Now I really want Bernie to take this to the Convention. No party unity after this last trick.

[Seeinghope]

The complicity starting before the 1st Primary vote was cast, having the Super Delegates signed up to Hillary Clinton, media blackout of Bernie Sanders, total DNC backing of Hillary Clinton, debates scheduled during time slots to get the least amount of viewership and all of the shenanigans during the Primaries.......Now this.

Not even touching on all of the crap that Hillary Clinton would bring raining down on this country with the issues hanging over her head.

This is the last straw.......no toothpick. No way Hillary Clinton.

[Trust Buster]

1. The majority of Democratic voters disagree with you. Hillary is now the presumptive nominee.

[HooptieWagon]

23. Good luck winning GE with support from 55% Dems,...

And less than 1/3 Indies. The BoB movement is gaining momentum...Clintons dishonesty numbers are even worse than Trumps, most registered voters dislike her. That's even before FBI report gets released. The silver lining is that the November bloodbath will be the end of HRH and DWS's careers, and a major black eye to corporate Dems.

[Trust Buster]

27. Your candidate lost. You are experiencing a bad case of sour grapes. We forgive you this trespass.

[HooptieWagon]

41. All your candidate has won is 50+% of the party which represents 29% of registered voters.

And ordinarily, sny candidate would trounce Trump (as Ssnders does), but Clinton struggles as her dishonest numbers are even higher than Trumps. She'll lack legitimacy, and the GOP will begin impeachment hearings as soon as Congress is sworn in, and we don't give a shit. First husband/wife impeachments will be s black mark borne by Clintons and Democrats throughout history...just like Ferdinand and Imelda Marcos.

[Trust Buster]

43. It worked out well for "President" Barak Obama.....LOL

[jillan]

46. Really? You don't even know how to spell our president's name.

Shame

[bvf]

69. And the quote marks.

Probably the same guy responsible for all those hand-lettered signs on shop doors reading, "We r 'close'd' "

[GoldenThunder]

164. This is the DNC's "Charge of the Light Brigade" and "Battle of Little Big Horn"

They're completely blind to the fact that Hillary is a flat-out terrible candidate.

[bvf]

174. True, that. The stakes aren't real to them, apparently.

A lot of them seem to view it through some high school student council lens, where the worst that might happen is that they won't be able to eliminate Saturday detentions after all.

[Hortensis]

200. Proliferation of cconpiracy threads caused me to google

"conspiracy, left wing." There's plenty of discussion and plenty of studies have been done. Turns out the far left and right are also similar in a certain tendency to sometimes suspect inimical conspiracies instead of accepting facts that don't fit their picture of events.

This article is about this problem in Europe, grabbed to avoid political examples too close to home, but also because it points out that this could be a threat to our own democracy.

The conspiracy theories of extreme right and far left threaten democracy

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/18/conspiracy-theories-extreme-right-far-left-threaten-democracy

... This is the things-aren’t-what-they-seem school of thought. Nothing new perhaps. But what has become most striking is the degree to which conspiracy theories now abound in the political arena. This is one of the most striking features of the rise of the new populist or insurgent parties across Europe and beyond. The role of conspiracy theories is worth dwelling on because it points to some of the difficulties of representative, liberal democracies today.

This “us versus them” talk is not confined to the French far-right. It is a thread that runs through just about all populist, demagogic movements. ... What counts is that the traditional rules of the political game are questioned and the legitimacy of representative democracy is put into doubt. ... Part of the appeal of conspiracy theories is their simplicity. In a complex, changing world, it is tempting to reduce multifaceted issues to the us-and-them narrative. It is a vision that meets little contradiction because reasoned facts are sidelined by emotion. It is a binary scheme, with “the people” on one side and “the system” on the other.

“The people” are assaulted by plots prepared from inside “the system”, which can be domestic (state institutions, traditional parties) or foreign (the EU, financial markets, the Bilderberg group ... the list is long). It also thrives on the notion that a charismatic leader embodies the will of “the people”, who will ideally be consulted through online votes or public gatherings. This is where the weakening of representative democracy sets in.

This is from a more clinical article:

Researchers from the Netherlands’ VU University found that those who fall on the far right or far left of political ideology are more likely to “adhere to their belief system in a rigid fashion, leading them to perceive their political ideas as the simple and only solution to societal problems,” the team wrote, according to Pacific Standard. ... they craft or subscribe to elaborate conspiracies — no matter how far-fetched the conspiracy may seem, it makes a complex situation simple. These behaviors are then reinforced with conspiracy theorists’ tendencies to avoid news and other sources that refute their beliefs.

[Segami]

180. +1

lol.........

[bvar22]

187. ROFL

Can't even spell our current Democratic President's name....
and he is going to lecture us on politics.
You can't make this shit up.

[SCantiGOP]

197. But you don't have to be a jerk

And attack and try to humiliate someone for a simple misspelling. That's certainly not very kind of these posters who are so concerned about the betterment of mankind.

[HooptieWagon]

49. Obama captured the Millenial vote and about half of indies.

Clinton falls far short in both demographics. She's the most divisive and disliked candidate the Democratic Party has ever fielded.

[Trust Buster]

51. She's our nominee now.

[Jackilope]

53. good luck with that.

[Trust Buster]

56. Thanks

[HooptieWagon]

70. Convention isn't until July.

[Trust Buster]

72. That was not Sanders' reaction at this moment in 2008. We must be consistent and honest.

[merrily]

143. "Consistency" when situations are not the same is foolish "consistency."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2139336

[HooptieWagon]

165. Don't bother...it's like talking to turnips.

They still think Clinton will get millenial and indie votes like Obama, and that Sanders can give a speech or two and all his supporters will vote for Herself. theres no shortage of ignorance in Castle Bansalot...good illustration of living in a bubble. When reality smacks them it'll be painful.

[lancer78]

113. Obama lost Indies

by 5 points in 2012.

[HooptieWagon]

166. That's nearly half. Clinton is getting a third.

[senz]

120. +1000 Much truth in what you say here.

[Seeinghope]

58. Your smugness is not becoming. I don't want or need your forgiveness. You will need mine

though. Hillary Clinton will rain all of her problems and scandals on the American people grid locking the functioning of our Government.
.
BTW. The Republicans chose Donald Trump. Those voters won too! The people that did not vote for Donald Trump may have suffered sour grapes as well and the Trump supporters probably forgave them their trespasses too!

You Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump supporters enjoy your shallow victories while you can because your choices are going to come back and bite you.

[Trust Buster]

61. The majority of registered Democrats agree with my position and not yours.

[HooptieWagon]

74. Good luck winning in Nov without Sanders supporters votes.

BoB is gaining momentum....and Hillary and her supporters are helping.

[Trust Buster]

76. Emotions will subside. Hillary is the one.

[GRhodes]

118. Hillary is the one...

that's tied with the most unpopular major party nominee in polling history, the one with historically bad net favorables and now trusted less than a serial liar. She is the likely nominee, and your tone deaf arrogance is suicidal, especially given how horribly she's polling.

[840high]

130. Keep dreaming. I would

never vote for her. There are many like me.

[chwaliszewski]

137. This one doesn't.

[Seeinghope]

189. The majority of registered Republican voters agree that Trump is the best candidate just like you

think that Hillary is the best candidate. The majority of Democrat and the majority of Republican voters both have something in common, they both chose the wrong candidate.

[Jester Messiah]

199. Won't be enough though.

You may yet come to regret your childish triumphalism.

[redstateblues]

67. You weren't voting Democratic anyway. We'll win without you

[Scootaloo]

173. Who's got those sour grapes, now?

[Faux pas]

181. +10000000000000000000000000000000000000

[democrattotheend]

126. And many of you are experiencing a bad case of sour winner syndrome

I've never seen supporters of a winning candidate be so bitter about the primaries. I certainly wasn't in 2008.

[Rockyj]

175. Hello POD Person!

[LoverOfLiberty]

35. Only you know that isn't true

More Sanders supporters say they will vote for Hillary than Hillary supporters said they would vote for Obama in 2008

And you know how that turned out.

[stopbush]

39. Self-aggrandizing nonsense.

First, Hillary has won 55% of Dem votes.

Second, 85-90% of Ds supporting Sanders say they will vote for Hillary.

Third, the BoB movement consists of no more than 5% of Ds.

Fourth, Indies have never and will never be a deciding factor in elections. They break down equally along partisan lines and are predisposed to vote for a D or an R. Ergo, Indies are a meaningless wash.

Fifth, many Rs will vote for Hillary or not vote for Trump.

Sixth, Trumps negatives are sky high among significant voting blocks that DO decide elections.

You can delude yourself into believing that you and your ilk can deny Hillary the presidency, but you can't. You really can't.

[HooptieWagon]

77. Your made up "facts" are delusional.

But please cling to them...it'll make Nov all that much more shocking and painful.

[stopbush]

161. That's what the polls have shown consistently,

not matter what the dead-enders believe.

[rjsquirrel]

82. You're dreaming

She'll win the votes of the vast majority of Sanders supporters.

Trump will otherwise be your president too.

The butt it hurts.

[HooptieWagon]

89. Good luck with your fantasy.

You'll be very lucky to get ANY majority of Sanders supporters votes....a "vast majority" is laughable.

[musicblind]

135. So, are the Sanders supporters in the polls lying then? n/t

[Adrahil]

91. BoBers are fucking idiots. Bernie lost. NT

[HooptieWagon]

95. That kind of attitude adds to their numbers.

Heckuva job, Brownie! You'll yet be able to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

[leftynyc]

150. Really?

You're going to let anonymous people on the internet sway your vote? Does that seem like an intelligent, reasoned response to your candidate losing?

[HooptieWagon]

162. My vote was decided in '08.

But you go on and insult Sanders supporters. I'm sure BoB appreciates all you do to build their momentum. Maybe they'll even give you a plaque.

[leftynyc]

183. Insult?

Where is the insult? If me asking if anonymous posters on the internet is the way to make a decision is an insult, too bad.

[840high]

131. Unity my ass.

[chwaliszewski]

139. I'm sticking with Bernie. Are you calling me a fucking idiot?

[EvolveOrConvolve]

209. Jury results

On Tue Jun 7, 2016, 08:47 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

BoBers are fucking idiots. Bernie lost. NT
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2144495

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Personal attacks like this are rude and over-the-top.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Jun 7, 2016, 08:54 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not a personal attack by DU standards, no one was mentioned or singled out. A little extremely worded, but not hideable.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Hide. Next time try something like "Bernie supporters should support the nominee". Kindness is never wrong.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I see nothing wrong with attacking Democrats who are vowing not to vote for the nominee, in the process helping Trump to get elected. They are traitors.
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Explanation: No explanation given
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Explanation: It's time to knock that crap off.
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Explanation: No explanation given

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[truebrit71]

210. So i guess you're not going for the whole party unity thing then? Right ass-half?

Why just a half? Because it would take two of you to make an ass whole...

[yourpaljoey]

158. You paint a mean but accurate picture. Ugliness awaits us dead ahead.

[rock]

160. You're so full of yourself

You forgot the 80% of BSers who will vote for Hillary. Only about 20% appear to not want to vote the Democratic candidate.

[CorporatistNation]

31. Fuck Yeah... She'll WIN... With The Assist of Diebold Exclusively...

Don't count on ANY unification of ANY kind after the total history of this primary... WHAT DEMOCRACY?


Why it's an OLIGARCHY!!!

[Trust Buster]

33. The DU community is small relative to the total voting population. I'm not moved by your

negative behavior.

[puffy socks]

48. No one wants to unkify wkith zealots anyway.

"WHAT DEMOCRACY?"

The majority of voters chose Hillary. Just because that fact pains you so doesn't mean it wasn't democratic.

No need to post the ridiculous "it was rigged " narrative. Nobody with two brain cells buys that crap.

But if it gives you goosebumps go right ahead.

[SheilaT]

65. Remind me again why you think someone with such abysmal approval ratings would win the GE?

Oh, that's right. Her opponent, as difficult as this may be to believe, actually has a slightly more abysmal approval rating.

[Trust Buster]

66. No, because she earned more votes than Sanders. More disagree with you than agree with you.

[SheilaT]

90. Not really. Her disapproval ratings indicate quite clearly that the vast

majority of voters, even those who apparently voted for her, simply don't trust her. And THAT should give the Hillarybots pause.

What has led me to despair this past year are all those who don't like Hillary and who totally mistrust her, but have bought into the total bullshit of her "electability". At best she barely beats Trump. At worst, the entire fools paradise of her in-home server and the shady dealings of the Clinton Foundation will come back to haunt her.

I won't vote for her. Pure and simple. I'm 67 years old, and I've voted too many times for the lesser of two evils. People tend to think that phrase means the lesser is a good choice. No. It's still choosing something evil. And I'm completely over that. If she wins, then her behavior in office won't be on me.

Do not be surprised when she starts more wars. Don't be even remotely shocked when she declares that because of those wars there really isn't enough money for Medicare or Social Security, and of course she'll declare Obama Care to be a failed experiment, and throw millions of people back on the tender mercies of the health insurers. Pre-existing conditions, anyone?

I'm old enough that I'll probably be grandfathered into Social Security, although I suppose I can kiss all future COLAs goodbye. I'm old enough to remember quite clearly before the COLAs. Living on a fixed income wasn't just a turn of phrase, it was a reality. And it will become so again.

I'm in exceptionally good health, and as much as I'd hate it, I could go back to work. I'll survive better than most.

So brace yourself. Don't know how old you are, but if you're under 50, kiss Medicare and Social Security goodbye. Plan on working until you die. Just as people did back before those two amazing programs. Plan on dying of something that could be cured, and not that expensively.

[Trust Buster]

93. Ratings are not votes. I celebrate Hillary's nomination victory tonight.

[Silver_Witch]

170. Thank you Sheila...

Seems many have forgotten what so many fought for! To us Democrats that remember and will never forget!

[CrispyQ]

184. I've been voting for the lesser of two evils for 40 years,

& with every election the democratic party shifts to the right. When does it stop?

Until the dem party embraces labor again, they don't represent me.

[democrattotheend]

124. Actually, they don't

There was a poll about a week ago that showed the majority of Democratic voters wanted Bernie to stay in.

Many of you have been calling her the presumptive nominee since before the first vote was cast, so I don't see why you are so excited.

[dchill]

179. Because they were lied to...

Repeatedly. But you know that.

[TimPlo]

202. hy·poc·ri·sy

hy·poc·ri·sy
həˈpäkrəsē/
noun
the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.


http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2008/05/clintons-closing-argument-to-superdelegates/53314/

http://addictinginfo.org/2016/05/21/hillary-wrote-this-letter-to-superdelegates-in-2008-that-bernie-fans-may-find-interesting/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/clinton-in-2008-opposed-e_b_10245288.html

[writes3000]

2. The primary has followed the same patterns as other primaries. The rules don't change mid primary.

But the real issue may be that you haven't been familiar with Dem primary rules. There will be no convention battle.

[annavictorious]

3. I don't know why you're blaming Clinton.

This sucks for her too.

[Seeinghope]

8. You mean to tell me that this wasn't done to discourage Bernie supporters from voting for him?

This is so typical Clinton. It is funny that ALL of this crap that happens always favours Clinton and she NEVER did anything. Oh brother.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

15. Typical Hillary dirty trick... what else did you expect?

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[Enthusiast]

146. Huge +1!

[puffy socks]

52. So now Hillary is behind this too?

lmao!

Jesus! she's the smartest woman on the planet! She rigged every single primary that Bernie lost and no one can catch her doing it.

Y'all are being ridiculous.

[TheFarS1de]

62. Get some Carlin into you

....maybe learn a few hard truths .

[puffy socks]

73. Sorry

I love George but he's wrong on a few things, like not voting and then pretending you aren't responsible for what happens and that it affords you the right to bitch cuz it wasn't your fault. Nope.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

104. I have never ever voted for a Republican politician.

My first Presidential vote was Jimmy Carter. I was 21.

I have voted for Republican judges, back when there were sensible Republican judges on the local bench.

So anyone who wants to blame me for not getting out the vote, or not voting, I say they can go to hell. I've served my time. I was active in Democratic politics, was a delegate to the State Democratic Convention several times, and so were my parents.

My parents were part of a walk-out, rump convention and a fist fight (My dad got hit over the head by an old lady with her purse as he was trying to avoid being hit) at the State Democratic Convention in 1958. They were trying to get Henry B. Gonzalez nominated for Governor in 1958, a Mexican-American and long-time congressman from San Antonio. That was pretty radical for 1958. My father was a union organizer in the 1930s and 1940s. BEFORE we had any labor laws, thanks to Roosevelt.

So don't blame me for apathy. I have nobody at the state level that represents me. Absolutely nobody.

I refuse to feel guilty for not being active in politics. Because I HAVE been active in politics and it has done me no good. I am not represented.

[puffy socks]

110. and youre giving up and

pretending HC is not progressive, that will help I'm sure.


Dont bother posting about how she's not progressive. Its a lie



gnite!

[Manifestor_of_Light]

112. Let's see how well the TPP trade deal works out.

Or as Thom Hartmann says on his show, The Clintons were the authors of NAFTA, CAFTA
and SHAFTA.

Disastrous trade deals for the American economy.

[puffy socks]

116. Thom Hartmann is apparently an uninformed putz. Clinton isnt respnsible for NAFTA

Hillary didn't have anything to do with it. AND the effect on jobs loss was minimal.

Its Reagan's baby later finished by Bush Sr who signed it . Clinton's sig at the beginning of his first term was ceremonial onl.
Does this idiot learn any actual history before opening that mighty mouth?

and exactly how does labor benefit without a trade deal ?

[Manifestor_of_Light]

127. Destroying companies, destroying unions, firing thousands of people.

Importing cheap Chinese crap from sweatshops in the name of greed and the race to the bottom.

[puffy socks]

134. And you think that things would have been

better without a trade agreement
How so? What would stop corporations from hiring ALL cheap labor from foreign countries
The TPP actually gives labor a minimum wage..how is that a bad thing?

[Manifestor_of_Light]

141. FAIR trade, not free trade. Not the race to the bottom with sweatshops.

The TPP means that any environmental or public health laws could be broken with impunity.
Dangerous or harmful products could be shipped here and consumed and make people sick.
Because the TPP overrides the laws of the countries that protect the public.

[Seeinghope]

205. I guess there was nothing more that they could say. Good for you. It is hard for some when they

Talk to someone who knows more than they do.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

206. I don't know what they said.

But it must have been choice to have "name removed" and "message removed" replacing it.

[puffy socks]

212. "TPP overrides the laws of the countries that protect the public. "

Ah the old ISDS premise..
ISDS stands for Investor State Dispute Settlement is about investment and not trade. The anti arbitration folks are scare-mongering about a entity that relates only to investment.

ISDS is already in dozens of BITs (bilateral investment treaties) between the United States and other countries, including those involved in the TPP negotiations. Multinational corporations can treaty shop for the best protections . Also, most favored nation clauses in each BIT allow investors to choose the best protections from almost any BIT.


Question: How many ISDS claims has the US lost?


Answer: ZERO

Why? Because the US has an advanced judicial, administrative and regulatory system that does not treat investors (foreign or domestic) unfairly, and when it does it compensates them under domestic US "takings" law.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/takings


In fact the top 30 countries in the OECD Corruption Rankings a.k.a. the least-corrupt countries have lost never ISDS case, with the exception of Canada and provincial politics played a huge part in that.

[truebrit71]

211. Classy signature....very party-unity inspiring...

...

[Seeinghope]

204. She is not Progressive.

[Lord Magus]

84. Yes that's right, it was done because the AP had the info and wanted to report it first.

Take off the tinfoil hat.

[Enthusiast]

145. Huge +1!

[MariaThinks]

14. in little minds, all problems relate back to hillary. she has power over everything

[randome]

25. She is clearly the Ernst Blofeld of the political world.

Skulking in the shadows, pulling all our strings, blackmailing everyone from Obama himself to the cleaning lady at the local Pity Mart! WE MUST OPEN OUR EYES AND SEE!!!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[GulfCoast66]

42. Yep

Wicked witch and all that shit.

[840high]

132. corrupt power

[desmiller]

4. It's hell to pay now.

[thucythucy]

5. "This is the last straw..."

says a poster who evidently joined DU for the entire and express purpose of bashing the leading and now presumptive Democratic candidate.

[Seeinghope]

16. I've been a Democrat and this is an open forum. You have your choice and I have mine.

Mine just so happen to be a better choice but unfortunately, like the Republicans, choosing Trump, the Democrats are choosing Clinton. Nothing at all to brag about right now.

[randome]

29. Such a dearth of introspection. Never any consideration that you might be wrong, is that it?

smh.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[thucythucy]

63. Good for you.

I just object to all the showboating, is all.

You've been against Clinton ever since your first post. So all this, "Now I'm REALLY not gonna support her" is laying it on a bit thick.

But have at it, if it makes you feel better.

BTW: I voted for Bernie in my primary.

[Maedhros]

55. It's a job that needs doing.

When politicians push heinous policy, and try to trick us by tacking a "D" after their names, it's important to call them out on it.

We did it for Zell Miller and Joe Liberman, it's also important to do it for Hillary.

[Renew Deal]

6. There are bigger fish to try.

You don't have to like Hillary. Trump thanks you for the support.

[wendylaroux]

10. you still aint got it yet do you? good Lord.

[Renew Deal]

13. The Democratic Party has taken enough abuse

Get on board or get off. Your choice

[wendylaroux]

17. The Democratic Party has melted into the republican party.

[Renew Deal]

20. Wrong

[LoverOfLiberty]

36. Clearly you have never known

the Democratic Party.

[HooptieWagon]

44. They likes them some Reagan.

Bunch a fake Drmocrats...think cherry-picking one or two social issues makes them a 'progressive'....all it does is makes them George Bush in pantsuits.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

106. People are now too young to know what a New Deal Democrat is unless they are 80.

[wendylaroux]

7. they never had unity after this sham of a primary anyway.

[calguy]

32. No 100% unity as long as we still have

Sore losers like you in our ranks.
Or are you just trolling for Trump?
Which is it?

[dubyadiprecession]

9. It has gone too far, if bernie takes this to the convention....

Enough is enough, he should concede this race.

[mac56]

11. Oh, you'd like that, wouldn't you.

[wendylaroux]

12. well that will certainly not happen now.nor should it.

[Renew Deal]

19. You didn't need an excuse for division

It's not like you were ever going to get on board.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

21. Chances are zero, especially when this latest dirty trick backfires & Bernie supporters turn out tomorrow in droves.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[Barack_America]

18. First stop tomorrow is my county clerk's office.

Not waiting until the convention to officially be done with this party.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

26. I would never go that far... but can't say I blame you either.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[HooptieWagon]

28. We have a state/local primary in Aug,...

...afterwhich will be a huge exodus from the party in Florida. People are fed up.

[djean111]

152. Count me in on that. I am waiting to vote for Alan Grayson, then I am out. n/t

[ChiciB1]

196. I Said The Same Thing A While Ago, AND When Our

family got together for Memorial Day Weekend, 9 of us, we talked and talked and talked about what to do... in the end we basically decided that this is the LAST election that we will be registered as Democrats.

My husband and I have been Democrats for about 40 years, I have a daughter & son who are both married and they too are Democrats AND there are 2 grand kids who can vote and are now Democrats.

We were together for 3 days and made our decision. AND this was BEFORE this latest stunt! Well, Bob Dylan comes to mind... The Times They Are A'Changin! I'm sick of being taken for granted and I know many more people who feel the same way. I haven't talked to them about this yet, but I DO KNOW how they feel about HER!!!

She just ain't liked AT ALL!

[Jackilope]

57. I planned on post convention, but will bump it up to this weds.

37 years of being a Democrat, this is final straw.

[HooptieWagon]

163. 40 years for me.

Party is to the right of where the Republicans were back then. It's going to be quite a relief to leave.

[Lord Magus]

85. Bye.

[dana_b]

22. Yep!

NEVER Hillary
HillNO
Bernie Or Bust

At this point, I am just going to turn of the news, DU and anything to do with politics from the convention until the day after the GE.

[HereSince1628]

24. How did anyone think a primary season involving America's most polarizing candidate would end?

Really, tonite should surprise no one. -ALL- of this was inevitable considering the plays being made.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

30. I have to say, I'm a little surprised that even Hillary would sink to this new low.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[LoverOfLiberty]

38. Dewey defeats Truman

haha

[Jitter65]

68. So it's still blame Hillary for everything and anything. She had nothing to do with this. nt

[Demsrule86]

109. I think you have Obama to thank for this.

He wants the primary over...called Bernie over the weekend...now Bernie is in a box.The primary is done. And that is a good thing. I doubt Hillary had a thing to do with it.

[still_one]

34. and are we to believe that before you DIDN'T want Bernie to take this to the Convention?

[Seeinghope]

47. No, what I am saying is that once the Primaries were over there might have been some type of coming

Together in some way. People were beginning to accept the inevitable. This though just threw gas into a possible dying fire. Although I still think that Bernie Sanders is by far so much better for our country, I was hopeful that something positive would happen and there would be some type of coming together. Foolish me. I forgot. We are dealing with the Clintons. Leave nothing to chance.

[upaloopa]

54. You don't speak for anyone but you

[still_one]

59. First of all AP reported this. Contrary to what other threads have been saying, it is in neither

Clinton or Sanders benefit for this news.

Second, people who were going to vote in California will still vote in California. We have a lot of issues, and other offices on the ballot, than just the Presidential primary.

Third, both the Clinton and Sanders camps WANT their supporters to vote tomorrow, to demonstrate the support they have.

Should the AP have NOT released this until after the primaries on Tuesday, ABSOLUTELY, but they did what they did.

At least in California, anyone this morning who was going to vote tomorrow, will still be going to the polls to vote

[underthematrix]

37. Did anyone besides me see the tweet early this afternoon

that Hillary is 56% to Berni's 44% of the early voter totals in CA?

[still_one]

64. The question would be what percentage of those early voters in California make the total votes? I

believe it is around 20%, though it increases every year. I have been voting by mail for years in California.

Assuming the 20% is correct, that means 80% is the rest.

The polls indicate those who were registered Democrats since the last election favor Hillary.

The polls also indicate that the newly registered voters favor Bernie.

The most accurate pollster in the state is the Field Poll, and they indicate a two point spread in the final result. California will NOT be a blowout for any of the Presidential primary nominees in my view

[underthematrix]

80. I'm a mail in voter too.

Yes I agree. Everyone needs to get to the polls and vote. We can't take anything for granted. Nothing.

[still_one]

136. Besides the issues, if nothing else to show support for your candidate

[puffy socks]

40. ...

[One Black Sheep]

45. K&R. and Amen.

[Peregrine Took]

50. Amen! On to Philadelphia. n/t

[Hell Hath No Fury]

60. Damn. Fucking. Straight.

I have a VERY long memory, and this bullshit is something I will NOT soon forget.

[AzDar]

71. #NeverEVER The Corporate Dems Have Just Pissed On A Hornet's Nest...

[reformist2]

88. It's so f-ing obnoxious what they did tonight, I wonder if they can top themselves?

[bigwillq]

75. I hope Bernie takes it to the convention

But it probably won't change anything. It's highly likely he will not be the nominee, and I don't think he should be unless he takes a lead in pledged delegates.

[Hekate]

78. Take it up with the AP for wanting the news scoop. Have a big noisy rally at their HQ...

A fistfight, anything. You know you want to.

Just recognize that Hillary Clinton doesn't want this premature news either.

[brooklynite]

79. What is the "trick"?

Super delegates have been saying they'll support her for months.

[Lord Magus]

86. Reporting the facts is a "trick."

Because those facts have an establishment bias.

[Seeinghope]

94. Calling her the presumptive nominee the night befor the biggest state's primary

As well as other states primaries. Has she even reached the magic number yet?

[BreakfastClub]

101. She didn't do that. The AP did. She didn't WANT that to happen because it

takes the wind out of her sails, so you should be happy that it happened to her. She wanted to go over the top in delegates after NJ closed. This is not her doing, and shame on you for lying about her. She rejected the announcement on her site. By the way, if Bernie were declared the presumptive nominee tonight, you'd be jumping up and down and celebrating like there is no tomorrow. Bernie is a hypocrite and apparently so are a lot of his supporters. Maybe they get it from him.

[Stuckinthebush]

147. Isn't this the silliest attack on her?

My god. Some think that she actually had a hand in this. Amazing.

[NNadir]

81. Trust us. We've known all along you were not interested in the party or unity.

Have fun working for the Trump "Hillary is Satan" campaign.

You'll lose again.

Have a nice day tomorrow.

[writes3000]

83. You said what I'm thinking.

[Seeinghope]

92. You are

Wrong.

[NNadir]

159. Give my regards to Susan Sarandon...

Trumps new BFF.

The tenor of the OP, and the "Hillary is Satan" posts I've seen here at DU convince me that I'm absolutely right.

Actions speak louder than words. (I note that last night Sanders was still on his "Clinton is a war monger," message. Sheesh.)

[BreakfastClub]

97. +1. nt

[JoePhilly]

149. +1

[onenote]

87. What is wrong with lining up SD support before the first vote. Sanders did it too

He just wasn't as successful at it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/12/29/sanders-announces-the-support-of-a-superdelegate-its-his-11th-clinton-has-32-times-as-many/

[BreakfastClub]

96. It's OK if Bernie does it, don't ya know? Just like when he said

using SD's to win the nomination was wrong and undemocratic, then when he couldn't win without them, all of a sudden they are wonderful and part of the process.

And you're right. Bernie did line up SD's before the primaries started. So did Obama. In this case it's only NOT OK if Hillary does it. It's the same as when Hillary gets donations from corporations she is corrupt and in their back pocket, but when Obama got donations from the same corporations, he was wonderful and would never be bought off. It's all phony hypocritical bullshit. Such is politics.

[senz]

98. "Support" is not a vote. SDs don't vote until July 25.

[onenote]

102. The post I was responding too complained that Clinton lined up SD support before the first primary

I just pointed out that Sanders did the same thing.

So if there was something wrong with Clinton lining up SD support then I guess you agree there was something wrong with Sanders doing it too.

[Gman]

99. Buh-bye

[brooklynite]

100. Take this to the Convention and do what?

Refuse to endorse Clinton and lose a vote in front of a national TV audience?

[Raine1967]

105. There is no trick.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

107. Senator Elizabeth Warren said:

"I'm a superdelegate and I don't believe in superdelegates."

[Demsrule86]

108. And what would he do at the convention?

She is the nominee. There is nothing he can do...except concede and endorse...make a nice speech and work on the platform with Obama hater West.

[Tarc]

111. There is nothing to "take to the convention", this is a done deal

Your hyperbole is absurd. If Bernie would have won the pledged delegates, then the supers...just as they did in 2008...would have flipped to him. Sanders fans keep using the superdelegates as a scapegoat for their own candidate's failures.

[ecstatic]

114. GMAFB. nt

[Major Hogwash]

115. From the AP: Democratic National Convention cancelled.

Replaced with coronation.

Hillary is Queen for A Day!

Whoever thought that old teevee show would make a reappearance??

[eastwestdem]

117. Why is this Hillary's fault? She was trying hard not to clinch until tomorrow. She even

held back 40 super delegates (per CNN reporting) which were scheduled to commit on Wednesday, just so that she wouldn't depress voter turnout tomorrow.

What you want - for your candidate to stay in - would actually be the best thing for party unity. By seeing Sanders become irrelevant and continue to insist that people pay attention to him, he will expose himself as just wanting attention and press. If it were just a matter of furthering his issues, he could better do that by leveraging his current influence with Hillary's campaign. Instead of riding off into the sunset as a hero, he will be seen slowly deteriorating in status and altruism. He will be exposed as the emperor with no clothes, and it will be much easier for his supporters to leave him without guilt.

[democrattotheend]

125. That's what I initially thought

I felt like the announcement tonight sort of stole her thunder and risked depressing her voter turnout as much as Bernie's. But it's also possible that her campaign gave the signal to those 40 superdelegates that it was ok to talk to the media once they realized they may not win California, in order to minimize the press coverage of the last 6 primaries, many of which Bernie may win.

[eastwestdem]

128. But the AP and NBC called the super delegates, not the other way. I think if there is any fault by

Hillary's campaign is that they didn't give instructions to the supers on what to say to the media if they were called.

[musicblind]

138. CNN is saying that Hillary has the most to lose from the announcement.

The reasoning is that her voters are the less passionate ones and therefore less likely to turn out if they think it's a done deal in their favor.

Claiming Clinton did this is naive. She was still likely to win California even though it would be very close, but now she will likely lose California. And she isn't dumb. She knew that and that is why she was holding superdelegates etc back from announcing support.

[restorefreedom]

119. #nevereverhillary. ever.

its almost as if she is trying to lose.

[senz]

121. Just totally lacking in integrity and judgment.

There is something fundamentally wrong with her.

[Renew Deal]

177. I'd say that people posting "never Hillary"

lack integrity and judgement. Says more about them than her.

[jamese777]

142. She's bad at it...

Trying to lose that is, since she won.
Primaries popular vote as of June 6th
Hillary Clinton: 13,297,176 (55.4%)
Bernie Sanders: 10,247,986 (42.7%)

Clinton over Sanders: 2,999,190

Hillary Clinton: 1,811 pledged delegates
Bernie Sanders: 1,526 pledged delegates

Hillary Clinton: 548 Superdelegates
Bernie Sanders: 46 Superdelegates

Hillary Clinton: 2,359 total delegates
Bernie Sanders: 1,572 total delegates

Hillary Clinton: 29 contests won
Bernie Sanders: 21 contests won

Hillary Clinton needs 24 delegates.
Bernie Sanders needs 811 delegates.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016

[TheFarS1de]

122. You are not alone in your thoughts .

[senz]

123. Here are the delegate counts as of tonight.

To win the 2016 Democratic primary, a candidate must have 2,383 delegates.

As of June 6th, Hillary has 1,812 pledged delegates and Bernie has 1,526 pledged delegates. That's a difference of 286 delegates.

To reach 2,383 before the convention, Hillary would need 571 more pledged delegates and Bernie would need 857 more pledged delegates.

The states that vote tomorrow and the number of pledged delegates available from each:

CA -- 475
MT -- 21
NJ -- 126
NM -- 34
ND -- 18
SD -- 20

D.C. has 20 delegates and votes on June 14.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/

It is virtually impossible for either candidate to reach 2,383 pledged delegates from the remaining states. Therefore the superdelegate votes at the convention will decide the nomination.

The AP announced tonight that Hillary had "won," even though she hasn't. They made this announcement before the seven remaining primaries had been held. It will depress voter turnout and is an an act of sabotage.

[BootinUp]

129. Luckily, there are enough sane people to cover for you and prevent

a Trump Presidency.

[SmittynMo]

155. You think so?

Think again. 2 of the most distrusted politicians in the world? I don't see a problem with this.

[MFM008]

133. she didn't have a damn thing to do with it

The guy who is head of elections for NBC said it doesn't matter what the candidates want. They make the calls, confirm the super delegates and make the call. They have done it that way for 32 years and that's what they do period.
Like many other things facts don't matter to some in here.

[Number23]

140. God, I'll be glad when this forum goes bye bye.

It's been even more cringe-inducing than usual today.

[Enthusiast]

144. Kicked and recommended to the Max!

[pdsimdars]

148. I think I must have missed something. . . . Now what? What happened?

You never did say what that "last straw" was.

[Vinca]

151. You have to remember there are always winners and losers.

This is not a done deal. The key word is "presumptive." I'm a "presumptive" wealthy person. All I need is a lottery win. Chances are, Hillary is going to be the nominee no matter how much passion Bernie people have. But anything can happen. Nothing surprises me anymore in this election.

[LexVegas]

157. Get it out of your system. I predict a swallowing of your pride on the 16th. nt

[MaeScott]

167. Kicked

[NorthCarolina]

168. The two party lock on our Government is dying, and I say good riddance. -nt-

[wyldwolf]

169. Bernie followers

[Dem2]

171. "Trick"

The fact that 114 people would rec this nonsense shows how unrealistic people on the internet.

Your user ID is pure irony.

[okieinpain]

172. What I don't get is bernie supporters

Want to have a seat at the convention, but if you're not going to vote for Hillary why would would hillary waste time with letting bernie draft the platform.

[djean111]

178. I am a Bernie supporter, and I agree.

Anything Bernie got to put in the platform would just be ignored anyway.

[beachbum bob]

176. no trick...sanders had lost this a month ago....only fooling yourself with your ego

same problem bernie has...

[Marrah_G]

182. So do I

I am tired of this bullshit.

[Lodestar]

185. These days they barely try to hide their bias...

so confident in their power.

[snort]

186. 36 years has been enough

of the old 'party unity' for me.

No worries about the door hitting my ass on the way out, I'm going to pull the motherfucker off its hinges.

[Triana]

188. Berniecrats are not going away. Their numbers are YUUUUGE.

The Dem Establishment/Oligarchy can court them - or become a much smaller less influential party with a minority of supporters vs 'unaffiliated' or 'independent'.

People are getting sick of this crap.

I hope Bernie Sanders sticks around a LONG time after this election to be a foil and a thorn in the side of the 1960s Republicans we now call "Democrats" - to remind them what ACTUAL Democratic principles are. Because they lost sight of them about 40 or so years ago. And the Clintons were part and parcel of that process.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

191. Please see my post above, # 106.

About what a New Deal Democrat is and how long it's been since anybody has seen one.

I agree.

[tritsofme]

190. LOL! How dare she have the nerve to win! You've interrupted my whining!

[Seeinghope]

192. She didn't beat Bernie Sanders by much. Considering that she had all of the Super Delegates

lined up 10 months before the 1st vote was placed circumvents the purpose for Super delegates, but hey who cares about what is ethical.

She had a worldwide recognisable name. Again before the 1st vote was cast she probably had 3 million supporters ready to vote. Her opponents were unknowns. The DNC was totally biased for Hillary Clinton. The media blacked out Bernie Sanders. The debates were strategically scheduled for viewing times that would get the least attention. Hillary Clinton had everything laid out for her. The shenanigans during the Primaries were just more examples of the help Hillary Clinton needed. The fact that after all of this Bernie Sanders "the unknown" got this close really says a lot about how weak Hillary Clinton is as a candidate.

The final Shenanigan was calling Hillary Clinton the Presumptive Nominee for the Democrats the day before the California..New Jersey.... Suppressing votes

This is plain bullshit and uncalled for, but then again much about Hillary Clinton has been b.s. And uncalled for.

[RufusTFirefly]

193. Gamed the system every step of the way...

... and yet still have the audacity to gloat about it.

Clinton was given every possible advantage, and yet it's still been a horse race.

It takes a special kind of candidate to blow that kind of lead.

[emsimon33]

194. K&R "Never...

[midnight]

195. Is this the last trick at this link?

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-trailguide-clinton-money-email-uses-images-labeled-1465266744-htmlstory.html

[MohRokTah]

198. BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

[kcdoug1]

201. yep

after Bill Clinton's don't ask don't tell betrayal and Hillary screwing up the whole health care reform thing.... I will NEVER trust or vote for a Clinton again..

[snot]

203. I have honestly never felt so sickened,

I mean literally nauseated, by any election before. The extent of the dirty tricks and bold-faced lies, eagerly abetted by the media, has shocked even me.

[Doremus]

207. This. nt

[RBInMaine]

208. You need a psychiatrist.