Please Bernie concede now!

[G_j]

So the party can move further back to the right again. Gotta get those Republican votes you know. This whole Bernie populist thing has been so inconvenient.

[Faux pas]

1. We're taking it to the convention

whether the right wing of the party likes it or not! Run Bernie Run!

[Dawgs]

2. But Hillary supporters think he's hurting himself and his movement.

Shouldn't Bernie and his supporters listen to them?

[JackRiddler]

67. "Hillary supporters" whoever those are

can think whatever they like. One of the most disingenuous things such supporters ever do is when they pretend to care for Sanders or the movements who happened to back Sanders. (The movements came first, he is theirs, by the way.) They don't. They only want them to go away.

[Octafish]

3. Alert Results

On Fri Jun 16, 2016, 01:17 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Please Bernie concede cows!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512198171

REASON FOR ALERT*

This post hurt my wittle feewings.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Why keep spreading this conspiracy shit here?

"These documents are currently not verified by the DNC, so they could be entirely made up by a creative writer. We will see if the DNC denies the reality of these documents."

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Jun 17, 2016, 01:08 PM, and the Jury voted 7-0 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I'll vote to hide as anything with the word conspiracy, especially when associated with the words "special prosecutor"
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Saying "conspiracy shit" makes it so -- or not so. Why not let intelligent people learn and discuss the topic for themselves?
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Post also was nicely debunked in the thread at Jackpine. No need to hide.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Even if the lunatics run the asylum, why give David Brock and the Republicans more ammunition? You know how much it COSTS to correct the record alla time?
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: It's the right forum for stacking stuff
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Because if I don't, who won't?

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

* JUST KIDDING!

[PJMcK]

52. Clever

Too bad the intense vitriol around here made it necessary for you to make sure everyone knew you were making a joke, Octafish. By the way, I was Juror #6; why do I have to explain myself? (wink)

[QC]

4. Bingo--that's what all this weeping and wailing and shitting of pantsuits

is about.

As long as that crazy old man is out there talking about things like income inequality, ruinous wars, and the like, the harder it will be for HRC to "pivot" away from her newfound liberal convictions and chase Republican votes.

[MelissaB]

13. Results of alert on this post.

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

The pantsuit reference is obvious and ugly. Nastiness is unnecessary.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Jun 17, 2016, 02:05 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not seeing a problem here? Should the poster have mentioned the price of the pantsuit as well?
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation:
rude


Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Leave it (for truth,) and add in some places.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This doesn't break any rules. I don't understand why it was alerted.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[QC]

16. Pretty much everything I post is alerted in hopes

of getting a hide through the law of averages.

It's par for the course around here.

[MelissaB]

17. It saddens me what this place has become.

It was my internet home.

[QC]

18. Me too. In the early years of the Bush Regime,

I lived in a solidly red state, and this was my lifeline.

Now it's an online re-enactment of the Stanford Prison Experiment.

[Fumesucker]

55. The good part is now you know a lot of them didn't really mean it back then

I lived in a solidly red state, and this was my lifeline.

Now it's an online re-enactment of the Stanford Prison Experiment.

Sometimes you can spot fault lines by looking at a map and sometimes they lie deep within the earth. So it is with politics, some fault lines are clearly visible all the time and some are only revealed when they slip and cause an earthquake.

[athena]

23. What's sad is that someone would make such a disgustingly derogatory statement

about our party's presumptive presidential nominee.

ETA: By the way, I was not the alerter and was not on the jury. If I had been on the jury, I would have voted to hide the post, just as I would have voted to hide a similarly derogatory post about Bernie.

[peace13]

40. Did you forget the sarcasm thingy?

[athena]

62. I'm surprised you would see sarcasm in a call for civility

and constructive criticism, as opposed to sexist personal attacks like "weeping and wailing and shitting of pantsuits."

If you can't state your criticism through logic and reason, without resorting to personal attacks, name-calling, and sexism, then perhaps your point is not as strong as you think it is.

[MelissaB]

59. OMG! You don't think Hillary moved to the left during the primary

because she had a challenger to her left? "Me, too" was her theme.

[athena]

63. Challenging someone from the left is fine.

What is not fine is sexist insults, personal attacks, and ego-based behavior that will only hurt the party's chances in November.

[MelissaB]

66. Great! I didn't see any of those things from Bernie.

[yuiyoshida]

57. Melissa you can always do what I do...

Hide out in the Asian group, ... We have free BOBA TEA!!

[MelissaB]

58. I may have to take you up on that.

Thanks!

[yuiyoshida]

60. You're welcome..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1250

Anyone who wants to come hide out is welcome...We even have our own jams... and yes, some of it is in English!

[JimDandy]

28. Clinton WEARS pantsuits! Unbelievable. What is ugly about that.

This targeting of Sanders supporters over nothing, zip, zilch, nada, nil, is getting beyond ridiculous.

[PJMcK]

53. Oh, yeah? Mr. Sanders wear MEN'S underwear! (wink, n/t)

[merrily]

33. Bernie talks about BOTH wealth inequality and income inequality.

Talk about income inequality is largely illusory. About all government is going to do about income inequality is MAYBE some parsimonious increase in the minimum wage over several yearS. While that ain't nothing for minimum wage workers, wealth inequality is the term used by people who are really ready to do something about economic justice.

[KPN]

5. It's hard to understand a basis for their outrage that Bernie hasn't said the words

I concede sand congratulate Hillary. If there is a legitimate reason for it, someone please tell me because I don't get it. Hillary is going to win against Trump whether Bernie concedes and congratulates her now or not at all.

So in the absence of being able to understand, I can only attribute it to authoritarianism which requires "playing along to get along", kissing up, following the rules, not rocking the boat, being a team player, etc., etc., in accordance with the rules, guidelines, standards and objectives of the authoritarian leadership in place. In other words, following blindly in order to belong or as they might like to put it, going with the flow.

In light of the blatant corruption in today's electoral and governance system, their behavior is actually quite sickening, if not cowardly.

[QC]

7. It's because some people approach politics like football,

and football, for its particularly stupid and crude fans, is all about spiking the ball and dancing in the end zone and calling people losers.

The idea that politics might be a way to make the world better never occurs to the superfanz.

[KPN]

10. Sometimes I think that is true. Too many political "fans" are all about

winning -- and not about outcomes on the ground.

[QC]

15. It wasn't always like that.

I think parts of it was that unity against Bush was easy--and people were willing to accept pretty much any position they could use against Bush. Once our guy (or gal) was doing stuff we didn't like there came the conflict between morals and team spirit.

And part of it is that a very different crowd pretty much took this place over and ran out a lot of the principled, smart posters. The new crowd liked to snark and chant slogans and celebrate when they got people banned. Sound familiar?

[peace13]

42. One exception..in football they count all of the points.

And if the teams are playing a game it is expected that both teams play by the rules...go figure!

[peace13]

73. When they pay me to watch football , I will.

Until then it matters not to me. Stolen elections, lies, war and thieving across the globe. That's a different story.

[Lord Magus]

14. It's shockingly arrogant to lose (in a landslide at that) and not even congratulate the winner.

Whether he chooses to endorse Hillary is a completely separate issue, but refusing to even acknowledge the reality that she won smacks of egotism.

[Electric Monk]

26. He got the most pledged delegates of any 2nd place Dem Pres candidate contender ever

(and with DWS's thumb firmly on the scale, at that) and you want to pretend that's a landslide? ROFL@U

[merrily]

29. Thank you. I had not realized that.

DWS's thumb was not the only one on the scale. Dem politicians, establishment media and the state parties all did their bit. Not to mention the disparity in name recognition and money. (Yes, Bernie raised a lot in small donations, but he had no PAC money.) And thirty years of brainwashing from the Party that liberals can't win the general. And who knows what was up with counting the votes.

[Lord Magus]

41. Whose fault is it that Bernie lacked name recognition?

He's been in Congress for 25 years, that was plenty of time he could've been building his national profile and laying the groundwork for his "political revolution."

And that claim about the Democratic Party "brainwashing" people is just complete garbage. Bernie doesn't own liberalism and the party does not oppose liberal candidates. Hillary is liberal whether you're willing to admit it or not.

[Fuddnik]

46. Yours

[merrily]

48. DLC, Third Way is not liberal and Hillary herself bristled when Matthews called her liberal.

Sorry you don't like the rest of my post, either. However, nothing in it was false. I stand by it.

[Lord Magus]

34. That's because the number of pledged delegates to BE won increased between 08 and 16.

This year there were 4051 pledged delegates, in 08 there were only 3569.5. In that race the second place candidate had 49% of the pledged delegates, compared to 45% for Bernie this year.

Hillary won the pledged delegates by 10 percentage points and the popular vote by 13. It's astonishing that you deny a double-digit win is a landslide. And whining about "thumbs on the scale" is a joke.

[KPN]

69. Hillary didn't concede graciously, she did waht she always does.

Made as calculation regarding what would benefit her ambitions best and then she ingratiated herself upon Obama -- maybe, most likely AFTER she had negotiated the SOS post.

Bernie's doing the same thing. Calculating how best to achieve his goals -- which are to root out and eliminate the broad-scale corruption that dominates our electoral and governance systems. Seems a rather selfless ambition as opposed to Hillary's. Conceding, congratulating and falling in line behind Hillary at this point will do nothing to achieve those ambitions.

Bernie has been overly gracious in not railing about the voter suppression that the DNC and the Clintons/Hillary campaign so openly orchestrated. It's astonishing that you deny the "thumbs on the scale" that obviously occurred throughout the primary. In so doing, you enable and approve of it to my way of thinking. Hardly democratic.

[Lord Magus]

71. That's because those claims of "voter suppression" are nonsense.

And yes Hillary absolutely did concede graciously.

[Fuddnik]

27. She has't won yet.

How shockingly arrogant to claim you've won something that you haven't.

Like a good Democrat, Bernie should never concede.

[Lord Magus]

30. Yes she has won yet.

Pretending that we don't have a winner yet when Hillary currently has nearly 2800 out of a required 2383 delegates is silly.

[Silver_Witch]

38. Have the delegates cast their vote yet?

Perhaps I misunderstand what the convention is for. I thought there would be a vote where the delegates will cast their vote for the Presidential Nominee. Did I miss the convention?

[Lord Magus]

43. The delegate vote at the convention is a formality, it's the PEOPLE's vote in primaries that matters

The outcome has already been decided. Every ballot in the primaries and caucuses has been cast.

[Fuddnik]

45. Cast, not counted.

[shambolic]

56. "authoritarianism ... requires "playing along to get along", kissing up,

authoritarianism ... requires "playing along to get along", kissing up, following the rules, not rocking the boat, being a team player, etc., etc., in accordance with the rules, guidelines, standards and objectives of the authoritarian leadership in place. In other words, following blindly in order to belong or as they might like to put it, going with the flow. "

Very very insightful explanation of authoritarianism. I had always assumed it was simply someone strong-arming people to comply. That playing along to get along to get along, team player etc is part of a process is really illuminating. Thanks for posting.

[dirtydickcheney]

6. Yes Please - let the Democrats be true to their Corporatist selves in Peace! For GOD'S SAKE!!

that's all

[eastwestdem]

8. Take it to the convention Sanders! It's fun watching you become increasingly irrelevant. nt

[senz]

22. If he's irrelevant, why y'all so excited? Relax, chill out.

[merrily]

31. I know, right?

Heaven forbid we expect our elected public servant representatives to represent and serve the majority, rather than continuing to make the wealthiest 1% to 10% even wealthier.

[Silver_Witch]

39. If Bernie really means nothing to you - why are you posting here?

Why are you posting on every Bernie thread if it is meaningless to you?

[felix_numinous]

9. Liberals are so damn annoying

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they think this world can be made better by having some sort of American Dream, they are so all delusional, best not to count their votes, or count them in! Done and done!!!

MIght is right anyway, and everyone knows it!1

[KPN]

11. There was a time when you would never hear something like that said

by a member of the Democratic Party. Then the GOP infiltrated or warped some folks' minds to believe in "responsible individualism" and "free market" solutions. Those poor souls have lost their way -- sold out to personal prosperity at the expense of society's prosperity. In simplest terms, GREED.

[kstewart33]

12. Three days left.

Can hardly wait.

[MelissaB]

19. WTF? Do you just copy and paste this everywhere?

[kstewart33]

20. Only when it's necessary.

[Fuddnik]

37. Me either, but for now I'll just put you on ignore.

[SaschaHM]

21. I hope Bernie takes it to the convention....

so we don't have to suffer through a Primetime speech that we've been hearing all campaign season.

[djean111]

51. YOU can always just change the channel. That's what the remote thingy is for.

I never watch or listen to a Clinton - that is such an easy thing to accomplish.
Just a thought! Or suggestion!

Playing a little fast and loose with the "we" thing, too. Speak for yourself.

[SaschaHM]

61. Nah, just speaking for that 16+mil plus that voted to end his presidential hopes.

We are tired of him. Are you saying that he shouldn't contest the nomination at the convention?

[djean111]

68. Nope. Not saying that at all.

Oh, and then - all "16+mil plus" of you Hillary supporters just need to learn to click the remote, turn the dial. That is what I do whenever I see a Clinton on my TV. Seriously - change the channel! When I click past a Clinton, it feels so very very good!

No one cares if you are tired of him. Just like I am sure you don't care if I have Clinton Fatigue. Best treated with Clinton Avoidance.

[athena]

24. Right. Because refusing to concede

pulls Hillary to the left.

In fact, refusing to concede only makes him irrelevant. It makes him look jealous and childish, which causes his message to be ignored. The wiser thing to do would have been to concede and endorse Hillary as obviously being a better choice than Trump, and then to go on speaking out about his causes.

[Fuddnik]

35. Why would he even want to endorse Clinton?

She's everything he's fought against his whole life, all wrapped up in one package.

And he would also lose credibility with his supporters.

Besides, she hasn't won anything yet. Why concede?

[athena]

64. Who do you suggest Sanders endorse in the general election?

If Clinton is "everything he's fought against his whole life, all wrapped up in one package", then what is the Republican nominee? Are you suggesting that Trump is closer to Bernie on the issues than Clinton is?

As for Clinton not having "won anything yet", we either have a massive double standard here, or massive denial.

[senz]

44. Bernie's refusing to concede sure makes Hill fans nervous.

Your compadre upthread is using "irrelevant," too. Is that the word of the day?

Making people nervous is the opposite of irrelevant.

[athena]

65. It should make you nervous.

Or do you prefer President Trump to President Clinton?

[senseandsensibility]

25. You are fighting the good fight

for all the right reasons.

[Fuddnik]

32. As DWS said to a progressive running for a Florida congressional seat when he asked for any support,

"Awww, don't give me that populist crap"!

[akbacchus_BC]

36. Why and when did Hillary Clinton made you her advocate?

Let Mr. Sanders do what he needs to do.

[Electric Monk]

47. Epic reading comprehension fail. nt

[Night Watchman]

49. You Lost

Wake up.

[Octafish]

50. Rightwing turdballs already own a party.

Why would they need two?



Other than they need ALL the money?

[Orsino]

54. Do the conventional thing!

Because politics as usual are working perfectly, and there are no problems we haven't already solved!

[Vinca]

70. Bernie could always demand $$$$ the way Hillary did in 2008.