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democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 09:32 PM Jun 2016

Why such disparity between the Dakotas?

At the time of this post, Hillary is up 54-46 in South Dakota, whereas Bernie is up 62-30 in North Dakota. Why such disparity between what I understand to be two relatively politically similar states? Is one a primary and one a caucus?

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Why such disparity between the Dakotas? (Original Post) democrattotheend Jun 2016 OP
One is a caucus and one is a primary. hrmjustin Jun 2016 #1
Yes, North Dakota is a caucus. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #2
clinton is probably not going to win SD either Fresh_Start Jun 2016 #3
What's the biggest county in SD??? woolldog Jun 2016 #8
minnihaha...sioux falls area Fresh_Start Jun 2016 #10
Tks. How do you know Bernie is going to win it big? woolldog Jun 2016 #12
I've been talking a lot to people in that area....but it looks like Fresh_Start Jun 2016 #28
NBC just called it for Clinton... brooklynite Jun 2016 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author lunamagica Jun 2016 #4
Also, there is a much higher percentage of Native Americans in South Dakota. nt eastwestdem Jun 2016 #5
Hasn't Bernie done well with Native Americans? democrattotheend Jun 2016 #6
He won the Alaska Native vote in the caucus here, too. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #11
Bernie won the SD counties where the large reservations are located, and probably won the Zorra Jun 2016 #25
Looks like Bernie took the Sisseton Rez area in the NE corner of the state, too. Zorra Jun 2016 #26
Undemocratic caucases. joshcryer Jun 2016 #7
In 2008 they were 3 months apart democrattotheend Jun 2016 #9
One is a primary PepperHarlan Jun 2016 #13
That's easy. One Dakota is in the South. Says so right in it's name notadmblnd Jun 2016 #14
lol Hiraeth Jun 2016 #18
Bernie wins caucuses and HRC wins primaries. book_worm Jun 2016 #15
Democracy = Hillary Anti-Democray = Bernie itsrobert Jun 2016 #16
Rude ALBliberal Jun 2016 #23
Oil larkrake Jun 2016 #17
Exactly. ancianita Jun 2016 #19
No. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #20
I reside in SD and do not get it Jackilope Jun 2016 #21
As with WA, this really highlights the difference between caucuses and primaries. Garrett78 Jun 2016 #22
Primary vs. Caucus oberliner Jun 2016 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife Jun 2016 #27

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
3. clinton is probably not going to win SD either
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 09:34 PM
Jun 2016

the biggest county is going for sanders...and its big enough to wipe out clinton's lead

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
28. I've been talking a lot to people in that area....but it looks like
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 11:54 PM
Jun 2016

the people I've been talking to might not have had a good understanding.
Last time I looked, CLinton had a small lead.

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democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
6. Hasn't Bernie done well with Native Americans?
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 09:36 PM
Jun 2016

I thought he won them in Minnesota and at least one other state where they were large enough to be in the exit poll.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
11. He won the Alaska Native vote in the caucus here, too.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 09:40 PM
Jun 2016

Would have won it in a primary, for that matter.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
25. Bernie won the SD counties where the large reservations are located, and probably won the
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 11:18 PM
Jun 2016

Yankton Rez vote as well, although he lost the counties where the Yankton Rez is located.

There are a few small reservations in the Eastern part of the state where Clinton won, but the population numbers of these reservations are pretty low NA vote was easily overridden by the white vote in those areas.

Bernie won the Pine Ridge, Rosebud, Cheyenne River, Standing Rock, and Black Hills Rez areas. I reckon these reservations make up about 90% of the entire NA reservation population of South Dakota.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
9. In 2008 they were 3 months apart
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 09:38 PM
Jun 2016

But yeah, the primary v. caucus distinction makes sense, especially when the winner of the primary has already been called. Caucus voters are more likely to take action to have their voices heard despite being told it's over

 

PepperHarlan

(124 posts)
13. One is a primary
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 09:44 PM
Jun 2016

The other uses an undemocratic caucus system that is more for activists than rank and file voters.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
14. That's easy. One Dakota is in the South. Says so right in it's name
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 09:52 PM
Jun 2016

And we all know Hillary wins the southern states. At least in the Democratic Primaries, she does.

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
20. No.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 10:19 PM
Jun 2016

The oil is a relatively new development - it wasn't discovered until 2006 and wasn't at full capacity until 2012.

The same split happened in 2008. ND has a caucus. SD has a primary. That's the main difference.

Jackilope

(819 posts)
21. I reside in SD and do not get it
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 10:27 PM
Jun 2016

Bernie came to SD and reached out to us. He is only candidate that addressed and related to Native American people and issues. He attracted over 4000 in Sioux Falls alone. Bill got 300. East River is more progressive than West River.

There are times I truly dislike the political make up of my state.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
22. As with WA, this really highlights the difference between caucuses and primaries.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 10:32 PM
Jun 2016

Caucuses suppress the vote in a big way. But without caucuses, Clinton would have been the presumptive nominee long before last night.

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