I'm under 45 and he can count me OUT of this 'revolution'

[bravenak]

Not interested in hearing one more damn word about his donations, how awesome he is, how oppressed he is, how many caucuses he won, and not one damn more word about what he demands in light of his YUUUGE loss to Candidate Hillary Clinton.

All this anticipation about this speech and how excited everybody was. Pfffttt! I hope the DNC was listening and makes sure that anybody who refused to concede DOES NOT GET ONE DAMN MINUTE of time on stage at Hillary's party- the Democratic National Convention.

That had to be just about the most pessimistic and depressing speech I have ever watched. So glad they cut away.

Same damn speech I saw for the last year. Nothing new, just a list of complaints, demands, accusations, and self congratulatory plea for continued attention.

[Warren Stupidity]

1. Yeah fuck that economic justice shit!

[tk2kewl]

24. And who needs elections uncorrupted by money...

Or clean air an water...
Or gun control...
Or clean energy...
Or modern infrastructure...
Or women's rights...
Or LGBT rights...
Or civil rights...
Or healthcare...
Or Native American rights...
Or anything else other than a concession.

[Warren Stupidity]

27. Yeah that shit sucks!

[tk2kewl]

46. Oh yeah...

Peace too... Can't be having any of that either

[FDR_Liberal]

112. Yeah!

Screw liberalism!!!!!! Joy reid told me that bernie is just a fringe candidate whos not even a democrat.....although 45% of democratic delegates voted for him and he caucuses with dems 90%+ of the time

[FuzzyRabbit]

318. Everything is great just the way it is now!

We don't need to change anything. Big money buying our politicians is working out really well for everybody.

[Warren Stupidity]

333. I'm just happy not to be worse off!

[EffieBlack]

64. He offered no solution. Only a long litany of complaints.

Just a warmed over version his stump speech - minus all the good parts.

[tk2kewl]

70. There are no magic solutions

The solutions come from people standing together and demanding that we adjust our priorities. Sanders' supporters get this. They want an active role not a leader with a quick fix.

[George II]

73. They don't have to be magic. But he hasn't offered any solutions of any kind, i.e., ......

..HOW to fix things, how to improve things, how to make changes.

During my very last class in college our adviser came into the class room and filled us in on what to expect in our careers, and how to approach those careers. He said something that I'll never forget - if you want to criticize something you'd better be prepared with a way to fix it or do it better.

That was almost 50 years ago, it's still appropriate today.

Sadly Sanders has never put forward any way to fix the things he complains about or ways to do them better.

[tk2kewl]

81. He has proposed solutions funded by tax increases primarily on corporations and investments

Solutions for college, healthcare, family leave, child care, infrastructure, energy. Tell me how any other candidate has a plan to accomplish these goals to an equal or better satisfaction

[Dustlawyer]

180. Most importantly, he is attacking the root problem that prevents solutions to a myriad of

other problems, the problem of our (former) Representatives who are legally bribed to represent Donors instead of their constituents. Hillary and Bill have always been a big part of that problem.

[Demsrule86]

184. We don't care

He had a job to do last night and that was to concede. He didn't do it. Thus, he is no use in the general. Bernie would have to concede...and without that he can't help. He better be careful asking for money...the primary is over and he will find himself in hot water if he continues.

[Dustlawyer]

185. Ah, and therein lies the difference!

You don't care that we live under corporate rule. You don't care that companies like BP can ruin our environment and avoid paying the full costs. You don't care that the networks use the public airwaves to brain wash the under-educated and those too busy working to survive this terrible and hard world.

You want Hillary for your own reasons and beliefs, I get that, but ignore the past history and anything that doesn't make her look good. I believe that had their positions been reversed and Hillary have had to contend with the extra hurdles that Bernie did you would be crying foul! I agree that the Republicans have never been fair to her, but she has not been attacked by her own Party like Bernie has. Before you start with Bernie is not a real Democrat shtick, his policies have always been soundly based in Democratic principles. I respect that you believe she is best for us, in that I must respectfully disagree.

He will help Hillary defeat Trump. He will also try to hold her feet to the fire to stick to policies that restore Representative Democracy rather than the quid pro quo she owes for all of the money she has taken in. I know, she says the money has no effect on her, they all do. You believe her when she says it, but I do not!

Bernie's campaign was not just to seek the WH, but to advance the agenda of the 99%. To do that under the system we have now is impossible without a political revolution. He/we will continue to try to advance that revolution. I believe that Hillary will become President and we will see what she does, but our political revolution will continue. You will get what you want so I would urge you to focus on the General and leave Bernie to do his thing. You obviously don't care about what he stands for, but he is no longer a direct threat to your chosen candidate and her ambitions!

[Demsrule86]

196. No you misunderstand

I don't care about Bernie Sanders...I am in for progressive ideas and think we can make real progress...but I would never support anything that he is involved in. He can't help us in the general unless he concedes and endorses...thus...he should go home and work in the senate...make some more amendments to add to bills that are never passed. He has treated the first woman nominee for president from a major party with complete disrespect. And I will never get over it. When he said he would talk Hillary...I was enraged briefly...then I shook it off...it is not the first nor will it be the last some man thinks a woman needs mansplaining. I just didn't expect it from Sen. Sanders.

[ReRe]

206. Ahem...

... if you don't care about Bernie Sanders, why are you wasting your time on this thread? Bernie isn't hurting Hillary Clinton. She IS the presumptive nominee, after all. Bernie will formally concede at some point, you do realize this don't you? Get a grip.

[Demsrule86]

208. yes he is hurting Hillary Clinton

And I am on this thread because I want to be...you answered me and I replied.

[ReRe]

215. HOW is he hurting Hillary Clinton???

I'm serious. I really want to understand why you think he is hurting her. Thanks.

[QC]

222. No one will answer that question.

I guess Brock forgot to put it in the memo.

[ReRe]

224. Hate for hate's sake, I guess. eom

[tarheelsunc]

270. His window for conceding is shut.

You don't concede weeks after it's clear you lost.

[Dustlawyer]

223. So it appears that a male politician cannot have

a disagreement or discussion with a female politician without it being "mansplaining?"

Hillary is a tough politician and has proven she can handle herself just fine. Bernie has not been not been as tough on her as anyone else would have been, and not because she is a woman, but because he has tried to stick to issues. Otherwise he would have gone after her email/server controversy.

Some objectivity would be refreshing.

[tonyt53]

254. Bernie gave you a fairly tale without telling you how it really ends.

NONE of it is possible without at least a Democratic Party majority in the Senate. Bernie has done jack shit to help that happen. in fact, he has condemned fundraising to help that happen. Under Bernie's proposals, according to most trusted economists, EVERYBODY would have their taxes increased under Bernie's plan. Even those least able to pay for a tax increase. To say that they would receive better benefits in return is very callous. Bernie really doesn't understand poverty.

[tk2kewl]

261. you afraid to pay some more taxes to build a better society?

I'm not.

[politicaljunkie41910]

284. He himself said that he didn't expect those things to get accomplished in his first term.

What he didn't seem to realize is that, if he didn't get his plan through in a first term, there would be no second term. Bernie's ideas were a pipe dream at best. With a GOP run Congress, his ideas were always just wishful thinking. Now the fact that the GOP gave us the gift of a lifetime in the form of Donald Trump, the GOP Presumptive Nominee, we have hope for taking back one if not both Houses. But none of us could have counted on this, a year ago.

[AgadorSparticus]

386. I'm curious. Who is he going to work with to make that happen?

Republicans? "Establishment" democrats?

[NWCorona]

115. I disagree. He's put forth his policy changes on his website.

But if you mean for tonight then we'll yeah but that wasn't what tonight was about. It was a message to his supporters.

I agree with you on what your college advisor said.

[George II]

191. His policy changes, i.e., what he'd like to change, are on his website but there are very few....

...details on how he intends to accomplish those changes.

[angrychair]

300. You know that isn't true

He has a website full of very specific issues with very detailed solutions.

Take for example climate change:
https://berniesanders.com/issues/climate-change/
https://berniesanders.com/people-before-polluters/
http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-climate-change/
And a very interesting article comparing Clinton and Sanders plans:
http://www.climatechangenews.com/2016/04/12/diverging-views-sanders-and-clinton-on-climate-change/

That is one topic, took me seconds to do the search and finds reams of information.
Google is your friend if you really want to learn what his plans on any given topic...I have a feeling you won't care though and not reply or reply and change the subject.

[George II]

302. I know that IS true. I've been through his "issues" pages on his website. Long on platitudes....

....short on substance or true solutions.

[angrychair]

309. Then why, in a side by side comparison

Do most conservation voters prefer Sanders plan to confront climate change than Clinton's plan? Just as one example.

As stated in the article I already linked:

On voting, the League of Conservation Voters gives Bernie Sanders a 100% rating in 2015 and 95% over his lifetime.

Clinton received an 82% lifetime rating from the LCV, but the group endorsed her in November without laying out why they spurned the politician with a better record in their own tallies.

The fallback complaint is that Clinton is more likely to get things done, she will compromise, work a deal or however the excuse is shaped.
It is only a compromise if each party to the compromise is giving up something of equal proportion to the other. That is rarely what happens on legislation or any agreement with government. As is true in many cases, the poor and middle-class do all the giving and the wealthy and/or powerful do all the taking.

"It's easy to talk about the virtues of compromise when you are not the one being compromised."
Angrychair

[George II]

317. Simple response - why did the LCV endorse Clinton over Sanders? THAT is the best gauge...

....of the two candidates, wouldn't you think?

http://www.lcv.org/media/press-releases/LCV-Action-Fund-Endorses-Hillary-Clinton-for-President.html

Of course, since they didn't endorse Sanders the immediate reaction is that the process is flawed.

[angrychair]

319. Why the endorsement?

I don't have that answer, ask them. I just know that based on their own rating system, he has a better rating, a better voting record and better public policy positions, from them than she does. It's not my system, it's their system. I'll leave it up to others as to "why".

[George II]

321. Rating systems aren't necessarily useful when two people have very very close ratings. Plus....

....I don't know that they have even rated Clinton since she left the Senate (their system seems to concentrate on legislators)

The bottom line is that they evaluated the two candidates based on a number of factors, and if you read their press release they overwhelmingly decided upon Clinton.

Who knows, they may have come to the same conclusion that many Democrats did during the primaries, although the two candidates have similar ideas they see Clinton as being better able to get things done as President.

[angrychair]

322. Really not going to beat that horse anymore

I've already post my last Sanders vs. Clinton comments:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512193125

[pnwmom]

168. They think there is magic free college that is magically paid for

by putting a spell on the majority of Governors and getting them to pay 1/3 of the cost.

The same Governors who turned down Medicaid expansion because they would have had to pay 1/10 of the cost.

[noiretextatique]

232. We were able to do it before

The population was brainwashed to believe it is not possible.

[pnwmom]

234. It's not "the population" that is the problem. It is all those governors

with R's after their name.

[QC]

239. People forget this, but yeah, public colleges were pretty cheap

and damn near free for the most part, until the 80s and 90s, when virtually everything in America became a scam to enrich the 0.01%.

Here's a great article by Tom Hanks telling what a difference his free community college made for him: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/14/opinion/tom-hanks-on-his-two-years-at-chabot-college.html?_r=1

Colin Powell is another person who benefited from a free education, in his case City College of New York.

[YOHABLO]

310. You see we have to support big salaries for football coaches. That's why college isn't free.

[noiretextatique]

231. Hillary has solutions?

Besides cautious incrementalism? The first step in finding somutions is to try.

[NanceGreggs]

68. Yeah, because ...

... HRC, her supporters, and the Dem Party are against all of those things - right?

[blackspade]

89. Correct!

Glad you're starting to realize!

[Silver_Witch]

124. and enjoying....

[Armstead]

98. They claim to be for those things

And so why have a problem with someone who is trying to bring in more people to help accomplish them?

Unless HRC her supporters and the Dem Party don't reeeeeeeaaaaaaly want those things because they're too inconvenient and upset too many apple carts -- like those big corporate backers who really call the shots.

[NanceGreggs]

105. Look, if you and your cohorts ...

... want to believe that everyone other than Bernie is corrupt, you just go ahead and believe that. And I won't be surprised if you do, because that's how cults operate - brainwash your followers into believing that anyone who doesn't agree with you is "the enemy" (or, in this case, "the Establishment&quot .

Bernie's only interest in bringing in more people was people who would vote for HIM, not for the Democratic Party. Quite the opposite - he continually told those he claimed to be "bringing in" that the Dem Party is full of corrupt corporate whores, and he and he alone could change all of that.

He railed against the very idea of super-delegates - and then did a complete 180 and declared that he would try and convince them to ignore the voice of the voters and hand him the nomination.

And how did his supporters react to that hypocrisy? "Well, if Bernie does it, then it's okay."

[Armstead]

109. Yeah whatever. The Cult of Clinton is okay I guess.

I don't think Bernie or the millions who have supported him want to see the Democratic Party as 'the enemy." Would rather see it represent what it claims to stand for so they can be enthusiastic supporters of it.

But we are not happy with the system corruption that has overtaken politics and government -- including the role of the Democrats in that.

We believe that it should be opened up and change course away from the conservatism it has veered into on too many issues.

That is NOT cultlike -- and the fact that he got somewhere around 43 percent of the vote indicates that it is not a "fringe cult."

[NanceGreggs]

121. No, it's not a "fringe cult".

It's a rather mainstream cult, which attracted - as all cults do - people who were easily manipulated into believing that their One True Saviour had finally arrived, the One who would right all wrongs, and give them whatever they desired.

And all they had to do to bring about this glorious, corruption-free, justice-for-all utopian future was to vote for their self-proclaimed Leader.

I'm certainly not saying that all BSers are cultists. Most of them just liked Bernie more than they liked Hillary. But they're Democrats first, and they'll vote for HRC in November. They never saw themselves as part of a Revolution, or a Popular Uprising, or a Grand Movement - or whatever else the cultists see themselves as.

[Armstead]

128. I'm not a cultist -- Kind of moderate actually -- But I do think we need a major change

We have allowed our economy, and political system and government to be thrown totally out of whack and distorted. We have allowed an obscene disparity in Wealth and Power to develop to the determent of a majority of Americans. Reagan and the GOP instigated it, but too often the Democrats have been far too helpful.

In order to get back to anything approaching a balance and "mid point" we need to change that disastrous course before it's too late.

And yes, I really am kind of moderate. I actually agree with the message of many of Obama's speeches over the years.

[G_j]

186. I've been a registered Democrat for 46 years

I'll vote for Hillary when the times comes. I support Sanders staying in until the convention, because I feel his policies and ideas can make the party better. I support bringing young people into the party that had become so cynical that they wouldn't have otherwise become involved. I take offense to all the cult allegations and general distain heaped on millions of citizens.

Of course you and "your cohorts" never mention that what the Sanders campaign has done is truly historic and has given hope to people, that a purely populace campaign, running on nothing but grass roots donations, could even get to the table. But rather than see a miracle that should give real hope to the those who despair of the apathy in this country, especially amount the young, you heap distain on them.

[Beowulf]

211. Tapping the power of cynicism

[Surya Gayatri]

214. ^^^This!^^^

"...people who were easily manipulated into believing that their One True Saviour had finally arrived, the One who would right all wrongs, and give them whatever they desired."

[noiretextatique]

235. Sounds like Clinton devotees eom

[Surya Gayatri]

213. ^^^AMEN to this!^^^

"...that's how cults operate - brainwash your followers into believing that anyone who doesn't agree with you is "the enemy" (or, in this case, "the Establishment&quot ."

[Chasstev365]

77. Ding Ding Ding: We have a winner!

[George Eliot]

349. Bobby: some ask why, others ask why not? Bernie: ask why not?

This OP is all about naysayers who ask why.

[uponit7771]

42. You mean economic just for gun corps? Cause that's the future I see and his squad would love it

[AlbertCat]

170. You mean economic just for gun corps?

Oh for Christ sake... that debunked lying meme again....still?

Are you gonna tell us he doesn't "get" people of color next?

Oh I know! "He's a commie!...BOO!"

[noiretextatique]

236. Lol...they have been pushing that from day one

I am proud to say I have been expelled from the Hillary Clinton African-American forum, formerly known as the African-American forum.

[Silver_Witch]

122. Oh SNAP!

Thank you Warren...better words were never spoken.

[rug]

182. Economic justice rhetoric is not economic justice.

[MaeScott]

197. Yes, give the corptocracy a big wet kiss....seeya

[slipslidingaway]

2. Over 60 and count me in. nt

[PowerToThePeople]

3. I will donate to him

Thanks for motivating me.

[MariaThinks]

29. You should donate all your money to bernie.

[PowerToThePeople]

88. I would do that

way before voting Hillary.

[MariaThinks]

227. no conditions - just donate to Berni

and then there's trump waiting for support

[QC]

90. And then maybe you can donate a few dollars to DU

to help keep the site running, since it provides you with a place to share such great pieces of wit and wisdom as this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1478265

[bunnies]

204. Interesting how so many of those who cant wait for us types to be purged

cant be bothered to support the site at all, isnt it?

[QC]

217. You mean you don't think saying that candidates have body odor

is a contribution to the site?

But yeah, I have noticed that about 90% of the CALL IT SKINNER!1!!!11! types don't have donor stars. That says a lot, none of it good.

[bunnies]

219. Theres a couple hides in this thread that say an awful lot too.

Id be too ashamed to show my face again if I ever posted anything like that. There must be a certain set here who agree with the sentiment though. "Progressives". heh

[TheCowsCameHome]

4. Is that a promise?

[bravenak]

6. Yes

[Wilms]

5. This is news?

[Red Mountain]

18. Wasting?

He's brought their issues to the forefront of the campaign.

He doesn't have to be the nominee to advance his agenda......and theirs.

This country is moving to the left after way too long.

Get used to it.

[BobbyDrake]

19. "He doesn't have to be the nominee to advance his agenda" A lie until he concedes.

The voting is over. He didn't win. Every second he maintains his campaign in the egotistical belief that he'll become the nominee somehow makes your statement factually incorrect.

[MariaThinks]

31. He's fooling people. If he wanted to improve things he wouldn't be doing it like a stubborn person

but one yielding power.

[George II]

53. Are you overlooking that trip to Rome that cost more than a half million bucks?

[sheshe2]

71. That has been brushed off from what I read.

[Lord Magus]

80. I was under the impression these issues were already at the forefront.

Bernie wasn't the first person to bring up any of these things.

[AlbertCat]

172. I was under the impression these issues were already at the forefront.

You were under the wrong impression.

Who was making the things in his platform a new worthy thing before?

[Juicy_Bellows]

8. Hot dogs!

[JonLeibowitz]

83. +1. Still no retraction (that isn't deleted) on DU either. Guess she stands by that.

[QC]

140. Why retract when most people here seem to be fine with it

and will swarm anyone who dares acknowledge it?

[JonLeibowitz]

145. It makes me think the ageism / sexism / or anti-semitism played a more significant role this primary

[QC]

148. No doubt. n/t

[bravenak]

157. Wow? Talk about me much?

I really never ever think about you at all. Or talk about you. I mean, why would I? You are a stranger on a message board.

[AlbertCat]

173. Wow? Talk about me much?

Isn't that the whole point of these ridiculous threads you continually create?

[bravenak]

324. I wanted people to discuss their opinions about the speech

[cyberpunk]

212. ...They really tried to hide the evidence of racism?

wtf even is this site?

[840high]

127. I'll never forget that.

[Happenstance24]

10. Hold up.

Did this guy really beg for more donations?

[Demsrule86]

40. Maybe he really needs money badly. That would explain this...nt

[redstatebluegirl]

56. He has gotten used to the plane and trips...

[SpareribSP]

11. You know what's more depressing?

Suicide rates rising, United States infant mortality being between Croatia and Serbia, and fifteen neighborhoods in Baltimore having lower life expectancy than North Korea.

These are issues people deeply care about, and need to be heard. Having bold vision on them is going to be what invigorates the party not only for this election, but the next midterm election, local elections, and beyond.

[MaeScott]

198. Brockettes don't care about issues. Just a coronation

[DisgustipatedinCA]

12. The most pessimistic speech you've ever seen, and youve seen the same speech for a year?

By definition, at least one of those claims is untrue.

[NobodyHere]

154. Not true

If all his speeches are equally depressing then both statements are true.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

155. It's nonsensical from a conversational point of view, contradictory.

I get that you're creating a logical construction, but step back from it and consider. This is not how people speak.

[Duckhunter935]

13. You were never part of it

All you have been found is attacking him and his supporters for months.

[noiretextatique]

233. True

And the kicker: she does not like Clinton either, but for some reason believes she will be better for black people. Like Bill was

[harun]

244. +1

[Android3.14]

14. As if

[lapucelle]

15. Sanders is having a bad week.

The events of last Sunday highlight his appalling voting record on guns.
He was trounced in D.C.
All three candidates that he endorsed in the Nevada primary lost last night.

Even tonight's phone event was damaging. It seemed like a publicity stunt, and he sounded bitter and out of touch.

[bravenak]

22. He sure is

Makes him seem smaller somehow

[MariaThinks]

32. kick

[uponit7771]

44. +1, he just cited his stump speech and said nothing really different

[Number23]

150. He lost 80-20 in DC. That was an absolute shellacking. And yet, somehow, someway he still feels

that he is in a position to whine, carp and demand shit. It's astonishing.

[AlbertCat]

174. his appalling voting record on guns.

...and his D- grading from the NRA!


Stop with this debunked and false " he's a gun nut" meme already. It's had its day and died.... for any sensible person.


His record on voting for appalling unnecessary wars is much better than others.

[noiretextatique]

238. Leahy voted against Brady too eom

[lapucelle]

260. And Edwards, Kerry, and Biden voted for the Iraq war,

but for some reason, it wasn't disqualifying for them when they were running for president. I wonder why?

[lapucelle]

259. Sanders has a passing grade from the NRA.

His voting record is his voting record. You can't debunk facts.

I'm always amused when Sanders's supporters try to explain his record as "nuanced" positions, but insist on lockstep, black or white compliance from his opponent.

Nuance for me but not for thee!

[AlbertCat]

262. Sanders has a passing grade from the NRA.

D-

Yeah... that's real nuanced.

He STILL has a better record on voting for unnecessary wars. No nuance needed there.

[Autumn]

16. But you fucking listened to what he was saying just to complain about it.

"Nothing new, just a list of complaints, demands, accusations, and self congratulatory plea for continued attention"

Yeah that's all your OPs and posts about Bernie and his supporters for the last year, even when you hated Hillary.

[uponit7771]

48. Some of us are still holding out for him, but we're losing hope. Not admitting Clinton won is a big

... character flaw... she won, admit that at least

[calimary]

117. That bothered me, too, uponit7771.

Not only that there was no endorsement, but he barely mentioned her, except to say he'd had a meeting with her and that they disagreed on some things but agreed on other things. Period. That was IT. No acknowledgement that she won, no even begrudging congratulations, which would have added a really classy note to his speech. There was no conciliatory reach-out to those of us in the Hillary camp who also worked hard and volunteered and donated and voted (because if he REALLY wants a political revolution that moves the massive numbers of voters needed to force meaningful change, he is going to need us Hillary people whether he wants to admit that or not). And yes I realize it was billed as a speech specifically to his supporters, which also meant it was not inclusive nor was it intended to be.

Bernie Sanders could be the ultimate leader in unifying our party behind the REAL goal ahead - which is keeping the White House in Democratic hands. But he doesn't seem interested in that. Fact is, we DO have to unite. But I didn't feel as though he was speaking to someone like me, at all. And forgive me, but his speech tonight did sound an awful lot like all his other speeches throughout the campaign, with the familiar litany of complaints about everything gone wrong.

The problem, objectively as of now, is that the clock is ticking on the amount of leverage he can wield as a Senator, and as leader of this political revolution he still envisions. The longer he holds out, the more it will begin to reinforce what Barney Frank warned awhile back - that Bernie isn't a team player. The longer he holds out, the more he risks looking like he's simply in denial at best, or a sore loser at worst. The longer he holds out, the greater likelihood that he'll start building a reputation for poor-sportsmanship. That will squander whatever clout he's earned in all this time, and frustrate whatever changes he wants to see implemented. It shouldn't be his fate to wind up looking like a fool, but I'm afraid that's where he seems bent on heading. He's spent a LOT of years in politics and public service. This shouldn't be how his career ends.

What bothered me most was the follow-up report featuring the small gathering of Bernie supporters for a watch party in a diner here in L.A. Two young women were interviewed. They both in all seriousness told the reporter they were still holding out hope that Bernie would be the nominee. I don't think it's right to keep supporters' hopes up like that, when the door is closed, Hillary has steadily gained in important endorsements including those from some of Bernie's own super delegates, and there's NOT likely to be any indictment or other intervention to take her out of action. Hell, the FBI hasn't even called to talk to her in all this time. You'd think if there was something afoot in that department, that there's been enough investigation time to have them swarming her by now.

I was hoping for better from him. Perhaps we'll see that part of him in a few more days?

[Number23]

149. Very nicely said.

[Surya Gayatri]

218. ^^^This!^^^

No acknowledgement that she won, no even begrudging congratulations, which would have added a really classy note to his speech.

As I said elsewhere:

Graceless and gauche...among others, those are the defining chacteristics of the Sanders campaign.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1038&pid=3316

[cherokeeprogressive]

118. You, are not US. Stop pretending to be.

[uponit7771]

163. OVERT Strawman, never claimed to be IE the "some" word... good try though

[MaeScott]

200. It's the script for Brockettes...good cop bad cop, so on

[AlbertCat]

263. she won, admit that at least

Can we wait till she... y'know.... actually wins?

[Puglover]

342. I can no longer see.

The fucking irony of this post "Nothing new, just a list of complaints, demands, accusations, and self congratulatory plea for continued attention" from the OP caused my eyes to permanently roll back in their sockets.

Honestly I don't believe there is any coming back from this.

[Txbluedog]

17. This will come as a surprise to no one...

Under 40 and I have less use for him than I do a snowplow here in Texas

[bravenak]

25. True that

[JonLeibowitz]

85. With Hillary's climate plan you'll have less use for that snowplow!

[pkdu]

108. With Bernies help, we could turn those snowplows into

Sig Sauer MPXs .

[cherokeeprogressive]

119. Because it never snows in Texas. Ever. Never has, never will. No snowflakes in Texas. Ever.

Nope nope.

[global1]

20. You Need To Put Your Hate For Bernie To A Better Purpose....

Hillary won - or didn't you hear?

She's running against Trump not Bernie anymore.

You need to channel your energies and hate toward Trump and the Repugs now and get over the Dem Primary.

If all the Hillary supporters - like yourself - channeled their cute quips and cuts about Bernie towards Trump and the Repugs - Hillary will win by a landslide and we can probably give her the Senate and the House to boot.

Get over Bernie - he lost and he knows it.

Put yourself to serving your presumptive nominee now and use your posts hear on DU and in social media to wipe out Trump and the Repugs. Please!!!!!!!

[angstlessk]

21. I am under 65 and hail this 'revolution'

WOW, where did your anger come from? I want the Democrats to go back to their roots...I prefer FDR Democrats vs 3rd way ones!

[MariaThinks]

36. what revolution? What is needed is an improved tax system, more social programs

the real revolution should be gun control - which Bernie doesn't care enough even after last weekend's slaughter.

he's too busy attacking the only party that would give him a platform.

[ArcticFox]

156. echo that

[leftinportland]

23. So much hate...

[mcar]

26. Under 60 and I'm with you

Do not get the strategy here or through his entire campaign.

[bravenak]

30. It makes no damn sense

[mcar]

34. With all that's happened in the past coup!e weeks

We need cohesion, not Sander's fighting an already lost battle.

[bravenak]

37. Like watching a sad clown show

Weaver really got on my nerves

[mcar]

51. I don't watch much tee vee news

But stuff I've read about him makes me think he wasn't ready for primetime.

[bravenak]

54. He's not. He should be getting ready for comic-con or something like that

[mcar]

55. ..

[Demsrule86]

28. I am all in for economic justice...but I want nothing to do with Bernie Sanders ever. nt.

[bravenak]

33. Exactly

[Demsrule86]

194. We have discussed income inequality for years.

Long before Bernie Sanders ran for president. I don't see how his movement can grow as he has excluded those who could help him...I am boots on the ground every election...I know how to organize and get out the vote. But I would do exactly nothing for Sanders.

[TheKentuckian]

187. Or anyone else that will make it a priority which was Sanders' "original sin" for a lot of you

I strongly believe.

Add that to an actual effort to challenge the Queen rather than serve as hippy punching bag and loyal sheepdog to round up pissed off liberals and the "problems" with Sanders are fully encapsulated.

[Demsrule86]

193. No, his sin is not conceding and endorsing when he lost

The pretense that the primary is not over until the convention which has never been done makes me think this is an attack on the first woman nominee...and I will never forgive or forget. I did the spring groups a few years ago...tried to work with Occupy...to stop mortgage foreclosures...I want progressive change, but I have come to dislike Bernie too much to get involved in anything he sponsors. I am a Democrat...he is not.

[Autumn]

251. You people hated him well before he lost. Some of you hated him the moment he announced.

[Demsrule86]

315. I used to like Bernie until he began the attacks on Hillary. nt

[Whimsey]

47. So everyone who does not support Bernie is anti-semitic?

That seems to be an underlying thread of some supporters of Bernie. So because you do not support Hillary you are anti-Christian?

[bvf]

52. You must be new here.

[Whimsey]

91. Well, your prior post accused the poster of anti-semitism

when the poster said nothing about Sander's religion. You tend to equate anyone criticizing Sanders as being anti-Semitic. That is a false conclusion.

I got a hide on a post critical of Sanders and one of the four jurors cited his/her dislike of anti-Semitic Hillary supporters when my post had nothing to do with his religion. So you want to criticize someone for making an anti-Semitic slur, go for it. But do not turn every critical comment of him into an anti-Semitic slur.

[JonLeibowitz]

86. Some posters have said very ugly things about jews. Some posters.

[QC]

125. And other posters are very, very eager to cover that up.

I wonder any any decent person would do such a thing.

[840high]

132. Are you mew here? Everyone knows

what she posted.

[TNProfessor]

39. He needs to take a damn seat. nt

[bravenak]

43. Yes he does

[Whimsey]

41. Over sixty and agree with you

Bernie has lived the best in his life this past year in traveling, eating out and purchasing wardrobes (and his 10 member family trip to Rome) than he ever has in his whole life. Of course he wants the revolution to continue. Students of history can tell you, that revolutions simply result in a different group of haves and have nots. Bernie's is no different. There has never been a revolution that resulted in everyone being a have.

[bravenak]

45. He lapped this lifestyle up like a cat at the cream bowl

[Hissyspit]

164. And Hillary's lifestyle?

Your shit gets so old. This has to be one of the most useless, pathetic OPs I've ever seen here.

[AlbertCat]

175. He lapped this lifestyle up like a cat at the cream bowl

These hysterical accusations tell us more about you than anything.

[bravenak]

247. Blah blah blah

Like I care what strangers who hate me think about what I say.... I don't. Don't care at all but it does crack me up that they follow me around to whine that I write words.

[AlbertCat]

257. Like I care

Well, we know that! (and we don't care either)

But you will keep putting yourself out there with a HUGE target on your back.

I suggest you stick with protected groups so your obsequious buddies and you can just agree over and over and feel superior.

[SMC22307]

329. Protest a little more about how much you don't care, Gertrude.

We *totally* believe you.

[panader0]

49. I think by now that most DUers know where you're coming from.

In spite of your obviously unfelt apologies....
"Pessimistic and depressing'??? LOL...
And you can rest assured he will get more than "ONE DAMN MINUTE" at the convention.

[bravenak]

50. Oh please

[leftofcool]

176. Probably not even a minute. Rules are rules.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

57. I feel sorry for you. So much self righteous hate.

[bravenak]

58. Oh please

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

62. And drama as well.

Besides being completely unbelievable, and your provecations quite clear, what other virtues do you posses?

[MaeScott]

202. Say that again..self righteous hate from so called"progressives" lol

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

338. Whatever that means...

[La Lioness Priyanka]

59. what Revolution?

[bravenak]

63. Ain't no revolution unless we there

[La Lioness Priyanka]

67. So true. I too am well under 45 and want no part of this

Whining party passing for a revolution

[bravenak]

69. Fauxvolution

[EffieBlack]

60. I had a similar reaction

"It's about a . . . it's about b . . . it's about c" followed by a long litany of everything he thinks is wrong with the country with absolutely no mention of any solution made the speech sound like a parody. I was hoping for something uplifting and uniting, but instead, it was just one more hymn to his choir without a hint of grace.

How disappointing - and what a wasted opportunity.

[bravenak]

65. I really expected something new or different

Same old same old

[Thinkingabout]

61. I'm over sixty and I am with both Bravenak and Hillary.

[eastwestdem]

66. Luckily, many millenials who are too smart for his revolution. As soon as they heard his promises,

they knew that they were empty. There was never any substance to his ideas, and pure idealism is not a winning strategy.

[calimary]

240. My kids fit that description.

Both of them are Millennials. And both of them voted for Hillary, a choice they each came to on their own, without any prompting from me. My daughter even said, unsolicited, "he doesn't offer any concrete solutions, just a lot of complaining." She said she liked Hillary better because Hillary had specific ideas and spelled out ways to implement them. But then again, both my kids are pretty doggone practical in their thinking.

[yallerdawg]

72. Nice try, Bernie.

[rjsquirrel]

74. Hear, hear eom

[TheFarseer]

75. OK OK

You love it when the rich get their way and you're a sore winner. Got it.

[bkkyosemite]

76. Someone seems quite angry. Bernie is still a candidate and he is going to the convention........

[Gothmog]

78. Sanders is a grumpy and bitter old man

[bravenak]

84. He needs to chill

[madamesilverspurs]

82. Dragging it out won't change the outcome.

[blackspade]

87. Another one of these posts?

Ridiculous.

[bravenak]

93. The continued refusal to concede is the cause of the exasperation

And the constant tearing down of the party. Enough of that.

[blackspade]

96. The only thing tearing down the party are posts like the OP

so yes, enough of that.

[bravenak]

106. Um no

Calling us corrupt and making demands against the will of the rest of us who outvoted his side is tearing us down. He can go sit down somewhere and then I will personally stfu

[Silver_Witch]

134. You have promised more than once to stop this provoking

and yet you continue. So I can't believe you will ever STFU....

Egging people on is a hobby of yours.

[bravenak]

135. This is not any more provoking than the 'hillary under criminal investigation!!111!!' threads.

I'm not calling for jail or a trial or the FBI to take him away.

[Silver_Witch]

221. I have never made such a post! In facto think it is a silly meme!

That said how do posts such as that affect you and give you permission to act as rudely???? This OP is certainly not that!

I have a theory that many Hillary supporters keep pointing ng at Bernie because they got nothing to support their candidate. So they point to the other (you know the other) to distract from the fact the got nothing.

Prove me wrong. Go celebrate Hillary's victory. Post groovy reasons we should vote for her! Go outside and plant somthing or do something you love to celebrate your victory!!! Prove you have a winner as a candidate. It will be fun!

[alittlelark]

255. That is a VERY good point !!!

I think you are spot-on... Sad but true.

[TCJ70]

181. She's a Hillary supporter...

...like candidate like supporter I suppose...

[blackspade]

192. Ridiculous

This isn't warfare, it's politics. Comprise and reaching out are part of the game. The longer you PUMAs keep this up the more Democrats you alienate.

[Beacool]

92. What a difference from 2008.

Hillary lost the nomination by a hair. She and Obama each had 48% of the popular vote. His pledged delegate advantage was only 102. Yet, she conceded 4 days after the last primary ended. At the convention she released her delegates so that Obama could be nominated by acclamation. She immediately began campaigning for Obama.

Sanders is proving to be a small man. For moths he insisted that super delegates should switch to him due to some match-up polls. Never mind that he was far behind in pledged delegates and the popular vote. He appears to at least have let go of that undemocratic strategy. Unfortunately, he has yet to concede and will go all the way to the convention with his 1,900 delegates. I guess that the party can forget a Hillary nomination by acclamation.

Sigh.....

[bravenak]

94. If she had lost like he did....

People would be hounding her nonstop

[Beacool]

99. Hillary would have already shown a lot more class and conceded.

She wouldn't still be tilting at windmills and pointing out her differences with the nominee. She would also not hold on to her delegates at the convention and try to use them to gain concessions from the party and the nominee.

[bravenak]

102. Of course not. She has honor

One must have honor in their dealings, else they end up small and mean and alone

[progressoid]

95. ...

[akbacchus_BC]

97. Are you here to annoy Mr. Sanders supporters? Keep up the good work!

People like you are not helping Mrs. Clinton. You are not a healer, you are instigating animosity! Do carry on!

[jack_krass]

100. +1

[bravenak]

103. Say that on the Email threads and the silly threads about the election being stolen

And then get back to me and i might stfu

[7wo7rees]

110. Promise?

[bravenak]

111. Sure. Get them to stop and I will GLADLY STFU.

[7wo7rees]

113. Boorish and done again with you Brave.

[bravenak]

114. Awww!

[azurnoir]

116. Just think Debbie wasserman Schultz

[jack_krass]

101. Good

[7wo7rees]

104. Super, brave, just super!

[bravenak]

107. Just so

[cherokeeprogressive]

120. 55 here and LOVING the way Bernie Sanders has tied DU colons in knots. Fucking. Loving. It.

Yup.

[bravenak]

129. Oh yes. It's so fun.

Or not, cause it sucks.

[SMC22307]

330. Perhaps you're not cut out for politics.

What goes on at DU is child's play. Get out from behind the safety of your keyboard and get dirty in the real world.

[Jackilope]

178. 55 here, loving the encouraging and passing the torch to supporters

Bernie is definitely a man with vision and we are going to be better for it. "Be involved, run for offices, be engaged." "We, not me."

This is a long distance run. It is nurturing and encouraging any of us fed up with the system to do something about it. If someone wants to sit on the path with arms crossed and snear "Oh please" as a deterrent, we run past the stubborn road block and keep moving forward.

The Democratic Party could have recognized that with Occupy there is growing anger at corruption and dirty politics, but chose to distance, disrupt, and disenfranchise further as they chose money over people. There is a second chance to actually pick up youth and those of us not happy with the cronyism and politics as usual. It will be interesting to see if the party will evolve or get back to where it was before Koch tentacles or not. The race and long distance run goes on with or without it.

[Cha]

123. "The tedious revolution" he missed the historic Dem Filibuster on Gun Sense to hone that?

he must have had tons of fans hanging on every word though.. no?

Excellent OP..Thank you, brave

[bravenak]

126. Gawd. I'd be surprised if anybod made it all the way through that speech

I know msnbc didn't. Another boring diatribe

[Cha]

131. I heard 218,000.. out of how many fans? hmmm

[bravenak]

133. Losing their attention

Soon he will be back in the senate, in a rush to get on msnbc like the rest of the senators

[Cha]

139. Oh you do you Not get between BS and a mic..

[bravenak]

143. Oh hell no!

Better not.

[TSIAS]

220. MSNBC isn't a good example

They're the same network that shows an empty Trump podium for an hour.

They cover every insane rant from Trump, yet didn't even show Sanders' full speech. I guess he isn't as good for ratings.

[bravenak]

249. He is terrible for ratings because he lost already

He said nothing new so why would they bother??

[HERVEPA]

130. What happened to that new leaf you supposedly turned over?

Geez, talk about pleas for attention

[bravenak]

138. It died when he refused to accept that he did not win

Quite revolutionary. It took me by surprise. Besides, this is necessary. I promised not to post any UNNECESSARY criticism.

[Cha]

141. That was my best guess!

[jillan]

137. I'm 60 and he can count me IN this revolution.

[MisterP]

142. "I'm sick of Sanders saying the deck's stacked against him: I hope they stack the deck against him!"

[bravenak]

144. He LOST!!!!!

No campaign speeches at the DNC Convention! Dang!!

[betsuni]

146. At least the revolution has gone from a vague "march on Washington" to grassroots organizing.

I only watched the speech once so it may have been my imagination, but I came away being a little offended at the passive-aggressive "old rich Democrats are the real problem" vibe.

[bravenak]

147. It Felt very much like we were being attacked

As usual. I'll believe there is some purpose to this when I see some Results.

[Number23]

151. He and his crew -- including the handful of his supporters who show up in EVERY SINGLE THREAD

THAT YOU POST to remind you how horrible you are (excuse me while I my ass off at these people) -- are still demanding that ransom huh?? And obviously mad as hell that they are starting to realize that it is never, EVER going to come.

[MrWendel]

152. +1000

[bravenak]

153. Everytime I hear a new list of demands I think of this song

https://m.

As for my FANS, I enjoy watching them get all upset by the fact that I refuse to play with them. Too boring to watch people repeat themselves and add nothing to the convo.

[bravenak]

160. I bet the lack of attention will cause even more bombastic diatribes

[melman]

159. lol

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512106543

[alittlelark]

256. LOL !!!! OMG - I ad no idea it was out there!!

[CrawlingChaos]

161. Every time you post this crap I love Bernie more

Thanks for always underscoring so vividly how wonderful Bernie is and just how appalling the alternative side is. Strengthens my resolve. Thanks a bunch.

[bravenak]

162. I do it for you

[Sunsky]

165. Same here

I must confess that I actually bought into his speeches at first, luckily I came to my senses before the primaries here in Fl. I would've been filled with regret had I voted for him.
I am very proud to be a part of the 08 revolution.

[hobbit709]

166. And I'm 65 and I don't believe Hillary walks on water.

[randome]

167. He will end up with the same record of accomplishment as he has in the Senate.

Some small changes around the margins. It's a pity. We need more than someone endlessly repeating what the Democratic Party stands for. It's long past time to start working on that but he seems blind to reality.

[bravenak]

275. Nobody running would make big changes sides Trump

And we know what he'd do.... Funny to think Bernie was my first choice when he launched, and now I am just tired of the repetitive nonsense.

[randome]

285. My daughters prefer him to Clinton & I don't blame them.

But they're not blind to reality, either. They know who our nominee is and it's past time to start supporting her.

This latest 'bunker speech', reciting what the Democratic Party currently stands for, does no one any good. It's time he stopped preaching and started doing.

[bravenak]

293. My cousin was all for him too

He has moved on now. He really just talks about the bad but has no solutions.

[AlbertCat]

169. Not interested in hearing one more damn word ...

... from antisemites.

[B Calm]

171. 65 years old here! I find Bernie inspiring!

[FarPoint]

177. I'm a long time Hillary Supporter....

All my kids support Bernie. They grew up going to DC with me, protesting Bush/ Cheney War... they attended many, many Democratic campaign events , etc... I'm just glad they continue being involved..ages now 19 to 25.😃...

One is attending Culinary School in Vermont...most understanding for him...we live in Ohio.

[Jackilope]

179. That is great parenting! Great to see them engaged, isn't it!?

My Dad got me involved in a campaign he was volunteering for in '72, same year McGovern was running. (Same hometown and state as McGovern). That stuck with me. I volunteered knocking on doors in college and through my adult life. I've taken my children to labor rallies and to see Obama when he ran in '08. They see me in petition drives and knocking on doors. I am hoping they will be active and involved as well.

[FarPoint]

183. I had a similar upbringing; passed it along to my children...

As did your parents and the tradition continues...It's a good thing. I exposed them to thinking about what was going on in life, not forcing my opinion onto them, yet educating them to seek out information, the proper channels to agree, how to collectively make community changes, to accept defeat but not give up as well.

Good job Jackilope/

[truebrit71]

188. And this, ladies and gentlemen is a perfect example of why many Bernie supporters will not vote for

Hillary Clinton...

With this sort of ignorant, short-sighted, vitriolic bile it will be almost impossible to "bring the party together"...

Congratulations! You are the shining example of how NOT to unify the party.

[LexVegas]

189. ...

[truebrit71]

190. So you think party dis-unity is a good thing?

[VulgarPoet]

201. I tried this shit back in March. They just don't care.

Don't waste the electrons.

[VulgarPoet]

195. I dunno about anyone else, but I'm certainly not surprised by anything I just read here.

eom

[disillusioned73]

199. Umm..

You were never IN..

[stonecutter357]

203. K&R!

[lib87]

205. He's Still at it?

I'll enjoy watching him for entertainment purposes.

[stonecutter357]

207. I don't care about Bernie Sanders.

[bravenak]

246. Me neither. I usually don't even say his nane

[leeroysphitz]

209. GOOD RIDDANCE. N/T

[MillennialDem]

210. And you can count me out of voting for her.

[NastyRiffraff]

376. Who cares?

Tick, tock....

[dirtydickcheney]

216. Please let me know when HRC starts to challenge corporate money in a meaningful way!

Because everything i see from her gives me the impression that she's perfectly fine with it and wants to do everything in her power to help Big Money amass even more of it.

When she challenges Big Money in a way that'll hurt them its profitability let me know.

For example, Bernie effectively said he'd put the Health Insurance companies out of business and in a way that would make costs go down for the consumer.... you know? Just like EVERY OTHER DEVELOPED NATION with the exception of just one which pays at least 35% more in per-capita health care expenditure than the next highest.

That's not some 'pie-in-the-sky' platform that can't be achieved. The only reason I see that it "can't be done" is because those health care profits are just sooo magical in the USA that we live much longer and have more doctor visits than any other country... except we don't do either of those things.

[nolabels]

225. Just interchange the words 'politics' and 'revolution', that will make it easy on you.

The old adage 'You either do politics or politics will be done to you' often goes a long mile even in the boomerang

[HassleCat]

226. We don't need no stinking Bernie votes!

Write him off! So long to him and the supporters he rode in on! Socialist! Progressive socialist!

[bravenak]

248. We really don't. People make themselves unneeded

He doesn't own the votes of those who voted for him. Most of his former voters are now Hillary voters.

[alittlelark]

279. I tink you missed te obvious sarcasm......

[rock]

228. Agreed

He's completely irrelevant now (except for being extremely annoying).

[rhett o rick]

229. Wow, that's not very Democratic or democratic. Looks like you prefer an Aristocracy

and have the banksters pick the countries leader. This democracy thing is too messy, right? Don't let anyone speak at the convention unless they show fealty to Clinton. Yikes, what has our party come to when voices for the People are shut up?

[tarheelsunc]

268. Nope, the PEOPLE chose Hillary. Scoreboard.

I'm sorry that some of you don't respect the will of the people.

[rhett o rick]

297. First of all the rigged election system chose Hillary the Powers That Be's candidate

just like in 2000 and 2004. I respect the will of the People and not the will of the Banksters and Wall Street. There are a lot of Democrats that do not like Clinton and they are People with will. And of all the eligible voters very few support Hillary. Will of the People my back-pocket. The DNC didn't want a primary and why is that? They already had been told by the Big Money who would be the candidate. But the progressive voices of America have spoken and we want an honest government, not one dominated by Citizens United, Special Interests and the Billionaires. Hey I understand why some people prefer the perceived comfort of having the big bullies (major corporations) looking after them.

All Democrats agreed during the Bush Admin that we were being stripped of our voting rights, our freedoms and liberties and our resources. And since Bush it's only gotten worse for the 99%. It's unreasonable to expect an Admin that was funded by Special Interests to work to help those among us that are struggling. I guess we can tell the 2.5 million homeless children that we can't help them because we are being pragmatic.

Shame on those that side with the Big Corporations in lieu of the 99%.

[noiretextatique]

230. Your hostility to positive change and progress is noted

[Logical]

237. More whining

[bravenak]

298. True

[harun]

241. Your courage in the face of such strife is breathtaking.

[bravenak]

250. I agree

[SMC22307]

331. ...

Hacking away at a keyboard... oh, the sacrifice!

[Karmadillo]

242. OK

[Orsino]

243. Up the Establishment! Down with change!

What an inspiring call for inaction.

[colsohlibgal]

245. Count Me So In

The system is so, so rigged. He has pointed that out, shame on him? Really?

I have loved the cartoon "Non Sequitor" the last few days....the guy who writes it can be like Tom Tomorrow in pointing out our more than corrupt system as well as people who try to rationalize our inane ways.

The truth is Congress is run by legalized bribery.

[coyote]

252. You were never "IN" to start with

Quit your moanin.

[WhiteTara]

253. I thought that it was interesting that he counted his volunteers

I haven't heard Hillary tout her numbers, votes, delegates, volunteers. She just keeps on talking about what matters to people and her plans to make things work for all of us.

To paraphrase Bernie, "We're tired of hearing about you damn numbers"

[TSIAS]

264. "18 million cracks in the glass ceiling"

Even when she lost embarrassingly and was humiliated in 2008, she made sure everyone knew exactly how many votes she received. It was fair when she did it then. There's nothing wrong with Bernie now.

[WhiteTara]

265. Then she graciously conceded and

nominated Barrack Obama to be president. I wonder if Bernie will do that?

[NurseJackie]

266. Nope.

Based on his behavior so far, I doubt he'll even attend the convention.

[WhiteTara]

267. Oh, you just spoiled the surprise!

If he doesn't get a prime time speaking slot, I bet he won't show up either. I hadn't thought of that until you said that. That would be really sad.

[NurseJackie]

273. Sad and funny. But not unexpected. And it will help to illustrate ...

... why he would have been a horrible nominee. And if he does do as I anticipate, it will help to illustrate why all of our criticisms of his being "un-presidential" (particularly his demeanor during the debates) were right on target from the very beginning.

It makes no sense for me to say that he'd have been a terrible president, because he could never actually be elected. The well-funded GOP smear machine would have thoroughly decimated him.


Go, Hillary! Beat Trump!

[bravenak]

271. Very prideful he is

[Rockyj]

258. Yep that's the way to GO...

Preferring corruption, Wall St., voter fraud and suppression, TPP, lies, 1%, WARS & more wars!

[juxtaposed]

269. i'm pretty happy to hear you will not be partaking in our revolution. Hate is not part of it!

[bravenak]

272. There is no revolution

[juxtaposed]

274. finish your sentence.. That one would want you part of.

[bravenak]

276. I would. If the revolutionaries were a diverse group and intersectional

But that is not the case. At all. In any way. Since the beginning on that regatta with the monochromatic afficionados.

[juxtaposed]

280. This brings me back to you and only you.. I have spent my life not turning a blind eye toward

racism and with you, you put your less than 45 yrs. old foot out there so all could see..
wish you luck in shedding what you have posted in the past..

[bravenak]

283. Good luck keeping this 'oh my god look how bad bravenak is' thing going forever

I notice that most of those folks said not one word, not one peep and many even rec'd the posts of the anti black banned troll willyt. Not a word did they say to him about his many anti black posts, not one apology for the nasty stockholm syndrome vileness. But they follow me around and pray for my soul. Cracks me up.

[juxtaposed]

286. I'm sorry, I've read your posts from other sites and will not read your post above.

I've dealt with hate all my life as most of use have. Weather being the subject of or witness of hate, I think most ppl. have experienced it. I just got back from Orlando where I spent a week seeing what one person with so much hate could do that has effected so many. physically and emotionally I am exhausted.

I do not respect you b/c of what you have posted elsewhere.

[bravenak]

287. It is affected not effected

I have been the subject of many posts right here calling me durty name and being hateful. I have many screenshots of even folks using the n word on this very site that I send to admins. I watched folks defend the right to call Obama 'niggerized' on this very site. I never once saw you denounce that vile racialized name calling of Barack Obama so I take the idea of your respect towards me with a grain of salt.

[juxtaposed]

288. as i stated above be good. spell check me often

[bravenak]

289. Grammar check not spell check

[juxtaposed]

291. refer to post below

[juxtaposed]

290. no shit!!! It is a big grain of salt!! Bigger than all salt crystals. Also you know what most ppl.

think of spell checkers aka: (spelling nazi's).

[bravenak]

292. Grammar checkers.

[juxtaposed]

294. why are u so abrasive? Do you enjoy it for some reason

[bravenak]

295. It is my response to people who use personal attacks.

[juxtaposed]

296. thats a response to the recent post but, you've been abrasive for the whole thread?

[juxtaposed]

299. lets wait and see what the jury says

[bravenak]

301. Oh you must be here to alert me. I get it, that's cool. Whatever gives you joy is fine with me.

[juxtaposed]

303. Im not a racist nor antisemitist, you should be also!

[bravenak]

304. Blah blah blah...

[juxtaposed]

306. i've never spoken or stated or felt what you've posted on other sites. blah. hate has results.

Orlando is what happens when ones hate of others is not called into check.

[bravenak]

307. Boring

[juxtaposed]

308. well put, it is who u are. live with it. Ive seen your kind all over hate radio and other places.

[bravenak]

311. My kind? Tsk tsk tsk

[bravenak]

313. I never said I hated anybody except certain supporters

[bravenak]

316. I posted it because he made another non concession speech that I did not like

[bravenak]

320. Let's chat about me another time

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

339. You haven't done yourself any favors with your sh:t stirring and vitriol against Clinton or Sanders

I'm not sure how anybody could take you seriously any longer.

I don't.

[bravenak]

345. I really do not give a care what you thibk about anything

If anybody is shit stirring, it's all these people with a bunch of hides that follow m from op to op. I would think that if I was just full of shit, people would ignore me. But since I predicted this outcome every step of the way, people seem to blame me for their loss. No. It was their own damn behaviour in thinking they were smarter and better than folks like me that made them to proud to win.
You guys can stop taking it out on me now and start taking credit for any failures you all might have. Because you kicking a few days old thread just to be mad that I wrote it is ridiculous. You ain't all that Yourself.

It's only shit stirring if I don't agree with you. The same hypocrites that follow me to shut me up never say one damn word to the people trolling against the actual damn nominee, hillary.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

348. What I read in your post is "victim, victim, victim"' but what I have seen / read from you is

Jus stirring the pot.

There are posts of yours where you were priding yourself on being an irritant while being warned, by somebody that was still on your side, to stop.

The Internet remembers, brave.

You are a shadow of what you once were IMHO.

[bravenak]

351. And i noticed a bunch of people who changed into

Damn near cultists this season and I just don't do that fucking swooning over politicians thing. Not even with obama. What you see is me speaking blasphemy and no victim here. Most of my fans will be gone soon and I am delighted.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

356. There's a difference between swooning, common sense and making trouble for trouble's sake.

You earned your own bad press. Deal.

[bravenak]

358. It was fucking swooning like a bieber concert

That's why i could not stand it at all. Politicians are shits. Swooning over them is creepy as hell.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

362. There's a difference between swooning and shit stirring. No?

[bravenak]

364. No, apparently

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

367. Opinions vary.

[CBGLuthier]

277. OK, that's nice. Thanks for giving a shit about the future.

I guess you like the world we have. OK, that's just OK. Me, I am sick to fucking death of the system. Blow it all the fuck up already.

[bravenak]

278. He is not the fucking future

I am. Like most millennials I will help shape the future and it will not look like his base. It will look like America and not be stuck on old ideas of the past as the pathway to the future. I hate the nostalgic look backs to the times in america where blacks were treated like crap.

[7wo7rees]

326. Wow. I swore the other night to myself not to engage with you again

But really Brave, you are the future? Just shoot me.

Ms. 7wo7tees

Oh, by the way, I am 59.

[bravenak]

327. I am the future

[7wo7rees]

328. Just sad if that is the case. Take it Brave.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

341. Somehow that sounds like a hollow slogan.

But whatever opiate gets you through the off-time...

[bravenak]

346. Yeah, whatever

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

350. Pretty much sums up 2016 Bravenak. sad.

[bravenak]

352. Funny how some folks come to DU to discuss me.

I tend to think they must be boring as hell in real life.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

361. If you start an OP then expect commentary. If start an OP then cry "everybody is looking at me"

I would have to say you want it.



Still sad.

[bravenak]

363. This op is from thursday

Boring

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

365. And, yet you are the one complaining. I merely responded to your comment...

From yesterday.



Your retort is a little silly now. No?

[bravenak]

366. Actually, hon, you are complaining about me. Even in your FIRST response.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

368. Are you now going to pretend to ignore that you are active in this thread as late as yesterday??

Are you going to ignore that if you create an OP you should expect others to respond??

[bravenak]

369. I am saying that I wrote this op and you are complaining

Complain all you want, feel free.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

370. You wrote it and yet were active in it yesterday...while decrying that it was written on Thursday.

Deal with it.

But I also understand your MO. Write and OP that stirs it up then complain when everybody points that out.

It must be pretty lonely where you are if this is the only way to deal with humans.

[bravenak]

373. You are the ones who keep kicking it back to the top

If you hate it so much, stop kicking it.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

374. And there is the sad self victimization again.

There is no "we", my dear. I am not part of any conspiracy.

Nobody is after you WRT this post AFAIK. When you make hollow statements then just own them instead of playing the victim or saying "leave me alone."

It appears more juvenile each time I see one of these posts only to watch the authors cry when they get called on it.

[bravenak]

375. Are you crying?

I'm not. I don't mind you kicking it, but you seem to mind it's existance.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

377. You should understand that the "Thanks for the kick" shtick doesn't work on me.

It is irrelevant as a point of discussion. Whether an OP is kicked or not is a non-starter.

What is more interesting, thought, is when you became an attention hound or drama queen.

Perhaps you were one all along? :Shrug:

Posting flame bait to keep attention on oneself is a rather obvious tool for those who desperately crave the spotlight.


You have already owned up to others in previous posts as to what you have been doing here.


Own it.

[bravenak]

378. You seem to be very stuck on discussing me. I am just watching you get yourself angry

and lob personal attacks my way. If this is how you enjoy yourself, who am I to stand in your way? We both know I don't care what anybody who despises me thinks about me, since they are strangers. But I guess you think your words affect me, so I can politely watch you Get yourself lathered up for a while. If you enjoy the idea of me being oh so very saddened by your displeasure, that's cool. Kinda funny, and I enjoy a laugh as much as the next person. Got my doobie and my bic so keep em comin, lol

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

380. I was just wondering when you became self-obsessed with your obvious MO.

It is almost the same level of obsession that shira possesses.

As to angry, you really don't know how to read people nearly as well as you believe that you do.

But as to reading you... The internet is full of your posts.


Have fun with your doobie, but smoking isn't necessarily good for you.

[bravenak]

381. Glad you having a good time thinking about my ops

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

383. They don't require much thought: to read or to post...IMHO.

[bravenak]

384. They sure cause a lot of discussion. Which is the point of a discussion forum. Ta ta

[Puglover]

344. 62

And I will fight you for the bullet.

[AgingAmerican]

282. So you are a tool of the establishment?

The establishment exists to preserve/protect white privilege.

[cheapdate]

305. I'm over 50 and I give mad respect to Sanders, or anyone else,

willing to stand up and demand changes that expand social justice and call for desperately needed changes in this country.

Vote early, vote often, vote Democrat.

[Logical]

323. I agree, you are not liberal enough to be a Bernie supporter. nt

[bravenak]

325. I am way to his left on SJ

And many other issues

[ThinkCritically]

332. Way to be unified buddy.

I keep trying to like Hillary supporters but I just can't like some of you. You are incredibly arrogant, rude, and just plain mean people. But that's ok. You see how well that is going to help you in the future.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

343. If you were to review her posting history you would find out she is neither.

[Scurrilous]

334. Boink!

[ThinkCritically]

336. You were never in it to begin with. This post is moot. Just flame bait.

[bravenak]

337. He loves to claim he had the under 45s

He can count me OUT

[melman]

340. Nice 'Al Giordano for Senate' sig

How is that anything but trolling?

[bravenak]

347. Because I support DEMOCRATS and will never ever ever support an indy over A DEMOCRAT

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

353. Anybody not willing to join in the "Don't Worry Be Happy" chorus should be barred or ejected.

Or, at least, severely penalized for failure to wave pom-poms vigorously.

[bravenak]

354. They can just stay home and eat a sandwich

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

355. Any particular kind of sandwich? Will it have to be apporved by the DNC?

[bravenak]

357. I think folks can decide on their own sammiches

I like a turkey, bacon, avacado, with colby jack when I am not interested in voting. I usually go and vote, but no pomp and circumstance. I have only liked my candidate for any office one time. Barack Obama. They rest are just fillers.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

359. As we can decide who to vote for.

I like my candidates for office just fine and will vote for one of them.

[bravenak]

360. I am one who never cares who others vote for

[Turin_C3PO]

371. You know,

Site Admin said that these kinda posts against all progressives, especially Clinton, but also against Sanders have to stop tomorrow.

[bravenak]

372. You know,

This is from Thursday And you guys keep it kicked.

[Turin_C3PO]

385. Yea,

I just saw it up on top of page, I didn't see date. I'm full on for Hillary, I just want the Primary bickering to stop.

[Loki Liesmith]

379. So you are not interested huh?

Probably a more concise way to say that.

[bravenak]

382. Verily

Though we all word things to suit ourselves, concise or not.