2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHow Much Does Chelsea Clinton Get Paid In Speaking Fees? It's Less Than Her Parents But Still More
Than You'd Expect (Alex Gladu 2015)
"Like mother, like daughter?"
http://www.bustle.com/articles/95370-how-much-does-chelsea-clinton-get-paid-in-speaking-fees-its-less-than-her-parents-but
Fair question, as are all in the context of transparency and trust.
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)speaker fees are just another form of celebrity worship
TheBlackAdder
(28,189 posts)lapucelle
(18,252 posts)to the Clinton Foundation.
And their are no members of her family listed as "advisers" in her FEC filings and collecting 1% style salaries
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)insta8er
(960 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)choie
(4,111 posts)what the hell does Chelsea provide?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)and more good, through the Clinton Foundation, than either of us will if we live 3 lifetimes.
choie
(4,111 posts)I'm a social worker. We (social workers) may be paid crap, but we help many many people.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)to even tell yourself the lie, that you touch as many or more lives than Chelsea through the Clinton Foundation.
choie
(4,111 posts)But social workers actually deal with clients personally- Chelsea Clinton is a fundraiser - she uses her name and doesn't have to go into the muck and mire, save for some photo ops. To say that she "helps" people is a stretch. She cashes in on her name - to benefit others AND herself and is able to get tax breaks by contributing to her own foundation.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)do the beneficiaries of Chelsea's "cashing in on her name", give any more of a damn that she cashed in on her name, and got paid and tax credits, for doing so, than they do that YOU receive (crappy) pay for going into the muck and mire to provide your benefits?
choie
(4,111 posts)I am responding to your painting her as a "do-gooder". Don't make her out to be selflessly helping the masses. That foundation is a payday for the Clintons.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)are donating to it. So there goes that theory.
choie
(4,111 posts)pnwmom
(108,977 posts)of their time.
choie
(4,111 posts)Selflessly and altruistically giving their time to help others..
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)When you give to a charity, you get a deduction for a fraction of what you gave -- not for more than what you gave. So getting a tax break means you're not paying taxes on a PORTION of what you gave away.
Florencenj2point0
(435 posts)care for thousands more? No, I didn't think so. I am betting you don't have several Doctorates either. Anyone ever tell you jealousy will eat you up from the inside out?
choie
(4,111 posts)and everything to do with my disgust towards people who are held up as virtuous when in reality their foundation is a scam and a virtual money laundering operation. The Clintons do nothing without being well compensated in one way or another - with money, power or access. If you don't want to see that, keep the blinders on.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)pnwmom
(108,977 posts)and a PhD in International relations.
She has traveled all over the world and led an interesting life. I would be very interested in hearing her talk about it.
Much more interested than listening to some drummer.
Florencenj2point0
(435 posts)and I agree she would be very interesting to listen to.
choie
(4,111 posts)to insults from DUers.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)For some of the Clinton's inner circle, like Chelsea's pal Cheryl Mills, it's easy.
Cheryl Mills (Wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheryl_Mills
Hillary Clinton aide moves to block release of deposition video (Josh Gerstein 5-25-16 Politico)
http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2016/05/hillary-clinton-cheryl-mills-deposition-223583
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)but then, I'm not asking how much she is paid for giving a speech.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)have a great weekend 1SBM.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Txbluedog
(1,128 posts)That Bernie and Jane would not jump at the chance to earn that much on the speakers circuit if someone would have them
jg10003
(976 posts)choie
(4,111 posts)from Wall Street or other like entities, that's for sure
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)What do you think?
emulatorloo
(44,120 posts)Because that would make very interesting reading I bet.
msongs
(67,405 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)I am asking the same questions that MOST people are and MOST of US need to have our TRUST earned.
The Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation's Politico archive page
http://www.politico.com/news/clinton-foundation
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)Or Independents posing as Democrats.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)choie
(4,111 posts)that we are no longer able to discuss the Clintons' shady and unseemly doings..we must only sing their praises.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)choie
(4,111 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)Florencenj2point0
(435 posts)if you think tRump would be an okay president and you don't give a flying fuck about the poor people, women, POC, LGBTQ and Seniors who would be hurt by his presidency, by all means do not vote for Hillary. Nobody has to earn your trust or your vote. Put on your big boy underroos.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Hillary is the nominee. Get over it.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Response to Lil Missy (Reply #23)
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840high
(17,196 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Chelsea Clinton - Facebook
www.facebook.com Places New York, New York
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Five Things You Need to Know About Chelsea Clinton
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The Washington Free Beacon
Jul 23, 2014 - Chelsea Clinton is the best known public figure that everybody seems to know nothing about. This is set to change as Chelsea emerges into a ...
In media coverage of Chelsea Clinton, the kid gloves are still on - The ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../in-media-coverag...The Washington Post
Feb 6, 2016 - And she's most definitely a public figure. Yet the media still handle her with kid gloves. Here's how Shafer put it: When precisely did Chelsea ...
Chelsea Clinton steps into the spotlight on her own terms - The ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../chelsea-clinton...
The Washington Post
Aug 4, 2015 - Chelsea Clinton at the 2015 amfAR New York Gala in February. ..... The job her first attempt at being a purposefully public person is not ...
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)Florencenj2point0
(435 posts)remember that neighbor in "I dream of Genie"?
840high
(17,196 posts)MineralMan
(146,288 posts)Chelsea Clinton isn't running for anything. She's an adult, a private citizen, and is not running for office.
I'm not sure what your intentions are with this, but I fail to see any relevance to DU's GD-P forum.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)How much does Miggy Cabrera get paid to hit baseballs?
How much does Jennifer Lawrence get paid to act in movies?
How much does Bruno Mars get paid to play a concert?
Sid
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)choie
(4,111 posts)N/t
840high
(17,196 posts)doc03
(35,332 posts)Sancho
(9,070 posts)And lets talk about the more cerebral cousin of the appearance agreement, which is the speaking engagement. Is $200k really that unusual? In fact All American Speakers, the agency that represents Clinton, currently represents 135 people whose MINIMUM speaking fee is $200,000. Some of the luminaries that get paid this much include: Guy Fieri, Ang Lee, Carla Delevingne, Chelsea Handler, Elon Musk, Mehmet Oz, Michael Phelps, Nate Berkus, and Larry the Cable Guy. And no that last one is not a joke. And if you drop the speaking fee to $100k, the number of people they represent jumps to over 500. At $50,000 the number jumps to over 1,200. And All American Speakers are obviously not the only agency that represents speakers. So there are in fact thousands of people getting paid this kind of money to give a speech.
For millions of Americans struggling to pay their bills, the very idea that someone can make $100,000 or more for just giving a speech or hanging out at a Vegas nightclub is obscene. But as Richard Nixon used to say, dont hate the player, hate the game. Hillary didnt invent the speaking engagement industry, and she isnt anywhere near the first person to make a lot of money from it. And while her fees are in the upper range of what speakers make, neither they nor the total amount of money she has made are unusual. Its just unusual FOR A WOMAN.
And yes, Im back on that, because I feel compelled to point out that before he ran for President in 2007, Rudy Giuliani was making about $700,000 a month in speaking fees with an average of $270k per speech. Its estimated that in the 5 years before his run he earned as much as $40 million in speaking fees. Nobody cared, no accusations of impropriety were made, and there was almost no media interest. So why did Giuliani get a pass, while Hillary stands accused of inherent corruption for making less money doing the same thing?
Florencenj2point0
(435 posts)hear that bernie dude and dudettes. This is sexist nonsense and while you may or may not be sexist, not that you have read and understood the above post, if you continue to push this argument, then your are indeed sexist.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)imho. Wow.
MFM008
(19,808 posts)Ace Rothstein
(3,161 posts)kstewart33
(6,551 posts)When crap like this won't be allowed.
Bustle.com? Are you serious?
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)Which given her Ivy League status and famous name is a lot
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)Florencenj2point0
(435 posts)you get paid what people think you are worth.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)madamesilverspurs
(15,801 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)2cannan
(344 posts)After Hillary claims the Clintons aren't 'realIy rich' Chelsea (who's married to a hedge funder, lives in a $11m home, and is paid $600,000 for doing nothing) says 'I tried to care about money but I couldn't'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2666265/I-tried-care-money-I-says-Chelsea-Clinton-married-hedge-funder-lives-11m-home-paid-600-000-NBC-doing-nothing.html
Chelsea Clinton lives a charmed life, but don't be fooled: secretly, she's not attached to the oodles of money she and her hedge fund manager husband make each year, the former first daughter said in an interview published over the weekend.
Philanthropy is her true passion, Clinton said, and that's why she permanently left Wall Street to join the Clinton Foundation, which she runs with her parents, former first couple Bill and Hillary Clinton.
'I was curious if I could care about [money] on some fundamental level, and I couldnt,' Clinton told The Telegraph. 'That wasnt the metric of success I wanted in my life.'
Love one of the comments: Let her try to survive on minimum wage then we will see if she does not care about money...
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)tonyt53
(5,737 posts)Bernie just isn't much in demand when trying to fit that criteria.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)Sort of engagement and keep his job
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)pnwmom
(108,977 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Chelsea have to be paid so much?
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)LynnTTT
(362 posts)How much does Eric Trump get paid for theoretically running the Trump golf course in Charlottesville?
This has zip to do with anything.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)Chelsea is not running for office.
-none
(1,884 posts)What is she telling Goldman Sachs for $250,000 to $350,000 a speech?
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)including the Rethugs, do so. Trump hasn't.
Bernie, on the other hand, firmly promised months ago to release multiple years of tax returns during the primaries. And he failed to keep his promise.
Hillary has had 30 years of personal tax returns made public, and the Foundation's tax returns have also been public since its inception.
Hekate
(90,674 posts)Whether the event is big or small, you want a Name that will draw attendees. Sure you can get some Nobody to lecture the crowd, but why would they want to spend the big bucks to come listen to the nobody? That's what the break-out sessions are for.
But it's just so much more gratifying to pretend ignorance of these realities.
Florencenj2point0
(435 posts)she gets whatever the market will pay.
jalan48
(13,864 posts)Not sure what she says that people want to hear though.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)in International Relations, and she's traveled all over the world and led a very unusual life.
Many people would be interested in hearing her.
What I can't understand is why anyone's willing to pay Larry the Cable guy $200K for a speech.
840high
(17,196 posts)jalan48
(13,864 posts)yawnmaster
(2,812 posts)seriously interested in that strategy.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)before you go off and pay $27,000.00 for a plate of food to hear her speak for about 10 minutes before the picture taking of about 30 minutes. Networking is very different at that level-but very rewarding for some.
How a Clinton insider used his ties to build a consulting giant (Rachael Bade 4-13-16 Politico)
"Hillary gave a special State Department post to an ex-fundraiser-even as he was laying the groundwork for a global firm with ties to her husband called Teneo"
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/teneo-final-221807
Wikipedia has a couple of entries for some of these controversial Clinton network folks that "charitably" hobnob all over the world.
Douglas J. Band
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Band
Ira Magaziner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ira_Magaziner
Time is money...and money trumps peace sometimes...blah, blah, blah. Just don't follow to whom or where it goes.
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)Back to the topic we're discussing.
Clinton White House passed up pardon for Chelsea's father-in-law (Josh Gerstein 2-3-16 Politico)
"Ed Mezvinsky asked Bill Clinton to spare him 'a long prison term' according to newly revealed records"
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/clinton-bill-hillary-chelsea-mezvinsky-pardon-218632