2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSanders' Campaign Personnel Joining Clinton Team
There are many supporters of Bernie Sanders who feel devastated by his loss to Secretary Clinton in the Democratic Presidential Primaries. Respectfully, other progressives should give them ample time to grieve and come to grips with the reality that she is the nominee.
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Hillary Clinton's organization is wise to welcome the addition of several of Bernie Sanders' fine campaign organizers who have vowed to fight as hard as Hillary to stop a Trump Presidency. The Sanders staffers have done incredible work by mobilizing and energizing new, younger voters. Nevermind the obvious fact that they need jobs too, these talented political operatives are bringing some much-needed enhancements to the outreach efforts of the Clinton Campaign.
http://crooksandliars.com/2016/06/sanders-campaign-personnel-unite-clinton
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)It was the unpaid volunteers and I doubt you can pull many of them in. And Bernie himself but I don't think he will be holding yuuuuge rallies for Clinton.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)And he certainly won't these days.
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)You typed that with a straight face?
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)as your behind a computer and not a vehicle then go for it.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)That's what I thought when I saw your comment.
lancer78
(1,495 posts)If Sanders generated more enthusiasm than Obama, shouldn't he have beaten HRC like Obama did in 2008?
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)That is, after all, where he spent a large chunk of his money. Those massive rallies didn't just happen; they were coordinated as a type of photo op to lend credence to a narrative that Bernie was drawing more support than he was based on voting patterns.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Not sure of the count difference in primaries and caucuses. Obama also brought out very impressive crowds.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)But it really would be nice for Hillary if she can arrange to have a few larger-sized rallies leading up to this falls elections. Not that huge/large crowds are the end all and be all, because Hillary was keen on smaller more intimate gatherings and she did just FINE with smaller and intimate gatherings.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)She didn't come close to losing to Sen. Sanders. Sen. Sanders from the very beginning put himself in a hole by NOT taking the Southern region of the country as seriously as he should have. He made the comment that the south was too conservative? Hillary built up a nice delegate lead from all of those Southern states she won and essentially never looked back. Hopefully this fall, she can translate primary wins in Florida and Virginia into GE wins. Also, Hillary did better in larger states where having an organized ground game. Last time in 2008, her ground game/GOTV game wasn't as coordinated at Sen. Obama's was. But like I said THIS time around her ground game was much more improved from 2008. Now, from all I'm reading from the various news articles behind the scenes interviews (And I'm not inclined to believe everything in every article I read), many workers within Sanders camp said that they thought their ground game could have been better organized, and many hinted that they didn't think that their camp had enough infrastructure to mount big enough challenges to the Clinton campaign in certain states. Then there was the issue of some voters (I) who didn't know that they had to re-register as Dems by a certain time frame so they could vote for Bernie Sanders come primary voting time. Many said they were disenfranchised, but honestly as a voter it's up to you to know the rules of the way your state votes (And, no, I'm not talking about those voters whose names were wiped off the voting roles in NY. Last I heard/read, a GOP clerk was found to be responsible and suspended without pay pending investigation for wiping thousands of eligible voters off the voting rolls in NY).
In many ways, Bernie's campaign strategy in 2016 looked very much like Hillary's in 2008 when then Sen. Obama took down the "Clinton Machine." Hillary was bound and determined to NOT make the same mistakes she'd made in 2008, this time around and she didn't. I live here in California, and let me tell you, Hillary's ground game here was still pretty much in place from 2008.
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)This Southern states theory gets thrown out here. A choice had to be made. Burn through the rest of the money in an area that was a potential lost cause, or try and win OH, MI, NY, IL, PA, NJ and CA. He failed. But would have failed worse had he done what you suggested and dedicated time and money to the South. Its about winning, not covering the map.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Last edited Sat Jun 11, 2016, 02:46 AM - Edit history (1)
It's the demographics. If you don't compete in the southern states, you don't have much chance of winning in other states with a high percentage of POC. And that's precisely why it was so clear by mid-March that the race was essentially over. If not for caucuses, which suppress the vote, it wouldn't have been remotely close.
LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)He made the choice to not compete there in the South (One reason he gave--too conservative) and was behind from the start, and never was going to catch up, especially given how successful Hillary was in the states where she pulled large delegate counts--the states you mentioned.
lancer78
(1,495 posts)dis of Sanders hurt him a lot. But I thought Sanders had raised as much money as Clinton?
Recursion
(56,582 posts)in 2008.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)But a ton of volunteers can often be more of a hindrance to a campaign than a benefit (and frankly the Sanders campaign walked that line pretty closely from what I saw). Some of their pro staff was amazing, but there were also some buffoons, unfortunately, and it showed. Hopefully the Clinton campaign will be selective...
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)OK.
hedda_foil
(16,373 posts)Last edited Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:28 AM - Edit history (1)
Fortunately for you, there are always emojis to more fully communicate your meaning.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
hedda_foil
(16,373 posts)Thanks.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)That makes much more sense...
hedda_foil
(16,373 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)ancianita
(36,053 posts)When Hillary actually gets writers of speeches and policy on her staff and FIRES Debbie, THEN I will believe she's making efforts toward turning Left and unifying the progressives.
okasha
(11,573 posts)or whoever kept xeroxing it for him.
ancianita
(36,053 posts)But they sound like a platitude attitude. Not much feeling in them. Still, there is that.
A unity that brings confidence to a major wing of voters means major concessions from both wings of voters.
With 46% of the delegates, there's more than one Berner to take into the Hiller campaign.
No concessions, then no support. Not a good way to face a pathological liar and dictatorial lunatic.
okasha
(11,573 posts)endlessly repeated speech sound like "platitude attitude," it's because they were platitudes when Sanders used them.
He'll get some "concessions," but his ultimate influence will be minimal unless he supports our elected nominees like he means it.
ancianita
(36,053 posts)governance, and from being the "amendment king" of hundreds of bills voted into law.
I am interested to know, though, since you're a Hill supporter, what concessions you think she and advisors are likely to make.
Because I'll know that when she does -- by moving away from platitudy to sincere -- she'll gain voters who want a more progressive president than she would have been had Bernie not run.
You need not doubt Bernie means it when he gives support. Berners won't like it, but they trust his judgment more than they trust hers.
The first year of her presidency will be instructive for us all. But first she has to get the votes. To get the votes she's got to be convincing.
If she's convincing, shows integrity, they'll stay. If she's not, and her presidency shows contradictory actions and words, they'll just leave. Probably no candidate ever again will be able to bring them back.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)ancianita
(36,053 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Skinner has posted this a few times.
ancianita
(36,053 posts)If there's going to be healthy debate instead of "nyah nyah our numbers beat yours," now's the time to practice that debating attitude within your own party of fairly loyal supporters.
When someone points out -- and backs up -- misinformation and distortion with research and logical argument, (though I was simply pointing out a reading comprehension error on the part of Hillarists here) this "Daddy Skinner's gonna kick your asses when he gets home" is beyond trifling.
Be like Hillary.
Don't be trifling.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Edit: I simply don't like the continuous attempts to drag our candidate down. Can't wait until I don't have to see right wing talking points here.
ancianita
(36,053 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)DU is about electing Democrats, together we can do this. Michael Moore said this and let the work together begin.
LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)Not every Bernie supporter is going to vote for Hillary. If they don't they just don't However, I know many who are planning on voting for her this fall, plus there are many other Bernie supporters who will vote for Hillary in the GE, and hopefully along with them and her core base voters and with Pres. Obama, Elizabeth Warren, other surrogates and Bernie himself out there on the campaign trail campaigning for her, she'll be looking good this fall to win the presidency.
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)Fights hard for 15 dollar minimum wage and single payer healthcare. Then I will pay attention to her, otherwise, no way in hell!
Skid Rogue
(711 posts)Nice move, Hillary! Smart move, Hillary!
There's nothing but positive in this.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)Gomez163
(2,039 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,340 posts)nenagh
(1,925 posts)but I doubt it will change many minds ...
ancianita
(36,053 posts)nenagh
(1,925 posts)Based on quick scanning of the OPs
Delighted c your reply...
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)I has suspected something a like that
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)"If those who have tirelessly worked on Sanders' behalf put comparable energy into the Clinton Campaign, the odds of maintaining a Democratic White House improve vastly. One might say, her chances at victory are Yuuuge."
Ino
(3,366 posts)There is no enthusiasm gap, so I don't know what these Sanders staffers could do differently. As Hillary Herself said....