2016 Postmortem
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Superdelegates are bad, but they used to be good, and they'll be good again if they vote for him at the Convention.BY JACK HOLMES
Bernie Sanders doesn't like superdelegates. Neither do members of Bernie's staff, nor Bernie's legions of supporters. Superdelegates are unelected, unaccountable, undemocratic. These party elites, who get to vote however they want, shouldn't be counted in assessments of the Democratic primary race. Superdelegates "don't count until they vote, and they don't vote until we get to the convention," Bernie's campaign manager, Jeff Weaver, said on CNN last month.
But, as The Hill reminds us, Sanders didn't always sing the same tune. On June 5, 2008two days after the last state voted, but before Hillary Clinton dropped outSanders pledged his support to then-Senator Barack Obama in an interview with The Burlington Free-Press. The Vermont senator had customarily held off endorsing anyone, the paper explained, until the party had chosen a nominee.
Except that Obama was not yet the nominee.
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a45267/bernie-sanders-superdelegates/
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Its not just Sanders or his handlers and mouthpieces either.
Where is the outrage among his followers over this naked attempt to overturn the democratic vote of the people?
Armstead
(47,803 posts)He's trying to change minds of Superdelegates.
In 2008 he chose to endorse Obama at the ending of the primary as an SD.
Clinton was certainly entitled to try and convince him to change his mind.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)He doesn't like Superdelagates and woiuld prefer they not be the determining factor in presidential primaries.
But they are a reality in the process. If he is trying to win the nomination he has to work with that reality.
What's hypocritical about that?
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)that supers were evil tools of the Oligarchy! Anti-democratic! The masters of Wall-Street, corporate whores!! Against the peoples will!!! Should be illegal!
And now Bernie runs to those very same people, begging them to overturn the will of millions of people and install him as the democratic nominee!
Damn!
A naked play for power against the will of the people with the supers he has condemned for months!
What a joke!
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Bernie is a politician. He is working with the system as it exists.
If it wasn't Bernie you'd simply think of it as pragmatic politics.
I love the Catch 22. Damned if he does , damned if he doesn't.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)Bernie is saying we can't count superdelegates yet because they could change their minds at some point before the convention. But we should undemocratically hand him the nomination based on poll numbers, even though voters can change their minds before the election.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)But you know, like the speeches and taxes, it's like whatever he thinks the rules should be are crammed down our throats. Nope.
Raster
(20,998 posts)He just endorsed at that time. Sanders had the option to change his vote at any time. Weaver is 100% correct: "Superdelegates don't count until they vote, and they don't vote until we get to the convention."
Sorry, the M$M made it clear that Clinton has the delegates to be the nominee, which is false. She does not. She does NOT have the correct number of outright pledged delegates, AND WILL NOT HAVE THE PLEDGED DELEGATES even after today's primaries. This will need to be decided at the convention. Super delegates cannot pledge, they may endorse, WHICH IS NOT BINDING.
msongs
(67,405 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)I think the goal is to do maximum damage to the democratic nominee and the party.
ancianita
(36,053 posts)adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.
With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall.
Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what to-morrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said to-day.
'Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood.'
Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh.
To be great is to be misunderstood.
― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self Reliance
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Glad to see Sanders and his followers admit they have no problems throwing out everything they claimed to stand for a few short weeks ago.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)Doesn't matter why....and takes class and grace to accept the final score...it's over for them. Nothing will change
dmosh42
(2,217 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)"lust for power" that has deprived her of all humanity and might not even be healed by "years of therapy" and then declaring that person to be the best thing since pb&j.
But not quite.