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LibraLiz1973

(8,197 posts)
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 07:56 AM Jul 2016

I'm scared

When he announced his candidacy last year, I laughed. Stupid, waste of money, total joke, he'll never get anywhere. That's what I thought. I also thought he didn't even really mean it. It was just another PR stunt.

And then he started plucking off the other 17 thugs one by one.

I couldn't believe it.

Still, I assured myself, he was never going to clinch the nomination. He's done and said so much terrible and completely abhorrent stuff. I figured when he said McCain wasn't a war hero the thugs wouldn't tolerate it, especially from someone who took so many deferments.

Not only did they take it, they celebrated him.

And his numbers grew.

He plowed through the primary race like it was tissue paper, all while being rude, crude and divisive.

Now he's got these nuts screaming lock her up and one of his advisors is on record as saying she should be tried and set before a firing squad.

What

The

Hell?

These people are rabid. I'm seeing posts on Facebook by people I *thought* had brains and it makes me sick. They're so hardcore in their hate of her and their defense of him, it's unreal.

I can't imagine a country with him at the helm. What I can imagine is him getting us all fucking nuked pretty damn quick. This man is an unstable psychopathic liar and people are lining up to vote for him.

So yeah. I'm scared. It's like he's unstoppable. And I just don't get it.

On edit: I'm not trying to be doom and gloom at all. This post is down to the past three days and watching these people chant and applaud like lunatics. I'm really starting to fear how rabid they are. How violent. How blood thirsty.

He's bringing out the worst in people and it's scary as hell.

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I'm scared (Original Post) LibraLiz1973 Jul 2016 OP
You are not alone. bullimiami Jul 2016 #1
Not alone at all wallyworld2 Jul 2016 #62
You have every reason to be scared. TheCowsCameHome Jul 2016 #2
If you are scared, do something about it - GOTV liberal N proud Jul 2016 #3
We are! cilla4progress Jul 2016 #6
I am and I've donated a buttload. LibraLiz1973 Jul 2016 #8
Very true, there is no rational thining coming out of Cleveland liberal N proud Jul 2016 #23
^^^This!^^^ Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #9
I'm scared, too. cilla4progress Jul 2016 #4
Me too LibraLiz1973 Jul 2016 #10
Coming to Netflix: Scared is the New Concerned BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #5
I'm not concerned. I'm literally terrified LibraLiz1973 Jul 2016 #7
Yes pretty f*cking scary! Yet some wanted to act like he was a joke! Her Sister Jul 2016 #11
to allay your fears Always Randy Jul 2016 #12
Totally agree. Drumpt will lose at least 30 States. kairos12 Jul 2016 #21
Something makes me think that Trump will get arrested before this is over. He is that crazy. The Wielding Truth Jul 2016 #71
I woke up last night about 4:30, after less than four hours sleep... Silent3 Jul 2016 #13
I was pretty sure he'd win and wondered why few took this seriously. Starry Messenger Jul 2016 #14
There's a lot of ugly shit, it appears... Ghost Dog Jul 2016 #56
If tTrump dont scare ya Cryptoad Jul 2016 #15
Same here... N_E_1 for Tennis Jul 2016 #16
please read this article.... apcalc Jul 2016 #17
I read it SheriffBob Jul 2016 #27
I read some where on DU that Trump enjoyed reading books yuiyoshida Jul 2016 #18
I think he fantasizes about being like Hitler. It's terrifying. sarae Jul 2016 #76
Don't be afraid. wildeyed Jul 2016 #19
You got it. Drumpt will lose big. He got 14 million votes in the primaries. He needs kairos12 Jul 2016 #22
We are stronger together as a nation. However, AllyCat Jul 2016 #24
Yes, but there is some evidence that a backlash ensues. wildeyed Jul 2016 #69
Even Michael Moore stated he thinks Trump has got this. Seen on FB..n/t monmouth4 Jul 2016 #20
He gets down like that... tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #32
Yep. He said it on Bill Maher's live show last night. Chiyo-chichi Jul 2016 #35
I'll vote and get everyone I know to vote. mountain grammy Jul 2016 #25
Good idea with the Johnson move! tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #33
I'm scared, not just about Trump, but moonscape Jul 2016 #70
You were partially right CanonRay Jul 2016 #26
I'm scared too!!!! onecent Jul 2016 #29
I'm scared to death. hamsterjill Jul 2016 #28
I hate that Michael Moore said on Bill Maher he thought Trump would win gg4usa Jul 2016 #30
Michael and Bill are both saying... yallerdawg Jul 2016 #55
Never ever underestimate Trump Kilgore Jul 2016 #31
What scares me more is the fact that the ones wanting Trump to win are asjr Jul 2016 #36
Ill be a bit more charitable Kilgore Jul 2016 #73
I think trump SheriffBob Jul 2016 #34
I think I'm more pissed off than scared. Sheepshank Jul 2016 #37
I smile and talk to Trump supporters gg4usa Jul 2016 #43
Then he wins. LWolf Jul 2016 #38
Four things .... dobleremolque Jul 2016 #39
This ^ and a thousand other double standards they have for people not like them Person 2713 Jul 2016 #49
We need to make sure that next week doesn't look like this week. redstatebluegirl Jul 2016 #40
Not too worried about Bernie himself, but... bekkilyn Jul 2016 #57
The idea that allowing Trump to win is ok makes me ill. redstatebluegirl Jul 2016 #60
Watching full frontal with Samatha Bee asking people in Pennsylvania kimbutgar Jul 2016 #41
I was getting a little nervous tomg Jul 2016 #42
Can't stand Cruz, but creds to standing up to someone who attacked him and his family in the Person 2713 Jul 2016 #52
That may have been part of the reason Cruz did this auntpurl Jul 2016 #58
True enough. Like you, I loath him tomg Jul 2016 #63
After W won reelection Thrill Jul 2016 #44
As so many, even on DU, have pushed for Republican candidates who could be considered a joke. woodsprite Jul 2016 #59
I'm scared as well. thucythucy Jul 2016 #45
We will unite - this election is like asiliveandbreathe Jul 2016 #50
"Hopefully msm will turn the corner..." Ghost Dog Jul 2016 #61
It's going to be all right - we have come thru many asiliveandbreathe Jul 2016 #46
Even if he loses he has empowered all the nasties to come ou in proud glory . They ain't going Person 2713 Jul 2016 #47
When Ted Cruz is the closest thing to a voice of reason at a major party convention Martin Eden Jul 2016 #48
Once he announced, I predicted back then that he would be the nominee... Javaman Jul 2016 #51
I'm frightened enough to change my vote. Their convention, the vile behavior onecaliberal Jul 2016 #53
Apparently Michael Moore thinks Trump will win greymattermom Jul 2016 #54
My state has more primary elections wallyworld2 Jul 2016 #64
There's been a rise of right-wing governments in Europe True Dough Jul 2016 #65
Even if Trump isn't elected, his supporters remain among us. no_hypocrisy Jul 2016 #66
Trump is not what scares me...the people in that GOP crowd and their media enablers do! Moostache Jul 2016 #67
I have to admit his stupidity is okieinpain Jul 2016 #68
In 1930, everyone laughed at Wednesdays Jul 2016 #72
Let's Not Forget A Few Things... WiffenPoof Jul 2016 #74
I feel Michael Moore is right. Kablooie Jul 2016 #75

wallyworld2

(375 posts)
62. Not alone at all
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 11:11 AM
Jul 2016

And the Hillary hate fest is just beginning and will only be one of many parts of his hate fest

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
3. If you are scared, do something about it - GOTV
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 08:11 AM
Jul 2016

Get involved locally, find a Hillary or Democratic campaign headquarters near you and let them know you are willing to help. They will find something for you to do.
From entering data to making phone calls and canvasing neighborhoods. Registering voters and just doing everything you can to get people to vote for Hillary.

This is how we beat Trump and his crazy band of morons.


GET OUT THE VOTE


LibraLiz1973

(8,197 posts)
8. I am and I've donated a buttload.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 08:17 AM
Jul 2016

This convention shit is still scary. These aren't rational or normal people.

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
23. Very true, there is no rational thining coming out of Cleveland
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 09:15 AM
Jul 2016

Being involved is the only way we beat them.

cilla4progress

(24,733 posts)
4. I'm scared, too.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 08:13 AM
Jul 2016

In fact, I woke up at 4 am and said those exact words to my husband. He said, "why?" I said, "Trump."

LibraLiz1973

(8,197 posts)
10. Me too
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 08:20 AM
Jul 2016

We thought bush was bad but Trump I think is pure evil. He makes Bush look like a choir boy. Hell, he makes Cheney look warm and fuzzy.

Trump doesn't give a bakers fuck about our children, the economy (except as it relates to him) the environment or anything else I consider high priority. Truthfully I think he's insane. He should never ever have gotten this far. The fact that he has says A LOT about what kind of craziness lurks in our neighbors.

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
11. Yes pretty f*cking scary! Yet some wanted to act like he was a joke!
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 08:21 AM
Jul 2016

If we are not serious about this guy the joke will be on us! We need to eradicate him in November! make him a lesson to any and all crazy wannabes! He needs to not only lose the election but also his reputation.

Always Randy

(1,059 posts)
12. to allay your fears
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 08:25 AM
Jul 2016

the GOP is more splintered now than ever before---we should be thankful for Trump putting a few more nails in the coffin. There is no pathway for Trump to win the electoral college (EV) --TV and the media have to keep the game alive to sell advertising, if they say that HRC is going to win right now they lose advertising revenue--watch the EV ---that is what it is all about --

Silent3

(15,212 posts)
13. I woke up last night about 4:30, after less than four hours sleep...
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 08:28 AM
Jul 2016

...and couldn't get back to sleep thinking about this.

I was more angry and annoyed than scared, however, angry that it's so damned obvious that the Republicans are acting like Nazis (with actually self-declared Nazis and white supremacist groups in attendance, cheering Trump on), yet most people are barely moved by it, with only a few of us are gasping in horror while this blatant nightmare unfolds before our eyes.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
14. I was pretty sure he'd win and wondered why few took this seriously.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 08:28 AM
Jul 2016

He's fired up all the ugly shit that boils under the lid of the US. The media was complicit in giving him attention, but he's definitely got a base too.

apcalc

(4,465 posts)
17. please read this article....
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 08:51 AM
Jul 2016

Ivana said he kept a book of Hitler's speeches in a cabinet by his bed.
I believe he is getting his cues from the Furher, 'following his recipe' , as author Steven Rosenfeld has written.
See the article here....please read it everyone...

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/donald-trump-getting-his-cues-hitler-how-gop-leader-following-fuhrers-recipe


yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
18. I read some where on DU that Trump enjoyed reading books
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 08:58 AM
Jul 2016

about and written by Adolf Hitler. Its almost like he really wants to be him. Imaging after all these years, where the American and Allied Forces defeated Nazi Germany and Nationalistic Japan, people in this country want now to be just like facists of the 1930s.

Many years ago, my family saw the Winds of Change and moved to Hawaii ...and I can only imagine what they thought when our very Ancestors declared war on the United States with the attack on Pearl Harbor.. the horror of suddenly being in the middle of that mess.

Now what do we have? A guy who probably would prefer to be a strong man dictator than a Constitutionally elected President of the United States. Put Trump in power, and watch how our own world burns.

sarae

(3,284 posts)
76. I think he fantasizes about being like Hitler. It's terrifying.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:49 PM
Jul 2016
Vanity Fair wrote about it in 1990, in this article:
http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/2015/07/donald-ivana-trump-divorce-prenup-marie-brenner

Donald Trump appears to take aspects of his German background seriously. John Walter works for the Trump Organization, and when he visits Donald in his office, Ivana told a friend, he clicks his heels and says, “Heil Hitler,” possibly as a family joke.

Last April, perhaps in a surge of Czech nationalism, Ivana Trump told her lawyer Michael Kennedy that from time to time her husband reads a book of Hitler’s collected speeches, My New Order, which he keeps in a cabinet by his bed. Kennedy now guards a copy of My New Order in a closet at his office, as if it were a grenade. Hitler’s speeches, from his earliest days up through the Phony War of 1939, reveal his extraordinary ability as a master propagandist.

“Did your cousin John give you the Hitler speeches?” I asked Trump.

Trump hesitated. “Who told you that?”

“I don’t remember,” I said.

“Actually, it was my friend Marty Davis from Paramount who gave me a copy of Mein Kampf, and he’s a Jew.” (“I did give him a book about Hitler,” Marty Davis said. “But it was My New Order, Hitler’s speeches, not Mein Kampf. I thought he would find it interesting. I am his friend, but I’m not Jewish.”)

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
19. Don't be afraid.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 08:58 AM
Jul 2016

Look at the crowd in the arena. Does that look like America? No. The demographics of the GE electorate is profoundly different from the demographics of the GOP. He is completely stoppable because math. He gets like zero percentage of black voters in many swing states in many current polls. You can win some of those states with way less than a majority of blacks, but you cannot win with zero. Also, he scares the pee out of many moderate Republicans. They are not posting loud and proud on social media, but many will either vote for Clinton or stay home in November. Trust me. I know a few well enough that they confide in me.

So don't be scared (it's what the GOP wants!). It's good right now for Dems. We are winning.

kairos12

(12,861 posts)
22. You got it. Drumpt will lose big. He got 14 million votes in the primaries. He needs
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 09:15 AM
Jul 2016

65 million votes to win the General Election across an electoral block of States that he has 0 chance of winning.

The Rethugs are inducing the Great Fear across the land. That's all they got.

AllyCat

(16,187 posts)
24. We are stronger together as a nation. However,
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 09:21 AM
Jul 2016

many states have GOP governors and state houses that have pushed through divisive Jim Crow voting barriers. I'm worried many Americans who think rationally about this, won't get to vote.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
69. Yes, but there is some evidence that a backlash ensues.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 12:40 PM
Jul 2016

And a voter ID law in Texas got struck down yesterday too, I believe. Haven't read the details yet, but I think it was invalidated based on Voting Rights Act. So all of that is pretty fluid right now. I would recommend worrying less about these laws and working more against them. There is still plenty of time on the clock

tallahasseedem

(6,716 posts)
32. He gets down like that...
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 09:38 AM
Jul 2016

He's scared, I understand...a lot of us are. But if we do what I know we can do, we've got this.

mountain grammy

(26,621 posts)
25. I'll vote and get everyone I know to vote.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 09:28 AM
Jul 2016

But, to be truthful, I'm scared too. He never should have gotten this far. It's also scary how deep the hatred is for Hillary. I'm pushing Gary Johnson to my Republican friends who won't vote for Trump or Hillary. He's wrong, but he's not a lunatic.

tallahasseedem

(6,716 posts)
33. Good idea with the Johnson move!
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 09:39 AM
Jul 2016

Every bit helps.

Our fear will help her win in a landslide. We just have to be vigilant!

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
70. I'm scared, not just about Trump, but
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 01:41 PM
Jul 2016

about how responsive so many in our country are to hatred and crazy. We see it elsewhere, but I've had a naivete that our system (and people) would not allow something like this to get so far. At least in my lifetime.

Once Trump is defeated, and I have to believe there will be enough terror that he will be, what then? What about the hatred he has fertilized? He has so lowered the bar that I fear it will take a calamity for his voters to snap out of it enough to make more rational decisions. In the meantime, they'll be taking us, and the world, on a dangerous ride.

CanonRay

(14,101 posts)
26. You were partially right
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 09:30 AM
Jul 2016

He doesn't really mean it. He really does not want to be President. He wants to ride on Air Force One and have a retinue of Secret Service agents following his limo and big splashy bill signings and ribbon cuttings then off to golf in Scotland or Abu Dubai or wherever the fuck. Then a phone call: Hey VP, take care of those riots in LA!

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
28. I'm scared to death.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 09:35 AM
Jul 2016

The hate. The vengeance. The lack of reason. The lies. The distortion. The ineptitude.

And his base doesn't give a shit as long as it's entertaining. With all of them shouting from the rooftops what wonderful Christians they are.

My Jesus is weeping. This is not Him.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
55. Michael and Bill are both saying...
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:42 AM
Jul 2016

"Fear this man, or he could win!"

If we sit at home, complacent or pissed off because our candidate didn't win - just know, the Trump voter will not be sitting at home.

"It's a movement!"

Kilgore

(1,733 posts)
31. Never ever underestimate Trump
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 09:37 AM
Jul 2016

Have been saying it since day one. This guy is ruthless, has the fire in the belly, and is just nuts enough to do it. This coupled with anger and complacency in the electorate might get him elected.

SheriffBob

(552 posts)
34. I think trump
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 09:45 AM
Jul 2016

is scared of being elected president because of the never ending scrutiny that goes with the job.

Trump has a lot of skeletons in his closets.

I'll bet he will refuse to release his tax returns before or after the election.


He's also a full blown sexual pervert.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
37. I think I'm more pissed off than scared.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 09:59 AM
Jul 2016

pissed that so many are willing to try and get Trump into the Whitehouse and are enthusiastically trying hard. Fucking idiots.

I am confident that many more would rather have Hillary in the Whitehouse. There are many, many more people that are voting FOR Hillary Clinton and a whole bunch more voting AGAINST Donald Trump. No complacency here, just making sure that the word gets out that every vote counts!!

gg4usa

(83 posts)
43. I smile and talk to Trump supporters
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:08 AM
Jul 2016

if only they knew how much contempt and utter lack of respect I have for them. They are brain-dead and there's no hope for them, so no point in trying to reason with them (just pisses me off when I try).

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
38. Then he wins.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:01 AM
Jul 2016

Don't engage in fear.

In the 90 seconds I spent watching last night, some guy giving a speech was saying something about how scared we all are and how we need Trump to protect us.

Don't feed that shit.

dobleremolque

(491 posts)
39. Four things ....
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:01 AM
Jul 2016

G. O. T. & V.

I'm blessed enough to be bilingual English/Spanish and I am working to get 4 Hispanics registered and to the polls for every wretched R I see foaming at the mouth.

(Just an aside, and favorite object lesson on bilingualism in the U.S. ...

I'm an old Anglo white guy, and people point and me and say, "Oh, he's bilingual; fluent in English AND Spanish!"

My Mexican/Latino friends, who also speak fluent English/Spanish get the following reaction: "Yeah, well he should speak English. This here is 'Murica!" )

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
40. We need to make sure that next week doesn't look like this week.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:02 AM
Jul 2016

I am more afraid of the Bernie supporters making a scene, or Bernie himself doing something like what Cruz did, even though he came out in favor of Secretary Clinton a week or so ago. I know some Bernie people who are so angry they are talking about driving to Cleveland to "protest the unethical process" in any way necessary (including that "fart a thon" or whatever it is they call it). Don't dismiss these supporters, they are rabid in ways that frighten me. The corporate media will have a field day if this happens.

This party needs to look totally professional and together next week, a party worthy of leading the country.

We need to "keep our eyes on the prize", we have to show up, get our friends to show up, and never let down until the day after the election. We have to work for down ballot candidates, including the young Bernie supporters who are running down ticket.

Bernie got much of what he wanted with the platform, more than I ever thought he would. Now, lets get busy and elect a bunch of Democrats to straighten out this mess and bring some sanity back to the country after this awful election cycle from hell.

bekkilyn

(454 posts)
57. Not too worried about Bernie himself, but...
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:44 AM
Jul 2016

Bernie supporters (and I am one) making a scene seems likely. I was reading an article last night about something with the RNC on a liberal site (Alternet maybe) and was reading some of the comments and they were nearly as scary as comments from Trump supporters. Most of them would rather see the whole country burn and hand the election over to Trump rather than vote for Hillary as they believe she is just as bad as he is. There was one rational person in the bunch who was trying to explain how millions of people would suffer under a Trump presidency (minority races, LGBT, women, etc.) but they didn't care. As long as they had theirs, who cares about anyone else? Sounded just like a mirror image of the very worst of the republican party. I love Bernie, but I really don't want to have anything to do with those people.

I do believe that Bernie will conduct himself with grace and integrity as he's always done. Too bad many of his followers don't follow his example.

Despite any faults (and I don't agree with her about everything), supporting Hillary right now seems to be the only chance we have for a more progressive agenda rather than setting the country backwards another 40 or more years.

I'd probably be enjoying this circus if there wasn't so much of terrible consequence at stake for so many people. It's horrifying.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
60. The idea that allowing Trump to win is ok makes me ill.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 11:02 AM
Jul 2016

I would have supported Bernie if he were the nominee. I agree with much of what he says, but I just felt Hillary was more electable. It never dawned on me that a Democrat, no matter how Progressive, would allow Trump and his ilk to pick the next majority on the supreme court and be in charge of the codes to start a war to end all wars.

I do have to say, some, but not all, of the young people I have dealt with in the past 10 years have a really strong "me , me, me" streak. Very self absorbed. Of course every generation has them, but they are a large group and very vocal in this generation. To be willing to damage the country to make a point is ignorant at best.

I think we are both right. Thank you for supporting the nominee....

kimbutgar

(21,148 posts)
41. Watching full frontal with Samatha Bee asking people in Pennsylvania
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:02 AM
Jul 2016

Who they are going to vote for and they all said Cheeto scared the crap out of me.

I just hope the media start to really expose him in the upcoming months because he is a threat to them if elected.

tomg

(2,574 posts)
42. I was getting a little nervous
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:05 AM
Jul 2016

until last night about the presidential. Cruz' speech in positioning himself for 2016 was a conscious attempt to sandbag Trump. The Vampire knows that Frankenstein's monster will either go down in a landslide ( most likely) or win and be such a disaster - not simply on policy but in basic competence - that the Republican ticket is toast for years. Cruz just gave cover to all of those who can't vote for Trump ( a few minor twists and it is an implied endorsement of Gary Johnson). If Trump loses, but they can keep obstructing, but and they keep the house and jam HRC they way they jammed President Obama, then Cruz (and Kasich) get to ride in in 2020 ( a census year), point to HRC's "failures." I am not worried about the Presidential, but the down ticket is beyond crucial. Win it all - top to bottom.

I hate Cruz even more than Trump, but he is playing his cards brilliantly.

Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
52. Can't stand Cruz, but creds to standing up to someone who attacked him and his family in the
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:36 AM
Jul 2016

most disdainful way.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
58. That may have been part of the reason Cruz did this
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:48 AM
Jul 2016

but I don't think it's the whole reason. Cruz is a slimy shitweasel, but he's not stupid. I think he knows Trump is going down in November and he's positioning himself for 2020. He's reading the political map, like the OP should do. There are so few paths to victory in the EC for Trump, and so many for Hillary.

We will win. But we can't be complacent.

tomg

(2,574 posts)
63. True enough. Like you, I loath him
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 11:12 AM
Jul 2016

and, I think, it is those kinds of acts that we can identify with that make him even more dangerous. It adds to his aura of "authenticity" of belief. Credit where credit is due

woodsprite

(11,915 posts)
59. As so many, even on DU, have pushed for Republican candidates who could be considered a joke.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:49 AM
Jul 2016

The Presidency and leading our country and military is no joking matter. That totally drove me nuts before with Palin, and it was worse this election cycle with Trump leading the pack. Now the chickens are coming home to roost.

I was just longing for the Repubs to put up someone who would be competent if elected and not sink the ship, just in case the Dems didn't win. But NO, none of their top runners could be called that, and out of starting pack of 16, they went for the looniest one in the bunch. And I hate Pence - His looks, his policies, etc. His creepy in more ways than can be counted. My friend said the best thing about him being the VP nominee is that he's not in the race for Governor.

I'm a Bernie person (yes, still am - haven't taken down my yard sign --- not until after the convention). Let's get through the convention, then I want Hillary lamblasting Trump loud and clear (she's doing a great job so far), I hope Warren is her VP, and I hope Bernie hits the campaign trail with her and Warren (or whomever ends up VP) to get his Bernie or Die supporters to shift to her. We have to make sure Trump (or Pence) doesn't win this by consolidating all the scared Repubs, Indies, Progressives, and Dems of both flavors.

thucythucy

(8,052 posts)
45. I'm scared as well.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:22 AM
Jul 2016

People should remember that Hitler was considered a joke almost right up until he seized power. And that he was granted power, not by a coup, but by a democratic process in which conservatives backed him under the illusion that he was a laughable dunce they could easily control.

People may accuse me of hyperbole in comparing Trump to Hitler, but I'm stone cold deadly serious.

And yes, I'm scared shitless. Hillary HAS to win this, and anybody who doesn't see that and work for that or at least vote for that is enabling a blatant fascist and the supporter of militant racists to seize power.

I voted for Bernie in the primary. But I am a thousand percent behind Hillary now.

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
50. We will unite - this election is like
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:35 AM
Jul 2016

no other in my lifetime..and I have been voting as an Independent since 1968 - until 2008...when I changed to the Democratic Party - I saw how right the country was going and had to move further left, just to walk upright!!!!

We can do this - see you Monday night....for some positive messages and policies....and people...and have some fun - these dark days of hateful rhetoric are behind us..yes, there will be continued attacks..but we have pushed back on much worse over the course of the last 8 years..

Hopefully msm will turn the corner and do what is right for the American people and tell it like it is...love is stronger than hate - and there are more of us than of them - if dumpster gets more than 40% in Nov. I'll be very surprised....this is why we "get out the vote"...be well..



asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
46. It's going to be all right - we have come thru many
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:25 AM
Jul 2016

dark days - I don't have the depression or WW11 as a reference point - although I have read about those difficult times, and my Mom would tell us stories of having to ration gas and make sure the lights on at home could not be seen from the outside at night- they used blackout curtains,,she work for the signal corp during the war (WW11)- all hands on deck so to speak..and all men were drafted, with their draft papers indicating no end in sight using the term "indefinitely" (I have my dad's WW11 draft papers)

Siren towers were erected to warn of nuclear attack..they were tested periodically - my school bus ride went past a tower everyday - we were instructed to hide under our desks at school..the whole time our mom was our buffer..never showed fear..

I do believe this country has not forgotten the eight years of GWB and I would never minimize the threat this trump person demonstrates - the rhetoric of hate and fear is at an all time high...and we must remain ever vigilant - your emotions are spot on...but,

A very wise man FDR - said "we have nothing to fear except fear itself...."

Get out the vote is imperative - make sure you and your family are registered CORRECTLY, and you know your states voter ID laws - (such as they are)....friends, neighbors, this truly is a time for ALL of us to unite..the future of our country and countrymen and women depend on it....

I'm so glad you can turn to hubby with your concerns, that is very important - there are so many who are alone and in fear - those are the people we need to hear from and listen to....be well..

Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
47. Even if he loses he has empowered all the nasties to come ou in proud glory . They ain't going
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:28 AM
Jul 2016

back in a box in November . I also fear retaliation if he loses via possible violence that is all they have. Mob yelling possibly violent outbursts . I hope I am wrong . Maybe they will walk back with their tail between their legs and lie down for a nap that would be nice

Martin Eden

(12,867 posts)
48. When Ted Cruz is the closest thing to a voice of reason at a major party convention
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:30 AM
Jul 2016

... then we do indeed live in scary times.

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
51. Once he announced, I predicted back then that he would be the nominee...
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:36 AM
Jul 2016

this is the sum accumulation of the repuke parties complete slide into insanity.

they chose to double down, in fact, triple down on their rhetoric, because they know their message has been so far skewed to the outer limits of both sanity and civility, that they had to come up with a trump like candidate. he fit their model. it just so happened that trump was there at the right time and the right place in history.

and that era of republican history has a name: stupidity at all costs.

never every underestimate the awesome power of stupidity. you do so at your own peril.

onecaliberal

(32,861 posts)
53. I'm frightened enough to change my vote. Their convention, the vile behavior
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:41 AM
Jul 2016

The hate on display. It's hard to believe we're in America. I will be making a donation today as well.

wallyworld2

(375 posts)
64. My state has more primary elections
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 11:13 AM
Jul 2016

coming up this month.

If your state does too make sure to vote for the most progressive Democratic candidate.

Vote

Vote

Vote

True Dough

(17,305 posts)
65. There's been a rise of right-wing governments in Europe
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 11:14 AM
Jul 2016

But you think that sort of thing couldn't happen in the U.S. Then dangerous Donald comes along and proves it's not just a phenomenon that's occurring overseas. There is a substantial population of ugly and hateful people in America, and most of them are white men.

no_hypocrisy

(46,105 posts)
66. Even if Trump isn't elected, his supporters remain among us.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 11:24 AM
Jul 2016

They will survive without their leader.

I wondered what happened to all the Nazis once Hitler committed suicide, Germany lost WWII, and the Nuremberg Trials. Did they "wake up", realize what happened, felt remorse, and repented? Not exactly. I stayed in homes in Germany of middle aged and older Germans. I attended a Jaeger Party, isolated in the woods. The hunters sang lustily in German what could be characterized as German Hitler "fight songs". I was shown Nazi artifacts like daggers, belt buckles, pistols replete with swastikas that are hidden in their home basements. They may not be actively Nazi, but they see that period as the good ole days.

It's like the segregationists/Dixicrats from the Plessy tradition in this country. They resent the Brown decision and the Civil Rights Act. They can't do much about it but they haven't necessarily changed their positions.

We're going to have a time keeping this country together even with a democrat in the White House who is offering them prosperity and hope. They don't want the prosperity and hope unless it's being doled out by Donald Trump or another demagogue.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
67. Trump is not what scares me...the people in that GOP crowd and their media enablers do!
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 11:31 AM
Jul 2016

Laura Ingraham actually flashed a Hitler salute last night. She did that. On national TV. And her career is not only NOT OVER, she is a bigger star today than yesterday.

The chants of "lock her up" are twice as odious as "drill, baby drill" and equally inane.

The rabid hate from the stage, from the pundits, from the crowds....its stomach turning and visceral in a way that I feared when it became obvious that Hillary was going to be the nominee sometime around last January.

Those people are horribly ginned up, completely mislead and utterly impervious to reason. How the hell do you compromise or find common ground with people who cheer for a man that claims Hillary Clinton is in league with Lucifer? For fuck's sake, that kind of divorce from reason and sanity is more than frightening, it is downright terrifying.

The "base" has accepted a philandering, talking Yam - and overlooks all of his flip-flops and infidelities and completely non-Christian behavior like it is nothing, like those so-called "firmly held religious beliefs" they tout are as transient as a fart in the wind. They are selling out what they profess to be core values without batting an eye...THAT is terrifying.

For people who have spent decades telling everyone how much their CHristian beliefs mean to them, and why they are so central to their lives that those same beliefs compel them to oppose gay rights and to endorse hateful policies like conversion therapy and refusal to even treat LGBT people as having equal HUMAN rights....for those same people to now be on TV slobbering and screaming "lock her up"? THAT is mortifying.

They are selling their souls to the service of a strong-man dictator figure and they are ravenously applauding the opportunity. WHo does THAT? What kind of craven, hateful imbeciles are these people?

It is utter madness - and the theory that the 'press is cheering it on and celebrating the horse-race aspect for ratings' is supposed to allay my fears? I reject that completely.

Donald Trump is by far the most dangerous candidate for President in the history of the Republic; and I do not think that is hyperbole at all...he is an existential threat to the United States and utterly unfit for office of any kind down to and including dog catcher!

I am stuck in Red State hell here in East Kansas and the hate here is intense and growing hotter...the swing states of PA, OH, VA, FL and maybe NC are where this is won or lost IMO come Nov. We will see how much the campaign and GOTV effort can succeed there...I am planning a trip to my parents' place in FL to volunteer in October. We are going to need everything in the tank to prevent this calamity, and anyone NOT scared right now, better get there fast because this hatefest is not going to calm down....look at how McCain's campaign spiralled out of control in October '08....I was afraid then that someone was going to try to kill President (then candidate) Obama....this year? I am more afraid than I was then for Mrs. Clinton.

WiffenPoof

(2,404 posts)
74. Let's Not Forget A Few Things...
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 09:42 PM
Jul 2016

First of all, the way you are feeling is in some ways a result of watching the Republican Convention. Remember that we have our convention coming up in just a few days. Believe me, you will feel a lot better watching sane people discuss the real issues of our day.

Stop and think about who IS NOT supporting Trump. The numbers are striking. Something like 94% of all African Americans do not support Trump and will NOT be voting for him. Women...I think that the current polling shows that a full 70% of all women will not support Trump in November. Those are horrible numbers for Trump. The Hispanic population has no interest whatsoever in supporting Trump. When you add all of this up, the chances of Trump becoming President is pretty slim.

I understand your fear. So far, nothing has made sense about this election. This makes for uneasy feelings among Democrats and those who know Trump is totally unqualified to be President.

Remember that the polls being taken now are very very early and probably do not reflect what is actually going on out there.

I would wait until it is much closer to November before you start freaking out. Them, if things are just as crazy, I will join you.

-Paige

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
75. I feel Michael Moore is right.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:43 PM
Jul 2016

I think there is a strong chance he will win.
I it will be very difficult to counteract his fantasy message with one based on realty.

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