/
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-immigration-executive-action-20150526-story.html
Obama s trying to help these people and I'm glad , but we have the rw now accusing him of withholding info on violent crimnals that are illegals.
Its an ongoing battle like it always has been since the US became a country.
Do you think Obama can just wave a magic wand and overturn the laws? Do you think the opposition just sits around after Obama's executive order and says "oh well?"
stone space
(6,498 posts)Last edited Sun Jun 5, 2016, 03:16 PM - Edit history (1)
Its an ongoing battle like it always has been since the US became a country.
Drop the I-Word. Don't Feed the Hate Machine.
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Calling people "illegals" feeds a hate machine, by exploiting racial fears and economic anxiety. The i-word, along with other words tainted by hate, provides an easy scapegoat for complex issues and OKs violence against those labeled with it. Don't feed the hate machine. Drop the i-word. Sign the pledge at http://droptheiword.com .
stone space
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cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Or she was sleep depraved. Sleep depravity is a MoFo ya know. Or her words were taken totally out of context. Or the snipers were on her ass. Or something.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)We came, we saw, he died!
(Women who are taken off welfare) are no longer deadbeats.
She's progressive, really!
pinebox
(5,761 posts)I have been saying this for awhile now. Everything Hillary criticizes Trump on she has something in the same vain. This is a prime example.
And her supporters wonder why so many won't vote for her from our side.....
George II
(67,782 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)at Hispanic voters. What's up, Amborin? Couldn't you find another article to push your message, or what? Injecting the same dishonest poison each time...
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)Merriam Webster definitions.
Definition of wall - a structure of brick, stone, etc., that surrounds an area or separates one area from another
Definition of barrier - something (such as a fence or natural obstacle) that prevents or blocks movement from one place to another
So Trump wants to separate via brick, or stone whereas HRC wants to separate or block immigrants by fencing.
I feel better now.
me b zola
(19,053 posts)wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)Coming Tuesday night.