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Scuba

(53,475 posts)
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 01:54 PM Jun 2016

The Clinton Campaign Is Obstructing Change to the Democratic Platform

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/06/28/clinton-campaign-obstructing-change-democratic-platform

I’ve had a front-row seat to the first round of the process, as 1 of 5 delegates Sanders named to draft the platform. (The Clinton campaign named six, and Debbie Wasserman Schultz, chair of the Democratic National Committee, added four more.) We spent two weeks listening to powerful testimony from citizens around the country, and then on Friday in St. Louis we started taking votes.

And it was there that the essential dynamic quickly emerged. The Clinton campaign was ready to acknowledge serious problems: We need fair trade policy, inequality is a horrible problem, and unchecked climate change will wreck the planet. But when it came to specific policy changes, they often balked. Amendments against the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement and backing Medicare for all failed, with all the Clinton delegates voting against.

At which point we got (about 11 p.m., in a half-deserted hotel ballroom) to the climate section of the platform, and that’s where things got particularly obvious. We all agreed that America should be operating on 100 percent clean energy by 2050, but then I proposed, in one amendment after another, a series of ways we might actually get there. A carbon tax? Voted down 7-6 (one of the DNC delegates voted with each side). A ban on fracking? Voted down 7-6. An effort to keep fossils in the ground, at least on federal land? Voted down 7-6. A measure to mandate that federal agencies weigh the climate impact of their decisions? Voted down 7-6. Even a plan to keep fossil fuel companies from taking private land by eminent domain, voted down 7-6. (We did, however, reach unanimous consent on more bike paths!)

...

Which is why we need not platitudes but a platform. Not aspirations but commitments. Not happy talk, but the fully adult conversation that Sanders engaged the country in for the past year. Cornel West, with his usual succinct eloquence, said that in the end the platform debate came down to telling the truth. The truth is, we’re in a world of hurt. That hurt—economic, social, environmental—is driving the unsettling politics of our moment. That hurt needs to be addressed.



Disappointing, to me at least, that actual policies are being rejected in favor of platitudes. There are problems to be fixed and the Democratic Party should be on the vanguard of leading the fixes.
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The Clinton Campaign Is Obstructing Change to the Democratic Platform (Original Post) Scuba Jun 2016 OP
This paragraph clearly shows what the priorities are: corporate donors arcane1 Jun 2016 #1
But Bernie needs to convince his supporters to vote for her. I think he could use a bit of her help floriduck Jun 2016 #28
She needs to convince his supporters to vote for her. It's her job, not his n/t arcane1 Jun 2016 #30
I forgot my sarcasm emoticon. Sorry. floriduck Jun 2016 #31
:) arcane1 Jun 2016 #32
81 percent of Sanders supporters are now fully behind HRC. NYC Liberal Jun 2016 #38
I don't doubt it. But to be fair to Hillary, forest444 Jun 2016 #2
This is one of the reasons reasons Clinton won so handily. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #3
The platform is meaningless without votes in the House and Senate to pass lewebley3 Jun 2016 #4
That said, there is nothing to "pass" with respect to a platform. nt. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Jun 2016 #6
I have no intentions of rehashing the primary. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #8
so the compromise in these negotiations is... leftinportland Jun 2016 #9
There is something I never said. Well done. nt. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #13
With every negotiation there is compromise... leftinportland Jun 2016 #22
Yup. That is negotiating. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #23
The compromise comes from understanding you have to give when you have fewer votes. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #16
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #42
Decree via platform? Solutions are actioned in the legislative bodies. LuvLoogie Jun 2016 #17
"many of us look at the Brexit vote" joshcryer Jun 2016 #5
The author's point seems to be about his ego not wht actually got done. Buzz cook Jun 2016 #10
No-action platitudes are facts being reported, regardless of the 1st-person verbiage. JudyM Jun 2016 #29
No action platitudes are the "opinon" being reported. Buzz cook Jun 2016 #36
"We need not platitudes but a platform. Not aspirations but commitments." CrispyQ Jun 2016 #11
To the victor go the spoils pokerfan Jun 2016 #40
I like Bill McKibben, but he doesn't need to worry about winning an election. DanTex Jun 2016 #12
Yeah, McKibben couldn't even get 100 people to attend... joshcryer Jun 2016 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Jun 2016 #14
Shock! The Clinton people voted for the Clinton platform, the winning platform. Shock! CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #15
Bill McKibben's panties got knotted because he didn't get his way. cosmicone Jun 2016 #18
dear commondreams, the primaries will not be revoted no matter how much you want it to be nt msongs Jun 2016 #19
Amazing that the person who won and has to face a general election geek tragedy Jun 2016 #21
CommonNonsense JoePhilly Jun 2016 #24
The nominee gets to approve the platform. Hillary gave Bernie much more of a voice pnwmom Jun 2016 #25
So, the Platform represents the vision of the winner, Hillary. Lil Missy Jun 2016 #26
And here is that vision. Do you agree with the results of these votes? arcane1 Jun 2016 #27
Some info from the other viewpoint. Eko Jun 2016 #33
Excellent, EXCELLENT post. Thanks a lot. Herman4747 Jun 2016 #44
What is the large scale alternative to fossil fuels right now? sufrommich Jun 2016 #46
Neoliberalism with bits of progressivism. JRLeft Jun 2016 #35
Bike paths through a vast strip mine and abandoned factories leveymg Jun 2016 #43
If this platform truly is going to be about commitments... SaschaHM Jun 2016 #34
GOOD!!! MohRokTah Jun 2016 #37
This may come as a surprise, but the person who wins generally has more say in the platform TwilightZone Jun 2016 #39
No, she won and he lost MaggieD Jun 2016 #41
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2016 #45
 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
1. This paragraph clearly shows what the priorities are: corporate donors
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 01:55 PM
Jun 2016

"We all agreed that America should be operating on 100 percent clean energy by 2050, but then I proposed, in one amendment after another, a series of ways we might actually get there. A carbon tax? Voted down 7-6 (one of the DNC delegates voted with each side). A ban on fracking? Voted down 7-6. An effort to keep fossils in the ground, at least on federal land? Voted down 7-6. A measure to mandate that federal agencies weigh the climate impact of their decisions? Voted down 7-6. Even a plan to keep fossil fuel companies from taking private land by eminent domain, voted down 7-6. (We did, however, reach unanimous consent on more bike paths!) "

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
28. But Bernie needs to convince his supporters to vote for her. I think he could use a bit of her help
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 03:06 PM
Jun 2016

NYC Liberal

(20,135 posts)
38. 81 percent of Sanders supporters are now fully behind HRC.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 07:31 PM
Jun 2016

That number is far higher than the number of HRC supporters backing Obama at this time in 2008.

Not to mention Sanders himself will be voting for her.

So it seems she is doing an excellent job of convincing.

forest444

(5,902 posts)
2. I don't doubt it. But to be fair to Hillary,
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 01:56 PM
Jun 2016

a lot of those changes would require an alien invasion. Such is the world (for now, anyway).

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
3. This is one of the reasons reasons Clinton won so handily.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 01:57 PM
Jun 2016

She and here team fully understand negotiations. There were then others who have no clue what the word means. Simply my way or no way at all. The platform is a collaboration.

It is a mindset from top to bottom.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
4. The platform is meaningless without votes in the House and Senate to pass
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 02:00 PM
Jun 2016

it. Clinton nor the Dem's really don't know what is possible until after
the election.

Response to NCTraveler (Reply #3)

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
8. I have no intentions of rehashing the primary.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 02:02 PM
Jun 2016

But I believe the country fully got the idea of what we would be looking at with respect to negotiations after the '07 immigration votes were so widely discussed this primary. It was a big selling point for Clinton.

leftinportland

(247 posts)
9. so the compromise in these negotiations is...
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 02:03 PM
Jun 2016

we'll let you voice your concern but don't ask for any actions to fix them and don't ask us to change any of our positions that might harm our corporate sponsors...that will work well going forward...NOT!

leftinportland

(247 posts)
22. With every negotiation there is compromise...
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 02:32 PM
Jun 2016

Thought the Hill team knew this...apparently few do. When you have almost half your intended constituency wanting something...one gives a little...That my friend is negotiating.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
23. Yup. That is negotiating.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 02:36 PM
Jun 2016

People's confidence in her ability to do so was a big selling point for her. This just highlights how accurate that narrative was and is.

There is also the fact that the loser will have to compromise to a much greater extent. Specially will all of the special considerations that were already given to the losing party in the negotiations.

LuvLoogie

(6,936 posts)
17. Decree via platform? Solutions are actioned in the legislative bodies.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 02:12 PM
Jun 2016

And legislators are not appointed by candidates for office. The would be legislators themselves must be elected.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
5. "many of us look at the Brexit vote"
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 02:00 PM
Jun 2016

The one that striped the UK of EUs environmental regs? The one that was literally argued for because Britain cut back coal in some places?

Bill, please.

Buzz cook

(2,471 posts)
10. The author's point seems to be about his ego not wht actually got done.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 02:03 PM
Jun 2016

Notice how frequently it is "his" amendment and how they are the only way to solve problems.

The platform is purposely vague because its intent is aspirational not prescriptive. The author wants the platform to tie the hands of legislators in the face of an uncertain future.

Buzz cook

(2,471 posts)
36. No action platitudes are the "opinon" being reported.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 07:21 PM
Jun 2016

Just as with the 15$ minimum wage, it was "reported" as being blocked when in fact it had not been blocked. It was just certain amendments not the thing itself.

I am willing to wait a douple days to see what the facts are.

CrispyQ

(36,424 posts)
11. "We need not platitudes but a platform. Not aspirations but commitments."
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 02:03 PM
Jun 2016

The democratic party has been giving us platitudes for 35 years & now they're giving us aspirations. What the hell? We've gone backwards! If they'd been a true opposition party for the last 35 years, maybe we wouldn't have Donald Trump now.

In Michael Moore's movie, "Where to Invade Next," he 'invades' countries for their good ideas to bring back to America, and surprise, surprise, some of them are American ideas that we abandoned. Got my copy of the movie in the mail this morning!

Saw this on FB.

pokerfan

(27,677 posts)
40. To the victor go the spoils
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 10:32 PM
Jun 2016

So to recap, if I have this right, the platform thus far is:

Pro TPP
Pro fracking
Pro continued Israeli occupation of Palestine

Against a carbon tax
Against single payer health care
Against $15 minimum wage

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
20. Yeah, McKibben couldn't even get 100 people to attend...
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 02:26 PM
Jun 2016

...Be Free 2016. He should be grateful he was so fortunate to take his ideas.

Response to Scuba (Original post)

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
18. Bill McKibben's panties got knotted because he didn't get his way.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 02:14 PM
Jun 2016

There is no "obstruction" ... everyone got to debate their view and people just didn't agree with one side.

But, there it is again - high drama about every loss and smears of something unholy happening.

Clinton camp was too generous and gave Bernie 5 seats. Otherwise the decisions would have been 12-2. Let us not forget -- She WON and it is HER convention.

We cannot -- simply cannot -- hobble our candidate with a dream list that is impossible to defend in a GE.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
21. Amazing that the person who won and has to face a general election
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 02:31 PM
Jun 2016

does not just jump through every hoop the person who lost demands.

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
25. The nominee gets to approve the platform. Hillary gave Bernie much more of a voice
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 02:44 PM
Jun 2016

than a losing candidate normally gets, including 5 seats on the platform committee.

Lil Missy

(17,865 posts)
26. So, the Platform represents the vision of the winner, Hillary.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 02:49 PM
Jun 2016

I keep hearing the words ........ "the loser does not get to dictate terms."

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
27. And here is that vision. Do you agree with the results of these votes?
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 03:00 PM
Jun 2016

A carbon tax? Voted down 7-6 (one of the DNC delegates voted with each side).

A ban on fracking? Voted down 7-6.

An effort to keep fossils in the ground, at least on federal land? Voted down 7-6.

A measure to mandate that federal agencies weigh the climate impact of their decisions? Voted down 7-6.

Even a plan to keep fossil fuel companies from taking private land by eminent domain, voted down 7-6.

Eko

(7,246 posts)
33. Some info from the other viewpoint.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 05:08 PM
Jun 2016

"The Clinton campaign says its reluctance to accept some of McKibben’s amendments reflects legitimate concerns about the policy implications, not mere political calculation. Not all experts agree that a carbon tax is the most effective way to reduce emissions, for example. Mary Nichols of the California Air Resources Board had pointed out in her testimony to the committee a week earlier that a carbon tax does not guarantee emissions reductions, while direct regulation, such as Obama’s Clean Power Plan, does. Clinton supporters rejected a blanket prohibition on lending for foreign fossil fuel development projects on the grounds that the U.S. relationship with any given developing country may have competing priorities, and they opposed the climate test for energy projects because they worried it could prevent necessary projects like transmission lines for electricity that may be partly generated from dirty sources."
http://grist.org/election-2016/sanders-and-clinton-teams-fight-over-climate-language-in-democratic-platform/

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
44. Excellent, EXCELLENT post. Thanks a lot.
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 11:17 AM
Jun 2016

With regards to fracking, Hillary herself has supported exporting fracking to other countries (for example, How Hillary Clinton's State Department Sold Fracking to the World ), so we couldn't truly expect otherwise.

What was particularly striking (and depressing) was this getting voted down: A measure to mandate that federal agencies weigh the climate impact of their decisions

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
46. What is the large scale alternative to fossil fuels right now?
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 11:29 AM
Jun 2016

Not sometime in the foggy unexplained future,but right now?

Wouldn't it make more sense to advocate for federal monies to grow the alternative energy source? How do you explain to American voters that we're going to raise gas prices without a less expensive alternative?

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
43. Bike paths through a vast strip mine and abandoned factories
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 02:57 AM
Jun 2016

That's the platform we're supposed to be cheering. Rah. Rah.

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
34. If this platform truly is going to be about commitments...
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 05:19 PM
Jun 2016

It makes perfect sense that it should read word for word like Hillary's Campaign message. Why on earth would her team allow parts of Bernie's message that she disagreed with govern her or make it into some mandatory pledge to do strictly "xy&z" when she's going to have to govern with a divided congress?

TwilightZone

(25,430 posts)
39. This may come as a surprise, but the person who wins generally has more say in the platform
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 07:33 PM
Jun 2016

than the person who loses. Often, the person who loses has none at all. In this case, the person who lost was given representation on the committee - five members - and they obviously had input in the process, as Keith Ellison clearly indicated.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
41. No, she won and he lost
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 10:38 PM
Jun 2016

I and millions more for voted for HER platform over his. It's Democracy. That's how it works.

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