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YouDig

(2,280 posts)
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 05:41 PM Jun 2016

If you want to reform the primary process, get rid of caucuses and superdelegates.

It's almost hard to believe that Bernie called for eliminating superdelegates but not caucuses. Everyone knows that caucuses are undemocratic. It just comes off as blatantly wanting to change the rules not to make them more fair, but in ways that would have helped his particular candidacy.

Especially when he also wants more open primaries. I think the open/closed primary thing could go either way. And it's very far from obvious that open primaries are always going to favor the more progressive candidate. But with caucuses and superdelegates, I don't see any counterargument. The whole root cause behind the Nevada thing was because of the caucus system. Voters shouldn't have to rely on convention delegates showing up on time or even at all in order to have a say in who gets the nomination. It's just dumb.

I wish he had just said no caucuses and no superdelegates, that way he would have been standing on solid moral ground.

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Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
1. yes to get rid of caucuses...no to superdelegates
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 05:43 PM
Jun 2016

I'm sure the GOP is wishing it had superdelegates to overturn Trump

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
2. Caucuses benefit Sanders so he doesn't want to get rid of those.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 05:44 PM
Jun 2016

The Supers are here to stay as well.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
3. the point is to portray himself as the "real winner' who would have won except that all of these
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 05:44 PM
Jun 2016

unfair rules stole the nomination from him

no mention of caucuses or having Iowa and New Hampshire always go first

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
4. Sanders is pushing for Republicans to be allowed to vote in Democratic primaries
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 05:45 PM
Jun 2016

That seems like a really bad idea.

YouDig

(2,280 posts)
8. Yeah, I don't think that's so well thought out.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 05:47 PM
Jun 2016

This time, yeah, Bernie is further left, and he did better in open primaries. But it's very easy to think of scenarios where it would be the other way around, a conservative Democrat getting cross-over votes and moderates. Like if say Bloomberg or someone like that ran, I'm pretty sure Bloomberg would do better with independents and moderate Republicans than registered Democrats.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
9. I don't understand why the concept of a closed primary is even controversial at all
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:10 AM
Jun 2016

I don't understand why anyone would oppose letting Democrats pick the Democratic nominee (and letting Republicans pick the Republican nominee for that matter).

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
5. He didn't mention caucuses because this is political theatre.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 05:45 PM
Jun 2016

Because of another great display of political theatre people don't associate him as being the career politician in the field. He is far more politically savvy than many give him credit for.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
11. I don't think it matters what he wants or says.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:28 AM
Jun 2016

He's not a Democrat and will never run for president again. The DNC will move on after Hillary becomes president, and make changes, if any, that the majority of the DEMOCRATIC leadership want.

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