2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum"Bernie Sanders is taking a big risk: If he doesn’t drop out soon, he could become a villain"
Even Hillary did not have the ambition and ego being displayed by Bernie tonight. Even Ted Cruz accepted the reality that he would not be able to wrest the Republican nomination from Donald Trump. But not Bernie. Instead, despite an insurmountable deficit in pledged delegates and the popular vote, Bernie is proposing to take his fight for the nomination to the convention. And the only justification is that he might be able to convince superdelegates to ignore the will of the voters and hand him the nomination. This is an act of political narcissism that even Donald Trump could appreciate. Thus, rather than unify the Democratic party for the fight it will have, or admitting that Hillary is indeed the presumptive nominee, Bernie is going to continue the charade that his campaign has now become.
http://www.salon.com/2016/06/07/bernie_sanders_is_taking_a_big_risk_if_he_doesnt_drop_out_soon_he_could_become_a_villain/
The very notion that Bernie and his surrogates continue to behave as if the superdelegates are still in play is the beginning of the end of Bernies reputation, even with some of his supporters, including online journalists who are disavowing their support.
There was a time when we could look to Bernie as the conscience of the left. Today, however, his moral high ground position is rapidly evaporating. Among other reasons, Bernie and his people have been deliberately swindling the public about delegate math and the alleged fluidity of superdelegates for weeks now and, in the past several days, the deception has grown thicker than ever. (Bernie told the National Press Club, for example, that a majority of pledged delegates is 2,383, even though its actually 2,026.) The Bernie campaign is telling us that somehow the superdelegates, who have affirmed their support to networks and publications of record, will, for the first time ever, inexplicably abandon the winner of a majority of pledged delegates and the winner of the popular vote for a relatively untested democratic-socialist because why? California? May polling for the November election? Rally attendance?
This is like cajoling a homeowner to sell a house to a buyer who doesnt have the money, but who just really, really, really wants it, and all their friends say they deserve to own it. Indeed, suggesting that supers dont count because they havent officially voted at the convention is like announcing that you havent eaten lunch until youve fully digested it. Its like hearing from contrarian wonks who wait for the electoral college to hold its ceremonial votes in December before acknowledging the obvious winner of the November election.
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Heres a man whos entire brand is about being a man-of-the-people, and hes hinting today that hes okay with begging superdelegates participants in an allegedly undemocratic system he claims to despise to entirely overrule the peoples choice. In other words, Bernie wants to exploit the evil establishment system hes been attempting to destroy, using $208 million in individual donations, in order to defy the clear choice of Democratic voters. Because Rasmussen in May?
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)He talked about Obama and Clinton in a positive light.
He talked about fighting Trump as first goal and transforming America for the better as the ultimate goal.
He's setting the stage for conceding to HRC.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Give him a week or two.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)So you should probably decide whether you'd rather sit around and nurse an endless series of grievances, or do whatever is in your power to unify our party for November.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)The same kind of crap that Bush put on Gore.
"Don't be a sore loserman!!"
They stood outside the VP mansion and hollered "Get out of Cheney's house!!" and beat on pots and pans.
Is that next here?
The lesson from Bush v. Gore was "Never give up fighting."
Valid here, too.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Bernie would be the Bush in that scenario since he's the one trying to steal an election.
pat_k
(9,313 posts)...what Sanders decides. He's said he'll be considering next steps in the next couple days. According to MSNBC he meets with Obama Thursday.
Stop with all the angst about what he will or won't do.
Just wait and see what he does.
You can applaud, or complain, or whatever, then.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)... etc.
He wants to be a villain to the powerful.
He cares about keeping the respect of the movement that carried him that far. He will gauge what we want him to do.
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)You nailed it. That is the Bernie we know and support.
KPN
(15,643 posts)WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)We learned that the process of picking nominees! is disgracefully flawed, one a made for TV and pollsters. The Democratic primary should be a single, open primary held in one day in the first week of June. No caucuses, no closed primaries, no delegate counting along the way, no Superdelegates, no demanding a candidate to get out before all Americans get to vote because they're behind on the scoreboard. And certainly, I should never have heard of the troll Nate Silver. For these reasons, to expose the process as dysfunction and media, corporate, and pollster driven, Bernie is absolutely right to take this all the way to the primary.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)Chris Matthews et al at MSNBC were super trolls, to. But I never should have, and never would have, heard of Nate Silver for the reasons that escape you and +90% of Americans, those who like to be told what to think by corporate media talking heads.
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)*hackery
Not just obvious to me, those were pretty much his own words.
No MATH, TROLL
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)narrative because that's all these people -- pollsters and talking heads want to do -- tell you what to think and when to be outraged. But it's completely lost on you people, and that's why we know Nate Silver's name.
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)So, yeah, sure. He's a villain now. Why not?
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)Bernie has taken on the establishment and really shaken things up. He has been able to bring to national focus issues that would otherwise be discussed. Bernie has brought a ton of new voters into the party. Okay then he is a villain, a beloved villain to many of us.
Long live the villain!!
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KPN
(15,643 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)It's hard to pivot from all-in "we're gonna win" to conceding and endorsing the winner. Give him a little room, and his followers a chance to express some grief.
metroins
(2,550 posts)This was over in March, the Sanders campaign saw the writing at least last week.
He should have pivoted a week or two ago and conceded last night.
It's not like last night was news.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)Meanwhile most of America likes him, see favorability numbers.
Hillary outside the tiny Dem bubble is loathed and hated by the majority of American's.
That is reality.
metroins
(2,550 posts)Not enough Democrats like him.
She beat Bernie and Trump in popular vote.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Insisting that he's entitled to win when he lost is to going to play well.
That Guy 888
(1,214 posts)umm... No. Clinton is all about ego, and apparently projection.
KPN
(15,643 posts)That line's a crock if there ever was one. Bernie is pretty much ego-less -- it's not about him -- which is why he can make a stand and continues to stand against a corrupt system. Whereas Hillary did the calculus and determined it was in her best interests to be a team player and go along. Two different animals.
jzodda
(2,124 posts)Lets see what happens after that meeting. It will happen most likely after DC.
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)Faux pas
(14,672 posts)when I think of villains I think of the ones who voted for war, kiss wall street ass, think fracking is a good thing and is willing to put Soc Sec on the table (or give it to wall street). Bernie surely ain't one of those.
Not to mention deem TPP the gold standard of trade agreements, and changing tunes with the wind.
Sivart
(325 posts)And I think this should be obvious. I think it should also be obvious that Sanders doesn't give two shits what pundits think about his "brand."
And I don't really see how he can be faulted for wanting to try to use the super delegates for the purpose they are there for - to over turn the results if it is for the good of the party and/or election......which I believe he believes applies in this case.
But at any rate, if the establishment decides he is a villain, and many already have, I don't think it bothers him or those that support him one bit.
It doesn't bother me.
He's been called worse at this site.
But the other side doesn't get it or doesn't care.
jillan
(39,451 posts)No one gives a crap.