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Triana

(22,666 posts)
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:04 PM Jun 2016

Hillary Clinton did not win the Democratic Primary, she won a secret survey of party elites

KING: Hillary Clinton did not win the Democratic Primary, she won a secret survey of party elites

On Monday, on the eve of the most important day in the primary, on a day where not a single vote was cast, Hillary Clinton was surprisingly declared the winner of the Democratic Primary.

Tuesday was scheduled to be the single biggest day of the entire Democratic Primary season with a total of 694 pledged delegates up for grabs in California, New Jersey, North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, and New Mexico.

In the past 45 days alone, more than 650,000 new voters registered in California and the state announced that with 72% of available voters registered, it was the highest percentage of people ever registered for primaries in the state.

This should have been a celebration for the Democratic Party as it welcomed record numbers of new voters into the fold. Instead, something far more nefarious and underhanded has happened. New voters didn't put Hillary Clinton over the top. Pledged delegates didn't seal the deal. It wasn't a recount of a primary or caucus.


LINK: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/king-hillary-clinton-not-won-democratic-primary-article-1.2664569
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Hillary Clinton did not win the Democratic Primary, she won a secret survey of party elites (Original Post) Triana Jun 2016 OP
LOL Secret survey? The AP calls supers every election. We know WHO they all are. Lucinda Jun 2016 #1
And they're SO unethical and stupid they couldn't wait ONE MORE DAY Triana Jun 2016 #5
So we are falling back on the union argument? NCTraveler Jun 2016 #2
You do know that presumptive nominee does not equal official nominee right? qdouble Jun 2016 #3
Duh. But it means everyone starts acknowledging the reality geek tragedy Jun 2016 #7
Oh I know, just stating that the disenfranchisement arguments from BS supporters are silly qdouble Jun 2016 #10
oh, the crooked thing called math comment was snark. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #13
It's not about delegate math. It's about giving PEOPLE / VOTERS a chance to vote Triana Jun 2016 #8
They called the republican race before Trump had the magic number, that's how the media works. qdouble Jun 2016 #14
Today's elections weren't cancelled. There is as much reason for Sanders to vote as there was before onenote Jun 2016 #15
so King will be celebrating tonight when Clinton wins the primary? nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #4
It was totally rigged by Sanders' people. This is only going to help him since it motivated his eastwestdem Jun 2016 #6
Survey says?! NurseJackie Jun 2016 #9
Secret survey? What was secret about it? If it would have been secret we wouldn't know the results yellowcanine Jun 2016 #11
The only place I've read that Hillary won the Democratic Nomination is from this repeated article Sheepshank Jun 2016 #12
Once again King proves he's an idiot mythology Jun 2016 #16
dear Bernienistas - I voted in a secret survey, did YOU? its called a ballot lololol nt msongs Jun 2016 #17

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
1. LOL Secret survey? The AP calls supers every election. We know WHO they all are.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:09 PM
Jun 2016

It totally sucks that they jumped the gun and didn't let things play out tonight...but there is nothing subversive here. They did the same thing to the GOP when they announced Trump on a day with no election going on. It's what they do.

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
5. And they're SO unethical and stupid they couldn't wait ONE MORE DAY
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:14 PM
Jun 2016

until this next round of primaries is over?



No. I don't buy it.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
2. So we are falling back on the union argument?
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:13 PM
Jun 2016

It wasn't the union it was the elites? People keep making these arguments all while losing. Losing by way of the vote, not the elite.

Leads in the popular vote. Leads in pledged delegates. Leads in supers. You yell elitism.

She won the primary.

qdouble

(891 posts)
3. You do know that presumptive nominee does not equal official nominee right?
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:13 PM
Jun 2016

Just because the AP called it (based on a crooked little thing called math) it doesn't mean that the polls are closed or that the rest of the process stops right?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
7. Duh. But it means everyone starts acknowledging the reality
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:14 PM
Jun 2016

that we know who the official nominee will be, and stop pretending that there is an active contest after June 14 at the latest.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
13. oh, the crooked thing called math comment was snark.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:20 PM
Jun 2016

you never know with the Shaun King types out and about

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
8. It's not about delegate math. It's about giving PEOPLE / VOTERS a chance to vote
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:16 PM
Jun 2016

first before jumping the gun. That smacks of total lack of ethics. It's disrespectful of hundreds of thousands of voters, serves to suppress their votes when they're told there's already a winner before the round of primaries - esp including a huge state like CA - is over.

Nope. This is not "the usual procedure". They jumped the gun.

qdouble

(891 posts)
14. They called the republican race before Trump had the magic number, that's how the media works.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:24 PM
Jun 2016

Sure Sanders could have possibly won every remaining state with 80% of the vote... but we all know there's a much better chance of winning the lottery twice than that ever occurring. When there's a state election and the new stations call it with only 10% of the vote counted because they can see the trend, is it possible that all the remaining votes will overturn it? Sure, it's possible. But the forecast models put the chance to near zero.

The facts are, new stations count super delegates as soon as they declare who they are voting for. They always have. Sanders and his supporters wants the world to work differently, just for them. Sooner or later you're going to have to face reality, either now or July 25th. The reality will still be that Hillary Clinton will be the democratic nominee.

onenote

(42,700 posts)
15. Today's elections weren't cancelled. There is as much reason for Sanders to vote as there was before
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:26 PM
Jun 2016

last night.

Sanders has said he's not quitting. He's following the same strategy he laid out before yesterday. Protest the proclamation of Cilnton as the nominee prior to the convention. Try to win big on June 7 to cut into Clinton's pledged delegate and popular vote lead and use those results, particularly CA, together with GE polls, to convince SDs to switch support from Clinton to him.

That strategy depended on Sanders supporters coming out for him today even though it was widely reported over the weekend that, with the results from the VI and PR, Clinton would become the presumptive nomine as soon as the results were reported in NJ. But for some reason, Sanders supporters have turned into quitters, indicating that their fellow supporters won't come out now -- even though Sanders has said he's forging ahead with the same strategy he had before yesterday.

No one is preventing anyone from voting. If Sanders supporters stay home today, that's on them and no one else.

 

eastwestdem

(1,220 posts)
6. It was totally rigged by Sanders' people. This is only going to help him since it motivated his
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:14 PM
Jun 2016

supporters to a high degree, while Hillary's supporters are thinking that she's already won.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
12. The only place I've read that Hillary won the Democratic Nomination is from this repeated article
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:20 PM
Jun 2016

bad form to spread the lie

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
16. Once again King proves he's an idiot
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:31 PM
Jun 2016

Clinton has, is and will be the winner of the pledged delegates. Today isn't the most important day of the primary by any useful measure.

The proportional allocation means that the further in the process, the harder it is to come back.

The most important days were Super Tuesday and March 15th. By not being at parity with Clinton then, Sanders put him in a position where he couldn't catch up.

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