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Triana

(22,666 posts)
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 02:59 PM Jun 2016

And here we have it. Alan Fram at @AP solicited SDs yesterday.



https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/740252636025348096

KING: Hillary Clinton did not win the Democratic Primary, she won a secret survey of party elites

On Monday, on the eve of the most important day in the primary, on a day where not a single vote was cast, Hillary Clinton was surprisingly declared the winner of the Democratic Primary.

Tuesday was scheduled to be the single biggest day of the entire Democratic Primary season with a total of 694 pledged delegates up for grabs in California, New Jersey, North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, and New Mexico.

In the past 45 days alone, more than 650,000 new voters registered in California and the state announced that with 72% of available voters registered, it was the highest percentage of people ever registered for primaries in the state.

This should have been a celebration for the Democratic Party as it welcomed record numbers of new voters into the fold. Instead, something far more nefarious and underhanded has happened. New voters didn't put Hillary Clinton over the top. Pledged delegates didn't seal the deal. It wasn't a recount of a primary or caucus.


LINK
: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/king-hillary-clinton-not-won-democratic-primary-article-1.2664569
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And here we have it. Alan Fram at @AP solicited SDs yesterday. (Original Post) Triana Jun 2016 OP
OMG! The AP actually contacted people?? How dare they! randome Jun 2016 #1
Essentially they conducted a poll the day before the election... Bob41213 Jun 2016 #12
Wrong. They published a story that said she is the presumptive nominee, which is true. randome Jun 2016 #18
"Day before the election" alcibiades_mystery Jun 2016 #29
AP does it every election. Not exactly the scoop of the year here... n/t Lucinda Jun 2016 #2
Do you have any links to previous years SD Surveys? notadmblnd Jun 2016 #9
The AP archives beta isn't running anymore, but if you have a real interest Lucinda Jun 2016 #21
I didn't think so. notadmblnd Jun 2016 #23
As I expected...you didn't really want the info. n/t Lucinda Jun 2016 #24
No, I wanted to know if you could back up what you said notadmblnd Jun 2016 #27
bernie is losing. that's what the story says. oh well nice try nt msongs Jun 2016 #34
You make no sense at all notadmblnd Jun 2016 #38
Hillary supporters are logic-challenged. [n/t] Maedhros Jun 2016 #37
yes, this is what the AP story said they did. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #3
Now you are opposed to journalism? WTF. nt. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #4
That's what reporters do. greatauntoftriplets Jun 2016 #5
"We're rounding up superdelegates"... ljm2002 Jun 2016 #22
Don't cha know? Reporters don't report the news, they make it. notadmblnd Jun 2016 #25
On the eve of the largest state in the country voting? Yeah. Nothing suspicious HERE.. AzDar Jun 2016 #6
Exactly. n/t Triana Jun 2016 #8
This isn't voter suppression anigbrowl Jun 2016 #15
I think that some people are under the assumption that California went last in 2008 as well. NWCorona Jun 2016 #16
bernie keeps saying HE will win and IS the winner. sounds like voter suppression attempt to me t msongs Jun 2016 #35
Yes? What's your point? The Elections Chief at NBC explained that they regularly Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #7
**** after each new round of primary elections **** Triana Jun 2016 #11
Hellloooo? VI and PR had just voted. NBC resurveyed, as per procedure. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #14
Are the voters in the Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico not people in your eyes? anigbrowl Jun 2016 #17
WAIT. Are you saying a reporter....called someone1?! PepperHarlan Jun 2016 #10
hahaha Cali_Democrat Jun 2016 #28
Oh noes!!! Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2016 #13
It's what they do...nothing unique for 2016 as you try to imply Sheepshank Jun 2016 #19
Pretty f'n slick RobertEarl Jun 2016 #20
Has there been any word from CA? Is this lie working? jwirr Jun 2016 #30
In 2000 the news did it for FL calling it for Bush before most of votes where even done. TimPlo Jun 2016 #31
Yes, it's a ploy from Bush v. Gore grasswire Jun 2016 #32
Aren't these the same party elites Bernie is relying on to hand him the nomination, even if behind alcibiades_mystery Jun 2016 #26
The superdelegates who will install Clinton in fifty days ... Optimism Jun 2016 #33
How DARE they leftynyc Jun 2016 #39
round up? like a herd? fuck me running that is some funny shit right there. Hiraeth Jun 2016 #36
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
1. OMG! The AP actually contacted people?? How dare they!
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:01 PM
Jun 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

Bob41213

(491 posts)
12. Essentially they conducted a poll the day before the election...
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:11 PM
Jun 2016

And published a story that said the election is over, Hillary won. Using a poll to declare the election a day before the last vote? That's not a bit disingenuous?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
18. Wrong. They published a story that said she is the presumptive nominee, which is true.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:18 PM
Jun 2016

And they have been in contact with the superdelegates -so I would imagine- ever since the Primary began.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
29. "Day before the election"
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:41 PM
Jun 2016

The election has been going on for months. There was an election in Puerto Rico the day before they made these contacts.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
21. The AP archives beta isn't running anymore, but if you have a real interest
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:31 PM
Jun 2016

I'm sure you can search election by election and find them. Or call them.

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
6. On the eve of the largest state in the country voting? Yeah. Nothing suspicious HERE..
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:05 PM
Jun 2016



VOTER SUPPRESSION IN ANY FORM IS SHAMEFUL

Hard to believe anyone on DU supports this shit...
 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
15. This isn't voter suppression
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:17 PM
Jun 2016

there was new information from the virgin Islands and Puerto Rico Primaries. That's a perfectly good reason to canvass uncommitted superdelegates and see if any of them have come to a decision. You're basically saying the press should stop working until everyone has voted, because you don't trust people to show up if they have access to information that might demotivate them.

msongs

(67,401 posts)
35. bernie keeps saying HE will win and IS the winner. sounds like voter suppression attempt to me t
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 04:07 PM
Jun 2016
 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
7. Yes? What's your point? The Elections Chief at NBC explained that they regularly
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:07 PM
Jun 2016

contact and survey the uncommitted delegates after each new round of primary elections, in order to determine if anything has changed and to update their data.

After the VI and PR results last weekend, some surveyed supers had made a move and NBC reported it, but ONLY after AP broke the story first.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1107159091

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
17. Are the voters in the Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico not people in your eyes?
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:18 PM
Jun 2016

Why should their votes be ignored just because they favored a candidate you oppose?

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
13. Oh noes!!!
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:12 PM
Jun 2016

Journalists who investigate things? Preposterous!

So many people here act like this is the first election cycle they've been through.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
19. It's what they do...nothing unique for 2016 as you try to imply
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:23 PM
Jun 2016

implying something is different, is no better than lying about it.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
20. Pretty f'n slick
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:27 PM
Jun 2016

WE WON!!

It's an old ploy. Declare victory before the game is over.

They have been doing it from day one, so it is no surprise. Only this time they got a major news org to out themselves as spokes people. Master stroke!!

I have a feeling that the numbers from California are looking so bad for H that this preemptive strike had to be done to counter the awful news about to come.

Problem is: it doesn't really end for another 50 days. Long time in politics.

 

TimPlo

(443 posts)
31. In 2000 the news did it for FL calling it for Bush before most of votes where even done.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:43 PM
Jun 2016

It was found to have a impact on the election but so what I guess. I guess Clinton supporters where happy with Bush 8 years in office as they don't seem to care about media calling elections early.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
32. Yes, it's a ploy from Bush v. Gore
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:45 PM
Jun 2016

A great effort was made in the days of the 2000 recount to establish Bush as the winner. It was an enormous PR offensive.

HRC has used the same tactic already in this campaign to establish her image as the winner before events warrant such determination.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
26. Aren't these the same party elites Bernie is relying on to hand him the nomination, even if behind
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:40 PM
Jun 2016

in pledged delegates?

Make up your mind, Berniecrats? Are the Superdelegates good or bad today?

Maybe I should be more specific: are they good or bad at this particular hour?

Incoherent piffle.

Optimism

(142 posts)
33. The superdelegates who will install Clinton in fifty days ...
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:58 PM
Jun 2016

... DESPITE all her many, many negatives and atrocious poll numbers will have President Trump on their very own consciences.

But then again, he's likely less of a military hawk than Hillary, so I guess that's the silver lining?

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
39. How DARE they
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 04:54 PM
Jun 2016

give their vote to the winner of the pledged delegate race as well as the popular vote. DAMN THEM TO HELL!!!

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