2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum"Super delegates exist really to make sure that party leaders and elected officials don't have to be
"Super delegates exist really to make sure that party leaders and elected officials don't have to be in a position where they are running against grassroots activists." DWS
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)though, in reality, there is already a class of PLEO's so her talking point is bunk
TDale313
(7,820 posts)They're there to put a thumb on the scale for the party's preferred candidate.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)had Sanders won any combination of (2 or more) Pledged delegates, popular vote, and states won, the SDs would have gone for him. But if some nut managed to accomplish that, the SDs would have stepped in to protect the election/Party.
eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)DWS may be leaving, but the DNC remains the same. Not for me.
randome
(34,845 posts)And they have never overturned the will of the voters. They are there to prevent our own 'Trump' from taking over the party. It's a fair point to debate whether they are needed or not but to leave the party -even as one reason among many- because of something that has never been shown to be detrimental seems short-sighted.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)Alex4Martinez
(2,193 posts)Staph
(6,251 posts)that the Republicans wish that they had super-delegates right now. It would be the only way to wrest a few shreds of sanity back from the wacko wing of their party that insists that Donald Trump is qualified to run the country.
When I read comments about super-delegates in the Democratic party, I realize how many folks don't know the history of this party. From the Wikipedia entry on "Superdelegate":
After the 1968 Democratic National Convention, at which pro-Vietnam war liberal Hubert Humphrey was nominated for the presidency despite not running in a single primary election, the Democratic Party made changes in its delegate selection process to correct what was seen as "illusory" control of the nomination process by primary voters. A commission headed by South Dakota Senator George McGovern and Minnesota Representative Donald M. Fraser met in 1969 and 1970 to make the composition of the Democratic Party's nominating convention less subject to control by party leaders and more responsive to the votes cast in primary elections.
The rules implemented by the McGovern-Fraser Commission shifted the balance of power to primary elections and caucuses, mandating that all delegates be chosen via mechanisms open to all party members.[7] As a result of this change the number of primaries more than doubled over the next three presidential election cycles, from 17 in 1968 to 35 in 1980. Despite the radically increased level of primary participation, with 32 million voters taking part in the selection process by 1980, the Democrats proved largely unsuccessful at the ballot box, with the 1972 presidential campaign of McGovern and the 1980 re-election campaign of Jimmy Carter resulting in landslide defeats. Democratic Party affiliation skidded from 41 percent of the electorate at the time of the McGovern-Fraser Commission report to just 31 percent in the aftermath of the 1980 electoral debacle.
Further soul-searching took place among party leaders, who argued that the pendulum had swung too far in the direction of primary elections over insider decision-making, with one May 1981 California white paper declaring that the Democratic Party had "lost its leadership, collective vision and ties with the past," resulting in the nomination of unelectable candidates. A new 70-member commission headed by Governor of North Carolina Jim Hunt was appointed to further refine the Democratic Party's nomination process, attempting to balance the wishes of rank-and-file Democrats with the collective wisdom of party leaders and to thereby avoid the nomination of insurgent candidates exemplified by the liberal McGovern or the anti-Washington conservative Carter and lessening the potential influence of single-issue politics in the selection process.
Following a series of meetings held from August 1981 to February 1982, the Hunt Commission issued a report which recommended the set aside of unelected and unpledged delegate slots for Democratic members of Congress and for state party chairs and vice chairs (so-called "superdelegates" . With the original Hunt plan, superdelegates were to represent 30% of all delegates to the national convention, but when it was finally implemented by the Democratic National Committee for the 1984 election, the number of superdelegates was set 14%. Over time this percentage has gradually increased, until by 2008 the percentage stands at approximately 20% of total delegates to the Democratic Party nominating convention.
This process was not invented in a backroom by Hillary Clinton and Debbie Wasserman Schultz after Bernie Sanders threw his hat in the ring. It has existed for nearly 50 years, as a way of balancing the desires of Democratic voters with the experience of Democratic professionals and office-holders. It's not perfect. But we are going to end up with a candidate vastly superior to the Republican nominee.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Nominee, Hillary has the popular vote, she has more than a majority of pledged delegates, Trump is running in the RNC primary. It isn't a problem. Even Sanders went after the SD's seeking their support, ergo SD's are okay and acceptable, here to stay.