2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHarvard & Stanford Reviews Document Media/Vote Bias Against Bernie
Fitting for the last day of freedom is a discussion about the main stream media bias and vote irregularities that always pounced upon Senator Bernie Sanders efforts, via the Democratic Primary, in the hopes of becoming President of the United States; because Harvard University ftound extreme media bias and Stanford found empirical evidences of anamolies bias, during the 2016 Democratic Primary, against Bernie Sanders.
Even if, arguendo, you are always for Hillary, these findings should upset you.
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Media Coverage of the Primaries Was Awful, Harvard Study Confirms
https://usuncut.com/politics/harvard-study-media-primaries/
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Harvard Study Confirms
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The perception of the Clinton vs. Sanders race created by the medias earliest coverage generated an aura of inevitability for Hillary Clinton and encouraged a dismissive attitude toward Sanders despite his early mega-rallies on the West Coast and huge advantage with small-dollar donations.
The Shorenstein Centers study should vindicate supporters of Bernie Sanders and non-Trump Republican candidates alike, as it proves the medias inherent bias in covering the billionaire real estate developer and the former Secretary of State for the purpose of driving ad revenue and clicks rather than for the purpose of informing the public.
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Rodolfo Cortes Barragan, of Stanford,
did a joint Study on Election Fraud with,
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Their June 7, 2016 paper (Here) is titled "Are we witnessing a dishonest election" and it poses the question by "A between state comparison based on the used voting procedures of the 2016 Democratic Party Primary for the Presidency of the United States of America".
Quotes at top of the discussion paper:
You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you
cannot fool all of the people all of the time. Abraham Lincoln
Conclusion
Are we witnessing a dishonest election? Our first analysis showed that states wherein the voting outcomes are difficult to verify show far greater support for Secretary Clinton. Second, our examination of exit polling suggested large differences between the respondents that took the exit polls and the claimed voters in the final tally. Beyond these points, these irregular patterns of results did not exist in 2008. As such, as a whole, these data suggest that election fraud is occurring in the 2016 Democratic Party Presidential Primary election.
And the last sentence of the paragraph makes a very disturbing conclusion that:
This fraud has overwhelmingly benefited Secretary Clinton at the expense of Senator Sanders.
emphasis is mine.......
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I'm unfamiliar with the Netherlands University and the Stanford Professor; but they bright line what we've all discussed.
As for me, I'm Bern or Bust and must bridle my tongue, or be bojo'd
(fret not Laser haters, I am who I am and my bags are already packed)
As for the rest of you, let the banter wars - for the last day that they may - B E G I N
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laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Seems the rudeness is worldwide, on this issue; and the professors have solid documentation.
At the bottm of the Stanford/Tilburg paper, there's a link to follow debates - extraordinary.
http://caucus99percent.com/content/election-fraud-study-authors-respond-critics
Amaril
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laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Thought they would get it bojo'd in less than 20 minutes.
Thanks for posting.
Faux pas
(14,659 posts)Now, how do we fix this stolen primary?
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)and both will never do so, soon enough, to make a difference.
Though California keeps giving U.S. some surprises;
and there are litigations - multiple.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)all candidates. This is very bad for our nation.
Btw, regarding the OP, since both Trump and Sanders are anti-establishment candidates who built populist movements on widespread discontent and ignorance of what is good and right about our nation, they both benefited tremendously from media's negative coverage.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)There's only - Publicity!
JCanete
(5,272 posts)slide that in there when lumping him and Trump together, but I haven't heard such an argument, and I'd love to hear your rationale for it.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Da man is Nutz
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)anti-establishment, populist campaigns we have every election. Asking me to prove ignorance on the part of populist voters is kind of like asking me to prove gravity before discussing staircases.
The electorate in general is astonishingly, tremendously irresponsibly and dysfunctionally ignorant politically. It is the greatest weakness of democracy and always has been, in large part because ignorance causes fear and anxiety, causes discontent, causes vulnerability to manipulation.
Both Trump and Sanders present themselves as strong men who will fix everything, stating their ideas with tremendous conviction in very simple phrases that even the most ignorant person can understand. No accident.
(Btw, might not fit your picture of Hillary supporters, but excepting the very few mentions of his attacks on Democrats, I agree virtually entirely with the entire list of quotes Wickiquotes has compiled for Bernie Sanders. There's just too much I don't like about him.)
JCanete
(5,272 posts)He has never said he could fix anything alone.
He has kept his message very simple, and that has been a good thing. Clinton has talked out of every side of her mouth and managed to say nothing at all. People take that for sophistication. She's not counting on intelligent people to vote for her, she's counting on people being so baffled by what she says that they think she must be the most qualified for the job. And she gets a lot of help being represented that way.
I absolutely agree with you about our electorate, and I would be lying if I didn't think that Bernie had pulled some people without a clue to his side. But at least he's pulling them to his side with the actual realities of our system. At least he's focusing on those issues that cut to the core of our democracy. At least his message was one of galvanizing the issues of white middle class Americans together with the interests of the poor and minorities, and immigrants. His message was one of common cause...until the Clinton camp and the media did its number on it and went with the old divide and conquer.
It would be cool if maybe we had a better system of education in this country, but that's just the old guy who's preying on our ignorance that wants free college.
See, from my perspective, if you aren't in the top 1% and you are voting for Clinton, then you aren't voting in your self interest, and maybe that's a matter of being just a wee bit ignorant on her actual history and policies. Funny enough, nobody on this board of boards has done a good job of explaining why Clinton is better than Sanders on any issue under the Sun, cept that "she's so wonky..." I will accept that democrats in the top 1% are overwhelmingly pro-Clinton, and she even has plenty of republican support up there, and that they are not generally ignorant on politics, so, well, there's that. What could they see in her?
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)As for her position on anything
Things - change....
Doremus
(7,261 posts)To follow your logic, since Bernie received 75% less coverage than HRC, he benefited far less from the negative slant.
I say it's a ridiculous assertion that anyone benefits from negative publicity. It is however quite disturbing that the media blatantly ignored certain candidate(s) because the public depends on information to make informed decisions. Is it any wonder how we end up with GWBs and similar plutocrats.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)serving.
In other words - the media knows how to keep the donation dollars going;
which will - sooner or later - wind up in their pockets.
One could argue that they spin - to win.
Without their pushing the emotion buttons - which in turn fans the flames of campaign donations - media outlets would go bankrupt.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I'm pretty sure statisticians would write it up very differently, probably use large databases and very complex and sophisticated computer analyses to try to measure relationships between these apples and oranges.
I did not say she didn't benefit from the volume of coverage.
I said Sanders benefited to a very large degree by its tone, regardless of who and what was being covered. The media reinforced his message that our nation is in crisis every time it reported negatively on anything that happened in our nation or the world, and it was all free, didn't cost him a dime.
Sanders did need to work hard, talk at rallies, buy ads, flood social media with articles and posts, attend debates, etc., to get out his message that he was the only one who could fix it, but that does not negate the substantial uplift the media's pervasive negativism gave his anti-establishment populist theme.
Doremus
(7,261 posts)to be received.
You can't say that Bernie benefited from general discontent because, with the lack of media coverage of him specifically, many people didn't even know his positions ... and still don't.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Poor little candidate never had a chance against the evil corporatist conspiracy to keep him down, or something like that...?
Or maybe we should recognize that every person who DID hear of him was also exposed to the discontent being spread like a virulent measles virus everywhere the media reach.
(I grabbed the measles virus for my little disease analogy because it can literally ride on motes of dust, carried long distances by the wind, and is extremely infectious. What a shame we don't have a vaccine against the intellectual laziness and dishonesty that make some people especially receptive.)
ismnotwasm
(41,975 posts)Or
note from the writer, this might indicate that if tampering with the votes has occurred, it would be reasonable to assume that they are added to subgroups which are claimed to heavily favor Hillary Clinton, i.e. black and female voters (for the latter I have not found the time yet)
What is that supposed to mean?
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)If you Black Op - good enough excuse to cause concern
then the Polls purportedly having Bernie & Hillary tied - will not be a point of contention
when they block millenials from the election
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disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)And I do think (given the current empirical proofs) that our nation will only beg for a Bernie Sanders
When we hit absolute ....rock bottom
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)if that's how they feel. I have no issue with that.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)If Hillary didnt have all the baggage..was even clise to being like Warren...We'd help her whip Bernie
But every single issue of bias an impurity arose against Bernie ..to favor her...compounded by $achs and such
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Thank you for your candor
eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)peace13
(11,076 posts)Read this as though you don't have a dog in the fight and see how weird it feels to see the skewed numbers. We are in deep trouble folks.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Is the worst reason in the world to ignore such
chknltl
(10,558 posts)Discussion is all we ask
chknltl
(10,558 posts)...I'll add Thom Hartmann has been saying much of the same since Bernie first threw his hat in the ring. Hartmann fans knew who Bernie was prior due to Brunch with Bernie hour on the show each Friday. We also understood some of the corporate media dynamics Bernie would face thanks to Thom.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)For justice...in our case against Romney & Goldman Sachs
But it ain't over...till its over
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)And details where WikiLeaks gets the facts from
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)At the Appendix link at bottom of Stanford paper
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SdmBLFW9gISaqOyyz_fATgaFupI2-n6vWx80XRGUVBo/mobilebasic
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)It is a sad state of affairs.