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Yavin4

(35,438 posts)
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 05:27 PM Jun 2016

My theory on why the media is turning on Trump

Trump is not spending money on ads. In the Republican primary, that was okay because Bush, Rubio, and Cruz were all spending money, but now that the general is here, Trump is not doing any major ad buys. He relied on free media coverage in the primaries and thought he could do the same in the general.

Because he's not spending any money, the media's coverage will grow increasingly negative and even hostile.

--On Edit--

Please don't read my post as somehow being pro-Trump. Far from it. The point of my post is that favorable/unfavorable media coverage is tied to how much money the candidates spend on ad buys. If Trump were dumping millions into ad buys, his coverage would be a lot more positive than it is now without him changing anything.

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My theory on why the media is turning on Trump (Original Post) Yavin4 Jun 2016 OP
Disagree... brooklynite Jun 2016 #1
+1 onenote Jun 2016 #2
The networks own many local stations Yavin4 Jun 2016 #3
Perhaps his attacks on the media calling them sleazes might also be a factor? kimbutgar Jun 2016 #4
It certainly couldn't have helped them feel better about him! nt eastwestdem Jun 2016 #10
Maybe so but.. radical noodle Jun 2016 #5
MSNBC just ran a graphic showing that Trump spent $0 on ads in June. Yavin4 Jun 2016 #13
I saw that radical noodle Jun 2016 #31
In the primary, you had all of the other Republicans, Hillary, and Bernie all spending money on ads Yavin4 Jun 2016 #32
Plus Trump made it clear that he was expecting free coverage radical noodle Jun 2016 #37
Well, he tore them a new one during that veterans donation brouhaha. cwydro Jun 2016 #6
That was the print media Yavin4 Jun 2016 #14
Maybe it's just that he is polling badly and there is nothing The_Casual_Observer Jun 2016 #7
I don't care WHY they've turned on him... Blanks Jun 2016 #8
Well he WAS a winner in his field of GOP and now he is no longer the front runner... bettyellen Jun 2016 #9
Might be something there... who knows uponit7771 Jun 2016 #11
2 reasons I think GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #12
I think they're embarrassed they let Trump moonscape Jun 2016 #15
There is a lot of that to go around. The GOP establishment is pretty embarrassed too stevenleser Jun 2016 #22
Very good point! yardwork Jun 2016 #16
I think the media didn't take Trump seriously til it was too late. Tarc Jun 2016 #17
Depends, see my #22 above. I'll bet more than a few fellow Liberal pundits were stevenleser Jun 2016 #23
Great point. Scurrilous Jun 2016 #18
Exactly. If Trump was doing major ad buys, his coverage would be much more positive Yavin4 Jun 2016 #28
Journalists reacted very negatively to his treatment of the WP BootinUp Jun 2016 #19
Nah, America likes to build celebrities up, but enjoys tearing them down even more. FSogol Jun 2016 #20
You guys....Mitt's coming.. He's always been coming laserhaas Jun 2016 #21
In a two person race stopping someone "from getting 270 electorals" means a stevenleser Jun 2016 #24
It has always been a battle ground for 4 states laserhaas Jun 2016 #25
It's already too late to make up for lost ground. randome Jun 2016 #29
Its possible...its possible laserhaas Jun 2016 #30
I think his narcissistic reaction to the athena Jun 2016 #26
Or maybe they're turning on tRump because they look at him liberalnarb Jun 2016 #27
No. It is because he picked too many fights with reporters and they got pissed at him. emulatorloo Jun 2016 #33
No, they just realized recently that Trump will change the rules on them and end the 1st TeamPooka Jun 2016 #34
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #35
The US M$M giveth and taketh away.. glad to hear they're not trying to make trump "normal" Cha Jun 2016 #36
Don't sleep on that. Yavin4 Jun 2016 #38

brooklynite

(94,520 posts)
1. Disagree...
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 05:29 PM
Jun 2016

Trump is still good for ratings, and that delivers eyes to the ads they already have booked.

Besides, political ad sales are usually at the local station level, not the network.

Yavin4

(35,438 posts)
3. The networks own many local stations
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 05:33 PM
Jun 2016

A big cable companies like Viacom own TV networks and cable outlets. Yes, ratings may be higher with Trump, but they have to share those ratings. They all have the same content. Ad buys are direct sales that can be booked today.

radical noodle

(8,000 posts)
5. Maybe so but..
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 05:44 PM
Jun 2016

I think some of them, who are actually citizens of this country, have begun to realize what a disaster a Trump presidency would be for this country and therefore for them. Many are people who are in groups he's targeted or have been targeted as media personnel.

Yavin4

(35,438 posts)
13. MSNBC just ran a graphic showing that Trump spent $0 on ads in June.
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 07:57 PM
Jun 2016

If he spent the same as Hillary, $23 million, or more, they would be talking about how close the race is, and Trump's appeal. The stories would be very positive about him.

radical noodle

(8,000 posts)
31. I saw that
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 12:16 AM
Jun 2016

But they fell all over him in the primaries and he wasn't spending money on ads then, either. Your conclusion is certainly worth looking at, though.



Yavin4

(35,438 posts)
32. In the primary, you had all of the other Republicans, Hillary, and Bernie all spending money on ads
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 12:52 AM
Jun 2016

So, it was no big deal at the time that Donald wasn't spending money, and they probably thought that giving him favorable coverage early on would lead to some big time ad buys like Bloomberg spent in his race for NYC mayor.

But that hasn't come to pass. Now the networks feel suckered.

radical noodle

(8,000 posts)
37. Plus Trump made it clear that he was expecting free coverage
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 11:08 AM
Jun 2016

when he said he'd just appear on a lot of shows, do call-ins and such for the general. I don't think that's going to work out for him as a positive.

Yavin4

(35,438 posts)
14. That was the print media
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 07:58 PM
Jun 2016

They're a different animal entirely. They don't rely on campaign spending as much as the broadcast/cable media.

 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
7. Maybe it's just that he is polling badly and there is nothing
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 05:47 PM
Jun 2016

But bad news to report. NPR is trying really hard to be "balanced" saying there is still a chance he could shore things up.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
8. I don't care WHY they've turned on him...
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 06:02 PM
Jun 2016

It's just good news that they have. I saw him on a couple of interviews with Stephanopalous (sp?) where Trump told him that Hillary was his former boss.

George obviously bristled and I doubt there's anything Trump could say to get him back on his side.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
9. Well he WAS a winner in his field of GOP and now he is no longer the front runner...
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 06:57 PM
Jun 2016

That is going to help HRC and hurt him as the media try to explain the reasons why she is winning.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
12. 2 reasons I think
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 07:42 PM
Jun 2016

1. During the primaries they covered him in the context of the Republicans he was running against and frankly Cruz is more batshit crazy than him.

2. Most importantly, He is now going completely off the rails. Starting with the judge all the way to pretty much saying Obama is supporting terrorism. He gets worse by the day.

I worry he is imploding too soon. Cause while at this point if the republicans replaced him their convention will be a war zone and they will suffer a historic defeat, they will survive.

If he keeps on like he is acting till the GE, I think the right on the US will have a major realignment. And while I welcome republicans who have seen the light(many here including me in this category) I do not want a ton of moderates coming in now just when we have a chance to recover from the Reagan realignment and become what we were pre1980.

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
15. I think they're embarrassed they let Trump
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 08:09 PM
Jun 2016

get this far without calling him to task on his crazy. That they didn't do their job.

They didn't expect him to win, so not alienating him meant they could continue to get access to the bully. But now, the stakes are higher, he truly is all the negative adjectives and nouns we've been saying on these pages.

They don't want to let him slip through their fingers again.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
22. There is a lot of that to go around. The GOP establishment is pretty embarrassed too
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 08:47 PM
Jun 2016

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They could have taken him out early on but thought he would implode and didn't want to offend his supporters hoping they would eventually become Rubio/CruzKasich or whomever supporters.

I didn't attack Trump prior to him securing the nomination because I always saw him as the easiest to beat. Why would I work to tear down the easiest candidate to beat on the other side until he actually is the nominee.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
17. I think the media didn't take Trump seriously til it was too late.
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 08:28 PM
Jun 2016

The media is infotainment, they will put on the air whatever they think will attract the most eyeballs. I do think they got a bit pinched on just how to cover Trumpy, though. At first they thought he was the kind of the entertaining and funny racist (like the "Drunk Uncle" sketch SNL does).... "hehehe, look what outrageous thing said today, hahaha!", and it was doubly funny because he was saying it to Cruz, Rubio, and Jeb. Trump was an Infotainment Gold Mine...until someone finally realized that he was whipping up an dangerous and fascist white populist movement.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
23. Depends, see my #22 above. I'll bet more than a few fellow Liberal pundits were
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 08:48 PM
Jun 2016

playing it the same way.

Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
18. Great point.
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 08:34 PM
Jun 2016

The torrent of money Citizen's United unleashed was flowing directly into the pockets of corporate media and they get cranky when they don't get their cash.

Yavin4

(35,438 posts)
28. Exactly. If Trump was doing major ad buys, his coverage would be much more positive
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 10:31 PM
Jun 2016

There's no doubt about that.

FSogol

(45,481 posts)
20. Nah, America likes to build celebrities up, but enjoys tearing them down even more.
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 08:40 PM
Jun 2016

See Woody Allen, Martha Steward, Tiger Woods, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Kobe Bryant, Bill Cosby, OJ Simpson, Barry Bonds, Paula Deen, Tom Brady.....

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
21. You guys....Mitt's coming.. He's always been coming
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 08:45 PM
Jun 2016

Romney owns Clear Channel (iHeart) shows of Glenn Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh and the main stream media has made many billions giving Trump $2 Billion in free advertising.

The freebie advertising season...is now Over!

Mitt only needs to stop Hillary from getting the 270 Electorals....then ...guess who picks the POTUS?

Congress!

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
24. In a two person race stopping someone "from getting 270 electorals" means a
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 08:51 PM
Jun 2016

269-269 tie.

That's pretty difficult to try to engineer.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
25. It has always been a battle ground for 4 states
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 08:58 PM
Jun 2016

Ohio
Michigan
Virgina
Florida

Mitt losr all 4....and will not lose Michigan and Florida

It comes down to Virgina and Ohio

And......possibly....a surprise (rig) swing of another state

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
29. It's already too late to make up for lost ground.
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 10:34 PM
Jun 2016

Trump has 30 staffers to cover the entire country. He isn't doing any advertising. Clinton has 150 full-time employees in Ohio alone.

This is going to an epic GOP failure this year. Epic.

 

liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
27. Or maybe they're turning on tRump because they look at him
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 10:29 PM
Jun 2016

and say "Holy fucking shit! What the hell have we done? Look at the monster we've created, we've gotta fix this!" Please. The reason they're turning on him is because they are starting to realize that they're reckless "journalism" may actually make him President. They're waking up.

emulatorloo

(44,120 posts)
33. No. It is because he picked too many fights with reporters and they got pissed at him.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 01:10 AM
Jun 2016

They were then no longer willing to allow him to get away with his bullshit.

I understand what you are saying about "lost ad revenue" but reporters are actually somewhat isolated independent from the bottom line bean counters.

Beside there are no shortage of big superpac anti-HRC ads and ad buys.

Remember Mark Twain: "Never pick a fight with people who buy ink by the barrel."

TeamPooka

(24,223 posts)
34. No, they just realized recently that Trump will change the rules on them and end the 1st
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 01:40 AM
Jun 2016

amendment and lock their asses out of the white house to stop coverage of him if he wins.

Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Cha

(297,196 posts)
36. The US M$M giveth and taketh away.. glad to hear they're not trying to make trump "normal"
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 04:22 AM
Jun 2016

for whatever reason.

Thanks, Yavin~

Yavin4

(35,438 posts)
38. Don't sleep on that.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 11:53 AM
Jun 2016

If Trump reverses course and starts buying ads, his coverage will improve.

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