I feel like Hillary is about to drive her campaign into a massive wreck, and all I can do is watch.

[farmboy]

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Why is she making this vp choice so much harder than it has to be?

Vilsack and Kaine, plenty has been said about their negatives, not the least of which is a lack of charisma or inspiration.

Booker? The guy who wasted millions of dollars forcing charter schools as the fix for our education problems?

All the while it seems she has decided against the one candidate Joe Biden and Harry Reid both would have chosen and who would instantly ignite a fire of passion and energy into this campaign that could result in nothing short of a gigantic victory in November for the Democrats up and down the ticket. None other than Elizabeth Warren.

She is honest. She is passionate. She unquestionably CARES ABOUT ALL AMERICANS GETTING A FAIR SHAKE IN THIS COUNTRY'S ECONOMIC SYSTEM.

The intelligence quotient she and Hillary together would bring is probably higher than has ever been seen during a presidential campaign.

As women, they can't help but bring a new and different perspective to the highest offices of our land. New, forward, progressive for our future.

They balance each other in so many ways: personalities, experiences, constituencies, yet they seem symbiotic when together on a stage.

If the only negative for Hillary is that Warren angers Wall Street cronies, is that really a negative? That argument can be used so strongly to demonstrate she is different than her detractors expected.

Come on, Hillary. Surprise us in the best possible way. Inspire us. Lead us. Pick Elizabeth Warren.

[auntpurl]

1. Your title is really unnecessary.

This site exists to support Hillary Clinton and other Democrats.

[Joe the Revelator]

2. The title is the definition of constructive criticism.

[NCTraveler]

6. "I fell like Hillary is about to drive her campaign into a massive wreck, and all I can do is watch.

That is the title. In no way can it be defined as constructive criticism.

[Joe the Revelator]

8. Sure it can.

The OP goes into detail about why he/she feels that way. I don't agree with the OP, I think Kaine would be a great pick, but the thread itself is constructive.

[NCTraveler]

118. "The title is the definition of constructive criticism." nt.

[pangaia]

116. I would say that headline,

together with the suggestion contained in the body of the post, is about as CONSTRUCTIVE as one can get.

The poster is very concerned, rightly or wrongly, that Clinton would make a big mistake if she selects one of those two for VP, and suggests an alternative that he/she feels would make the 'ticket' (what a funny name) much stronger.

[NCTraveler]

119. I fully agree with what you have outlined. nt.

[KMOD]

10. No. It's destructive criticism.

[Mika]

18. Just go and alert this one. Let's all stick our heads in the sand! eom

[KMOD]

22. Excuse me?

[Demsrule86]

52. You are threading the needle IMHO to avoid a hide but...it still feels like criticism.

And what purpose do posts like this have? There is little we can do to affect the choice of VP nominee. I am with her and trust her.

[Silver_Witch]

72. Why have a discussion board them if all we are allowed to do is

make fun of republicans and green party candidates. Let's just stop posting if childish name calling is all that is allowed.

[KMOD]

76. There is plenty to discuss

without over the top destructive criticism. The OP can certainly make posts about his feelings and opinions on the VP pick, but saying that it's a massive wreck if his choice is not chosen is ridiculous.

[Silver_Witch]

85. Hyperbole much?

This has become an echo chamber of late. I come less and less and am often embarrassed by the posts here where women are called whores and everyone cheers (i.e. Stein), No woman should be called names like that simply because it is wrong. It was wrong when people did it to Hillary and still wrong when other woman are called the same.

The VP choice is important to many of us even if not to everyone here.

I am deeply sad about the ugly posts calling fellow liberals cowards and other horrible things simply because they don't see Hillary as the answer.

Lastly how is Blue No Matter Who different than those on the right who are voting for Trump cause he is the republican candidate? Trump is bad and more than scary...but please explain to me how we are better if we demand silence about our candidate?????

[KMOD]

98. Nobody is demanding silence.

The OP seems to feel that his choice is the only choice, and it will be some kind of massive wreck to him if Hillary does not select his choice. That opinion is ridiculous.

Hillary Clinton is our nominee. If you don't feel she is the answer, and you are looking for someone else to be your answer, perhaps DU is not a good fit for you

[George II]

120. Seems like some, if not many, in this discussion feel they know more about what makes....

....a Vice President than Hillary Clinton. That is preposterous.

Whoever the choice is, it will be a well thought out and intelligent choice, and will complement her candidacy, policies, and Presidency.

Has anyone seen what has been going on in Cleveland the last three nights?

[KMOD]

128. It's just like the people who like to tell others

what is in their best interest.

[sheshe2]

148. Suppose, just suppose...

Elizabeth Warren does not want the job. Is Hillary suppose to twist her arm? I too am tired of people 'splainin to EW/HC what is in their best interests. Why are they doing that to two women, do you think? Hmmm.

Thanks, KMOD.

[still_one]

99. Not sure if I have seen the vulgarities you speak of, but were you embarressed when those

vulgarities, and worse were hurled at Hillary here?

As for hyperbole, what do you think "is about to drive her campaign into a massive wreck" is?

I can think of a hundred of different ways to express support for a VP instead of characterizing it as a "massive wreak"

Hillary is the Democratic nominee, and will do just fine in her choice of VP

[George II]

132. And it'll be a "massive wreck" IF anyone other than Warren is chosen!

[still_one]

167. almost like a biblical prophec........... should I start building an ark? What is a cubit by the

way?

[George II]

183. Ask Sheldon Cooper - he has a t-shirt with Rubic's Cubit on it.

[Silver_Witch]

189. Of course I did

There is no reason to say such things about any woman. Ever...nor any reason to judge anyone by their hair or clothing choice. There were plenty of good reasons to debate whether Hillary was the best choice...now she is the dem candidate and still people demand we remain silent and not discuss what the party needs to d to win.

My point is just that BLUE no matter who is the same as all republicans voting for Trump no matter what he is...it is wrong. Wrong to call people names, wrong to call dems and liberals cowards, wrong to call any woman a whore any woman and wrong to tell any woman voting SHE should vote the way she is told to by you or anyone!

[still_one]

214. good

[George II]

145. I haven't seen a single post calling Jill Stein a whore, and if there are any, I'm sure....

...the number is a small fraction of those calling Clinton the same thing and worse.

[LakeArenal]

152. Our way or the highway

I think the title has become a poor choice. However in saying DU is all Clinton now and get on it or get out is almost as over the top as the poor choice of title. Everyone here is for Clinton. Is Farmboy suggesting if she picks Kaine he won't vote for her? Everyone seems to over look the comments about how intelligent they both are, how inspiring it would be, what great leadership to pick some sparkle along with all that pragmatism. It is an opinion. Just his opinion. Until there is a choice, everyone has the right to have an opinion about the pick.. Save all the indignation to see if EW isn't picked does Farmboy go on a rant that there's no way he'll support her. Then might be a time to suggest he leave DU. All this angst about a poor choice of headline. And yet how many of you would have turned into read if was simply titled Here's one guys opinion about the VP choice.
Let's all try to stay as supporting of everyone as we can be. This whole campaign has been built on the civility that has been lacking in campaigns for decades. Save the energy to face attacks that will be arriving as early as next week. If we have to have enemies, let's make it all Republicans.

[Silver_Witch]

186. I wish I still felt we are civil I am loosing faith

Very nice post thank u

[bettyellen]

162. Did you alert on the Stein is a whore post- I would and also contact the admins of it stood.

I know many of us are committed to getting rid of that sexist crap here- including the admin.
Please send me a link! I'm happy to do it.

[Silver_Witch]

184. Thank you BettyYellen....

cant find the link and dont want to be alerted for posting meta. also have broken my right arm quit badly so cutting n pasting is a challenge....

[bettyellen]

198. Hope you feel better! If you find the thread (did you post in it?) shoot me a link in PM.

Happy to help

[zappaman]

178. LOL!!!

[okasha]

138. Exactly.

Every time I see that username I hear pearls rattling along the floor.

[NWCorona]

79. Agreed!

[newthinking]

95. Funny how that is. In the past VP choice was discussed.

and as discussions like this go sometimes people had strong feelings. Why should we not expect people to still have opinions and want to discuss it? This is still labeled as a "discussion board"?

[Silver_Witch]

191. This ^^

[Demsrule86]

223. This is a Democratic site and it is an election year,

if you want to tear down our nominees and our party why are you here? Yes, we should promote our candidates and make fun of the other side.

[pansypoo53219]

86. its a WAKE UP CALL! we are running agains a 2 year old eddie haskill and the GNEWZ LOVES SQUIRLZ!

they WILL GORE HER! don't give them an EXCUSE.

[bulloney]

143. They WILL GORE HER! don't give them an EXCUSE.

The Democrats can have Jesus Christ himself on their presidential ticket and the Republicans would smear him into being satan reincarnated.

[pangaia]

113. Destructive how? What does it destroy?

The OP'er thinks Clinton is about to make a big mistake and suggests his/her opinion on what might be a better choice for VP.
I would say that is about as CONSTRUCTIVE as one can get.

[red dog 1]

141. + 1

[KMOD]

156. His opinion is that it will be a "massive wreck"

if Hillary Clinton does not select his choice of VP.

Explain how that is constructive. It is his opinion that her campaign will somehow be damaged if she doesn't make the right choice. It's also very arrogant of the poster to believe that his opinion on VP choice is more important than Hillary's actual decision.

[George II]

34. More like DEstructive criticism.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

80. No, it's the definition of concern trolling. nt

[Democat]

107. It is the opposite of constructive

But expected at DU these days.

[farmboy]

14. It is constructive criticism in the form of a last minute wake up call before the wreck happens.

[KMOD]

49. A more apt title may have been

"I feel like Hillary's VP decision is driving me into a massive wreck".

[farmboy]

102. I'll stick with my initial title, thanks.

[Haveadream]

185. I agree with your preference for Elizabeth Warren

For all of the reasons you list. Unfortunately, there are other lists which may be more important right now as much as that might be personally disappointing. The campaign does its own internal polling and has a finger on the pulse of what the electorate, especially in swing states, is looking for. Those concerns and the number of people with them, in the places that matter in November, may be greater than the numbers reluctant Bernie holdouts represent.

The GOP itself is using a lot of terror scare tactics and some undecideds are looking for a strong foreign policy/military type, which EW is not. There is also a significant populist movement and that might mean someone outside establishment party politics would draw more votes. The rustbelt, of which swing state Ohio is a part, needs a job recovery program and there are several people in contention who are stronger for that than Warren. The choice really depends on which person is best suited to address criteria the campaign is privvy to and we are not. I suspect whoever is chosen will likely be a very good fit for what will be the larger campaign takeaway message/narrative.

[turbinetree]

73. Hey, Farmboy

Honk-----------------for a political revolution

[rury]

88. Amen.

That's exactly what it is, constructive criticism in the hopes of avoiding a train wreck. But I assume that her inner circle is telling her that a ticket featuring two women is doomed and she has to select a white man in order to be electorally competitive with trumpence.
And I must remark that DU has changed significantly in the last few years.
Now posts critical of Hillary Clinton are hidden.
That's a sea change from the days when posters who called President Obama a "sellout" were allowed to stand while others just piled on.
I guess I'll get a hide for saying that.
I don't care though. Carry on.

[Surya Gayatri]

36. Thanks for going first...

[heresAthingdotcom]

135. Rachel Maddow said there are 3 choices to make

an August Choice, a November Choice or a January Choice.....

MADDOW: In political science, there is a basic model for explaining
the strategy when a presidential nominee picks their running mate. My
friend Steve Benen at Maddow Blog writes about this every four years for
both parties and every four years, it blows everybody`s mind and people
think Steve made it up because it`s such a good model and helpful
understanding it.

But it is an old political science model. It`s been around for a
long time. And the basic idea of it is this – it`s totally worth getting
because I think it clarifies these choices. When a presidential campaign
is looking for a vice president, they pick either an August, a November, or
January.

If you pick an August, that means you are picking a running mate who
will help you in August and help you bring your own party at your party
convention in July or August, you want your own party to put aside past
infighting. You want everybody not only in your whole party structure but
your whole party base to agree this is a great choice and the two of you
together are a great ticket. You`re trying to repair or at least paper
over any hard feelings that might still exist in the primary. That`s an
August choice.

The classic example of an August choice was in 1980 when Ronald
Reagan picked Poppy Bush not because he particularly liked Poppy Bush, but
because Poppy Bush had come in second to him in a very difficult primary
and the primary was divided and that was way to bring Republicans together.
In that case, it worked. So, Poppy Bush would be a prototypical August
choice.

You can also choose a November choice, a running mate who`s designed
to help you win in November, in the November election. Now, I don`t want
to prejudice you against November choices by saying this, because honestly,
sometimes a November choice makes a ton of sense, but the prototypical
example of somebody who is in November as a running mate would be John
McCain picking Sarah Palin.

Don`t jump to conclusions. It made sense at the time. He thought
after the Democrats had had their fractious primary between Obama and
Hillary Clinton in `08, John McCain thought picking a woman would help him
get disaffected voters who didn`t like Obama.

John McCain was also – excuse me, really old and he`s a Washington
institution. He thought he could compensate for both things by picking
somebody young and somebody completely unknown on the national stage. So,
Sarah Palin was a November choice. She`s a prototypical November choice.

She also ended up being a lot of other things but November was the
strategic thinking between – behind why they chose her. So, you can pick
an August, you can pick a November or you can pick a January.

And a January is somebody who you don`t necessarily think is going to
help you consolidate your party at your convention, you don`t necessarily
think they`re going to help you win the general election in November, but
you do know come inauguration day, when you are sworn in as president, that
person is good at governing. They`re going to be good and responsible at
helping you put together your administration.

And I know that sounds like the sort of the more admirable of these
three choices, but I don`t mean it that way. The prototypical January
choice as a vice-presidential running mate is probably the worst vice
president in this modern history of our country, Dick Cheney. So, don`t
let these prototypical examples of these kinds of choices make you think
one is better than the other.

They`re all just reasonably strategic differences to the same
problem, right? These are the three classic strategic categories for how
you pick a running mate, August, November, January.

Which one of these problems are you trying to solve? Do you have
worries within your own party? You have worries about the general
election. You have worries about your ability to govern? Do you want to
settle those worries among anybody in the electorate?

I mean, if that`s the framework in these poli-sci 101 barebones,
Elizabeth Warren would obviously be an August for Hillary Clinton, right?
I mean, that`s not to say she wouldn`t be great at governing or that she
wouldn`t help win the general election in November. But the first and
fundamental thing she would bring to the ticket would be consolidation of
Democratic and liberal support for Hillary Clinton. I mean, Hillary
Clinton is not going to put Bernie Sanders on the ticket, but putting
Elizabeth Warren on the ticket is probably the next best thing.

There have been some rumblings in the beltway press Democratic Wall
Street journals might be turned off by Elizabeth Warren getting tapped by
V.P. But you know what? That`s exactly the kind of of intraparty dispute
Hillary Clinton not only wants right now, she`s going to want to pound her
chest about and brag about if she is going to excite and consolidate the
Democratic Party base, as he wants to try to win over every Bernie Sanders
voter in the country and if she wants to run as an unabashed progressive
and even more progressive successor to Barack Obama and Joe Biden. A fight
with Democrats on Wall Street would actually be helpful to her with the
rest of the party.

So, Elizabeth Warren would be an August. Here`s the thing, though.
New polling just out, especially new polling just out from the “Washington
Post”/ABC poll suggests that maybe the Democratic Party doesn`t need an
August right now? Maybe the Democratic Party doesn`t need all that much
more unifying. It doesn`t need that much more persuading when it comes to
getting behind Clinton.

A month ago, when “The Washington Post” and ABC polled Bernie Sanders
supporters, 20 percent of Bernie Sanders supporters said they were going to
vote for Donald Trump in the general election. Now, one month later in the
same poll, that number is down to 8 percent. I know, it is still kind of
shocking to imagine even 8 percent of Bernie Sanders supporters voting for
Donald Trump, but in context, that`s a remarkably small number.

Compare it with the Obama-Clinton primary in 2008. This same poll,
“Washington Post”/ABC, they kept going back over and over again asking
Clinton supporters in `08 in the lead up to the general election, OK, your
candidate didn`t become the nominee? Didn`t become the nominee, are you
going to vote for the nominee, or are you going to vote for Obama, or are
you still so mad about the primary that you`re actually going to vote for
John McCain?

And a lot of Hillary Clinton supporters said they were going to vote
John McCain. And they didn`t give that up. This time eight years ago, 20
percent of Clinton supporters in the Democratic primary said they were
going to vote for John McCain. It actually went up in July to 22 percent.
Stayed around 18 percent and 19 percent in August and September.

By October 2008, a month before the election, still, the proportion
of Hillary Clinton supporters from the Democratic primary who said they
couldn`t bring themselves to vote for Obama and they were going to vote for
John McCain instead, it was still 14 percent in October. The equivalent
Bernie Sanders number right now is already down at 8 percent already.

So, straight up poli-sci analysis says the Democratic Party doesn`t
need an August right now, doesn`t need an August choice for vice president
in August coming out of the Democratic Convention in Philly, the Democrats
are going to be fine in terms of party unity.

But you know what? Poli-sci isn`t life. And the Clinton campaign
knows all that stuff I just said like everybody does, everybody knows those
basic details if you care about them. Still, the Clinton campaign is doing
something here with Elizabeth Warren today that really makes it look like
they`re going to pick her.

Regardless of those poli-sci expectations, they are raising real life
expectations that they`re going to pick Elizabeth Warren. You don`t do an
event like this with somebody you`re not going to pick, do you? If you
are, you`re raising the prospect of a real letdown, a real disappointment
in the Democratic base if they don`t now that they`re doing stuff like
this.

So, who knows? Maybe they`re throwing the common wisdom out the
window here. And you know what? There`s one last point on that common
wisdom. It has generally been assumed by just about every observer of this
race that it would be too demographically ambitious, it would just be a
bridge too far for the Democratic Party to not just nominate a woman for
president for the first time, but to run an all-female ticket, to nominate
a woman for president and vice president.


http://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/rachel-maddow-show/2016-06-27

[red dog 1]

165. I like Rachel Maddow, but

"August, November & January picks"?

It makes no sense to me.

I just hope Hillary chooses Elizabeth Warren!

[annavictorious]

207. Well Rachel does have a doctorate in politics from Oxford

where she studied as a Rhodes scholar, so she may be on to something even if she is a girl.

[red dog 1]

208. "even if she is a girl"?

WTF does that mean?

[NCTraveler]

3. "Why is she making this vp choice so much harder than it has to be? "

I don't see where she is making it difficult.

I never understood the thought that there is only one person for a job. Thought the thought process was foolish when Geithner was sold to us in this manner and find it to be the same with the EW or bust crowd.

[bluedye33139]

21. Yeah, me neither

She seems to be putting together a list and having people discuss it with her, the normal way that a vice-presidential pick is made.

[NCTraveler]

26. Exactly.

I would love EW. That doesn't mean I think she is the only one that would be excellent. This is how adults make decisions.

[tallahasseedem]

47. It's a process that has been exploited by the media...

I'm not sure why the OP feels otherwise. She's interviewing candidates for a VP position, it takes time!

[ToxMarz]

63. "I never understood the thought that there is only one person for a job. "

Exactly, the right VP for Hillary is probably not going to be same as for Sanders or for O'Malley. Everyone has different skill sets, personalities, work styles. It is Hillary VP, not each individual voters. It isn't neccessariiy a snub on anyone not chosen, but they have to be the best partner for her. It's like people who believe they know who you should date or marry. It's not a personal affront to everyone you didn't marry.

[farmboy]

126. I don't think only Warren would be excellent as Hillary's vp. But she would be excellent and better

by far than Kaine, Vilsack or Booker. Not sure of Perez, but I like what I know and have read on him. Sherrod Brown would have been great to for many of the same reasons I posted about Warren, but he doesn't seem to be on the short list.

[ToxMarz]

155. For you she would be a better pick, but Hillary is the nominee and it is for her to decide which

is the best fit for her. It is a very demanding job and she needs someone that she feels she can work best with. I also think Warren would be great, but I support Hillary and trust her to make the decision that is right for her.

[The_Counsel]

93. How Do We Know a Decision Isn't ALREADY Made...?

...and Clinton isn't just waiting for the right moment to announce for maximum effect?

To announce this week, for example, likely means it gets drowned by the dumpster fire that is the RNC. So, there's that...

[NCTraveler]

94. I don't know if a decision has already been made. I never made such a point. nt.

[The_Counsel]

125. You Didn't. I was Just Addressing the "Making the Decision Difficult" Question.

As did you.

I probably just posted in the wrong place...

[NCTraveler]

129. I imagine it's a very extensive process we see little into.

When it comes to things like this I have learned there is no way to know a lot. We are dealing with leaks and trial balloons. Political theatre. We could still see a name that has been mentioned very little. Possibly even out of politics.

On this one I'm just trying to fake it like I know what I'm talking about.

[The_Counsel]

154. +1

Everyone else is faking it. Why not us?

[MineralMan]

4. Your concern is overstated and probably unnecessary.

Whoever Hillary Clinton chooses as a running mate, she is the presidential candidate and she is the one who will win the election. I think you can relax and not worry about any sort of "massive wreck" as you put it.

Instead, contact your local Democratic Party organization and ask how you can help, as a volunteer, with campaigning and GOTV work. That will help ensure her election.

[leftofcool]

5. Your title is against the TOS

[Joe the Revelator]

9. Which part? nt

[farmboy]

12. In what way? Please explain.

[ibegurpard]

30. Then alert on it

[greiner3]

68. This is NOT the Hillary group

[KMOD]

78. Actually, it is.

Hillary Clinton is our Democratic nominee, and the goal at this website during the GE is to help her get elected.

[farmboy]

97. And trying to get Hillary elected is exactly what I'm doing. My advice is as valid as any other.

[KMOD]

103. You are not Hillary's advisor.

You are a poster on a message board with an opinion.

[farmboy]

123. Never claimed to be. I post my opinion because it matters as much as yours or the next.

And I know national Democratic operatives do read these boards. It is one way to attempt to get one's opinions read by those who are making the decisions.

[KMOD]

130. lol

[auntpurl]

87. Oh yes it is.

All of DU is the Hillary group now.

[leftofcool]

147. Actually, I believe it is.

[bullimiami]

7. I have to trust they are doing their research and will have too reasons for the pick

[speaktruthtopower]

11. They need someone with appeal in a big swing state

[Sheepshank]

13. Sorry you have bought into the overly dramatic

Hillary's choices set before her is all being calculated on several fronts. I trust she knows what she is doing, what is on the line and what her VP will bring to the table to help her win the Presidency.

[farmboy]

20. She has to win the presidency before any vp governing help will be necessary; thus, my concerns.

[brooklynite]

15. The votes Clinton needs are in the center, not the liberal-left.

Vermont, Minnesota and Oregon aren't in play. Ohio, Virginia and Florida are.

[rjsquirrel]

17. Exactly right

and anyone on the left who doesn't see that is blinded by ideology in the same way conservative purists are.

[Joe the Revelator]

19. This is the truth.

[farmboy]

27. And what Warren brings is honesty, care and passion for EVERYONE in ALL states. No geo limits.

The argument that Warren is just attractive to fringe liberals is ridiculous and unproven. Polls have shown her with as balanced positive/negative ratios as almost any politician today. And she can SPEAK to people in their language of worry and angst and hope and love. She is our best chance.

[Surya Gayatri]

39. ^^^This!^^^

[underpants]

54. 78 to 3

CA OR WA HI equal 78 electoral college votes

Alaska equals 3 votes

When they start calling states at 10 pm on election night add 78 to the Dem and 3 to the Repub. Those are the closest things to LOCKS as you will find and the 78 is 28.8% of the 270 needed to win.

I'm just accentuating your post.

[LiberalLovinLug]

121. Just the opposite

Clinton herself represents the center. In fact more like the center-right. She needs a partner that will garner the respect of traditional Democrats and younger Democrat voters that are not keen on the neo-Dem Third way corporatism.

[hueymahl]

133. This ^^^

Last thing she needs is someone to the right of her. Also the last thing this country needs.

[LiberalLovinLug]

150. And I think she is waffling because she really really really wanted to go to the right on her pick

Before the primaries started. Before the Dem base felt the Bern...

Her plan was to follow along the way she has followed since her Iraq vote. To portray herself as a tough cookie that is not shy of using the military to (attempt to) solve problems. IMO she had wanted, and may still want, to pick maybe some ex-military commander. Or at least someone who represents a conservative mindset. In hopes to sway some undecided center/right voters her way.

She can't swing both ways though. She has to choose between picking up the required votes to put her over the top from the right, or from the left. I think she is smart enough to understand the very real concerns from the left of the party that has been woken up by Bernie. This threw a monkey wrench into her plans.

I also suspect that she may be only meeting with Warren to give the impression that she is listening to the left, but in the end will pick a conservative for VP. We'll see.

[annavictorious]

210. Where is there any waffling?

This is pretty typical timeline. Why are you assuming indecision? This is the way it gets done.

[red dog 1]

171. + 1

[rjsquirrel]

16. Your concern is duly recorded

for posterity.

[MohRokTah]

23. Your concern concerning this concern is concerning. eom

[rjsquirrel]

104. That is none of your concern

as far as I am concerned.

Now back to your pre-scheduled falling sky with your corespondent, Mr. Chuck N. Little.

[RAFisher]

24. Anyone watched Veep? That's about how much power Clinton's VP will have.

Clinton already has her advisers and people. The VP is not going to be doing anything important.

[brooklynite]

28. This is of course your opinion and based on no evidence at all.

[iandhr]

45. "A mother had two sons.

One went to sea; the other became vice president; and neither was heard from again."



You are correct. The VP won't have that much influence.

[zappaman]

25. Concerning!!!111

[KMOD]

29. but, but,

all he can do is watch. He's so helpless. She needs to take his advice.

[Squinch]

31. I really hope he is panicking hard. Otherwise we are sure to lose.

[ismnotwasm]

32. No, she isn't.

[MoonRiver]

33. There will be no train wreck, except possibly in your perception.

Most Dems will be just fine with her choice. Take deep breaths.

[George II]

35. How do we, or you, know that Biden and Reid would have chosen Warren? And what is...

....being dragged out? VP choices are generally announced a few days before the convention.

[Squinch]

82. The timing is actually great. Let the Republicans have their Titanic. Immediately after it, steal

the news cycle by announcing the VP. Let the fascist images, the hitlerian arm raises, the chants of "lock her up" steep in people's minds while they run that ad with the kids watching trump make fun of disabled people and women.

I think it's all intentional, and well done.

[sweetapogee]

37. she's gonna pick

someone. And that person will be the very definition of awesome. Bank on it.

[jamese777]

38. Why should anyone care?

What one person "feels like?" You have a feeling, you're entitled to your feeling. Feelings are not facts.
The Vice Presidential pick, whoever it might be, has minimal impact on a campaign, ANY campaign.
How do you know that Senator Warren would even accept the position if it was offered? Senator Warren might well prefer to remain in the Senate where she can have a real impact on policy rather than in a largely ceremonial job where your her primary responsibility is to just stay alive.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

40. Are you a professional in the area of politics?

Because my guess is that she picks someone after consulting a multitude of actual professionals who guided her to a better decisions than amateurs can.

[Mike Nelson]

41. Huh?

...I have not heard any Dem names that qualify as a "train wreck." Trump had them, not Hillary.

[iandhr]

42. Has anyone considered Elizabeth Warren doesn't want the job?

She would gain more power on the Senate banking committee if we retake the majority?

[markj757]

142. She definitely wants the job......she accepted being vetted

And said on Racheal Maddow she is ready to be Commander and Chief.

[Orsino]

43. We're talking Kaine, not Palin.

It's not going to be a massive wreck.

[stevenleser]

56. Right? The melodrama in the OP is over the top. VP picks just don't make that big of a difference.

Unless they are completely incompetent ala a Palin.

[newthinking]

90. I have seen other back and forth about vp picks in past elections. Why can't it be discussed?

This is still a discussion board. People will discuss and argue.

[red dog 1]

173. + 1

Well stated!

[stevenleser]

213. Who is saying it can't be discussed? The point is the OP is melodrama not discussion. nt

[newthinking]

219. The entire site is melodrama at the moment. So we produce more melodrama

to try and stop what else we consider melodrama?

I think you are being melodramatic?

[farmboy]

221. I'm reading much thoughtful discussion that my post has generated. Sorry, your mind reading is wrong

[Blanks]

101. And despite her incompetence...

McCain wasn't going to win anyway after 8 years of Dubya.

The VP choice makes very little difference.

[RonniePudding]

179. I suspect the OP supported someone else in the primaries

Just a hunch.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

44. I trust Team Clinton to do their due diligence.

I preferred Warren, Brown, Perez, Becerra in that order but Kaine checks off a lot of boxes

Speaks idiomatic Spanish
Comes from a key swing state
Has foreign policy experience
In the mainstream of Democratic politics.

[LoverOfLiberty]

46. "I feel like Hillary is about to drive her campaign into a massive wreck"

because she may not pick who I think she should for VP.

[auntpurl]

89. Maybe she's just been waiting for the OP to state his preference before she makes her choice.

I'm sure she's glued to DU.

[Eric J in MN]

48. spelling: 'Harry Reid.' Otherwise, I agree. NT

NT

[farmboy]

105. Thanks for the catch.

[Demsrule86]

50. More Concern

And Hillary must...

[liberal N proud]

51. How do you know that she isn't just leading or constructively miss-leading the story

So as to keep her choice quite until she is ready to name them.

Besides, all the candidates listed are great and respected leaders.

[ananda]

53. Why would she pick Visack or Kaine?

She's got so many other much better choices.

This would hurt big time.

[MoonRiver]

65. In YOUR opinion

You forgot to add that detail.

[hueymahl]

134. That is pretty much implied

Virtually everyone's posts are "in their opinion"

[newthinking]

220. sometimes it seems "opinions" are becoming against TOS

and what are deemed "discussions" have become narrower and narrower.

[Native]

55. Hillary said early on that she was going to make sure her choice would ensure a win.

The woman is brilliant, and she is surrounded by other great minds. Do you really think they don't know the enormity of this election? How many times do we have to hear, "This is the election of a lifetime!" And it isn't just Hillary, all Dems know how much is on the line with this election. Do you really think that her choice is going to be someone that brings her down or doesn't help the ticket? Actually, this is the one election that I can remember in like forever where I'm not worried about the VP pick in the least. I have the utmost confidence that she is going to pick someone that will help us get it done.

And I'm going to be a part of history tomorrow when I'm in the same room with her when she announces her choice. Gonna be wearing my Love Trumps Hate t-shirt and a smile from ear to ear.

[patricia92243]

57. I think she has already decided, but now during the GOP's party is not the time to announce it.

SHe will get more bang for her buck - publicity wise - if she waits.

[ConservativeDemocrat]

58. Kaine is clearly the best pick

Hillary has an extremely good chance to pick up a lot of moderate Republicans this year, and/or get them to be so disenchanted with Trump that they'll skip the election entirely.

The one thing that might bring them back into the Republican fold is making it seem as if she only listens to the far left of the party. So Kaine is the obvious choice.

Even if Kaine wasn't in the running, Warren is completely out of it, because picking her would be giving up a Democratic Senate seat. Nope. Sorry. Not going to happen.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[SFnomad]

59. Concern trolling at its finest ...

And with the only other OPs you've created:

Imagine "Dem Base Says 'BLAH' To Clinton VP Pick" or "Polls Show Clinton Choice Boring" YIKES
First Time I Can Remember Getting More Worried and Less Excited as Dem VP Choice Gets Closer

It seems like concern trolling is all you do.

[Her Sister]

71. Busted! Hahaha!

That's all they have to add to the discussion!

[farmboy]

109. Don't like my opinions or how I say them, too bad. Just as viable than opinions of yours.

[Her Sister]

127. Yes, you are a consistent concerner!

'bout it!

[farmboy]

111. Thanks for the extra publicity of my opinions on this vp matter. Very important to me.

[CrowCityDem]

60. It's a hard decision. If you just pick someone for excitement, you might end up with Palin.

You need to find someone who is prepared for the job, brings something to the ticket you don't, and meshes with you on a personal level that would make you want to work with them day in and day out for the next eight years.

That's not an easy decision at all.

[RBInMaine]

61. You seem to want the VP pick to be recess happy dance play time. I think this post is a "wreck".

[csziggy]

62. How many statements has Hillary Clinton herself issued about her VP choice?

I don't think she has made one single statement on the subject. Every story about the VP choice have been based on "unnamed sources" or has been pure speculation by the media.

So how is "Hillary is about to drive her campaign into a massive wreck?" The media may be trying to get her there, internet sources may be, but how exactly is Hillary doing it?

Sure, she could get her final pick announced to stop the speculation - but if she still has not finalized her choice, how is she supposed to do that?

If she does not pick Elizabeth Warren, I would bet it would be because Warren doesn't think she would be the best choice for VP. We know that Hillary and Elizabeth have had several meetings and that they campaign well together - but maybe Warren would rather have a cabinet office or maybe she thinks she would do better to stay in the Senate.

I like that she is taking her time and carefully considering her selection. Clinton is supposed to announce her choice tomorrow. I'm willing to wait until then to criticize her selection if I don't like whoever it may be.

[giftedgirl77]

64. Your concern is noted..

[hueymahl]

136. Very respectful of you. NT

[giftedgirl77]

160. Lol, that was the revised edition.

You would've choked on your knickers if I would've posted my original thought.

[pnwmom]

66. I asked the two strongest Bernie supporters I know and neither of them are enthused

about Elizabeth Warren.

They're going to vote for Hillary now because they can't stand Trump, but EW as VP doesn't matter to them.

One of them, a recent college graduate (who says all of his friends were for Bernie) also said he likes EW but doesn't think most people know her.

[farmboy]

114. I've talked to BS supporters who are still angry at EW for not vocally supporting him in primary.

But I can't imagine they would NOT vote for Clinton because she picks Warren, and I think it WOULD swing many who say now they aren't enthused by Clinton.

More importantly, I think Warren's sincere passion for everyday people and personal manner of expressing that concern will draw in so many others, Sander people or not.

(I have never been a Sanders person; long time supporter of Clinton.)

[pnwmom]

117. I like EW a lot, too, so I was kind of surprised that these Bernie people didn't agree with me.

But over the decades, I haven't seen the VP choice ever be what made a candidacy catch fire. Can you think of one?

[markj757]

151. Like most people know Kaine or Vilsack? Your 2 person poll doesn't fully reflect our party thinking

After seeing how far Bernie was able to get, I think Warren would have actually beaten Hillary for the nomination, and I think she is our best chance to almost guarantee a landslide victory with her on the ticket as VP.

[tonyt53]

67. The woman is smart. Her advisers are smart. Because of that, whoever she picks will be fine with me.

A VP goes to funerals and that is about it. They have no real power except in a tie vote in the Senate.

[40RatRod]

69. I have my preference for a VP but...

...I don't always get what I want. I feel Hillary is one smart lady and whoever she chooses will be well qualified for the job.

[4lbs]

70. Yawn! Hillary's "worst" choice is 100 times better than Dumpster's best possible choice.

No matter who she picks, the person will wipe the floor with Mike Pence.

[Her Sister]

74. I trust the nominee to pick her running mate!

eom

[PdxSean]

75. Trust, but don't trust?

So, you trust her to be President, but you don't trust her to pick a running mate?

This reminds me of when Republicans trashed Obama for taking a measured, informed approach to the Afghanistan troop withdrawal. They wanted a "decider" who'd just charge forward rather than someone who'd actually read the intelligence reports and question his military advisors.

I suggest we trust that she's got this. Of course, my response would be very different if Hillary actually called and asked for my personal opinion. Until that happens, I'll focus on getting each and every one of my relatives to vote in November.

[farmboy]

96. Sorry to prove your capability to point out trolls as very broken and misguided.

Iam a...

Long time supporter of Hillary who will vote for her this November

Democratic voter who hasn't missed an election day, national or local, primary or general in 25 years

Long time DU member who only posts when I feel it is important. Not to much on chitchat usually.

Long time political volunteer who has phone-banked, led voter registrations, knocked on thousands of doors, and single-handedly driven hundreds of voters to polls during the last three presidential elections

Troll? Go find someone else you disagree with to accuse. Or rather, don't.

[Democat]

110. Creative ways to bash Clinton

That's is the reason some people are here.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

81. Your concern is dul---oh, crap 200 people already beat me to it.

Never mind.

[Hekate]

83. Your deep concern is deeply noted

Your subject line says it all: "I feel like Hillary is about to drive her campaign into a massive wreck, and all I can do is watch."

Thank you

[JGug1]

84. Elizabeth Warren

No, NO, NOOOOOO.....
I love Elizabeth. We cannot give up that Senate seat. I like Corey Booker a LOT. He made a mistake. There are other great choices. NOT Elizabeth.

[bucolic_frolic]

91. Our personal worries are very real to us

Our candidate has earned the right to select a running mate

and we trust her to make a good choice for the election, to run the
country if needed, and to choose someone she can work with

What we ask most of her is to maximize our chances in November

Other drama does not factor into the equation

[tavernier]

92. I think she will announce it tonight

Right before Fingers gets on the stage.

[retrowire]

100. if not warren then i dont know

What the fuck I'm gonna do.

[KMOD]

106. There's always your moderating job at JPR

to fall back on.

[JudyM]

211. Treading a mite close to to the personal attack line, aren't we?

[msanthrope]

224. How is that a personal attack? nt

[JudyM]

225. Res ipsa loquitur. Exclusionary putdown, as if Retrowire doesn't have just as much right to be here

as you do. It's a completely transparent slam.

[msanthrope]

226. No one has "the right" to be here. We are here at admin's pleasure.

Now, I would not choose to be associated with a site that uses the c-word to describe women.....but others are free to do so.

[JudyM]

227. It was exclusionary shaming aimed personally at retrowire. Whatever else you throw, at least

have the integrity to admit it when it's called. Personal attacks are not allowed here, per TOS, you know that.

[msanthrope]

228. Okay......let me see if I have this correctly. You think that pointing

out to others that retrowire moderates another site that allows women to be called the c-word is "exclusionary shaming" that is outside the bounds of the TOS? Right?

[JudyM]

229. It's not about the other site, msanthrope. It's about slamming retrowire. That's all, let's let it

go, have a good day.

[msanthrope]

230. Have you considered that moderating a site that allows the c-word to be used to describe women

might be, well, self-exclusionary?

Adults make choices. Sometimes those choices get commented on. Perhaps.....if shame and exclusion are felt, it might indicate that it's time for a rethink of those choices. I think that's called cognitive dissonance.

[Chakaconcarne]

108. She won't pick Warren because

Warren is considered "hostile" to the banking industry. Warren is in the Hillary spotlight to help pull in the Sanders supporters... I hope I am wrong.

[Eric J in MN]

122. Partially agree and partially disagree.

I want Elizabeth Warren to be the next VP. I agree that opposition from HRC's Wall St donors make her less likely than some of the others.

However, I think HRC is really considering Warren. When HRC was First Lady and Warren was a law professor, HRC met with her to discuss a bankruptcy bill. When they recently did a rally together in Cincinnati, HRC seemed to really enjoy it.

[vi5]

112. I don't like Booker....

....but I prefer him to Kaine or Vilisak since he at least has charm and charisma and I can see him increasing voter turnout and inspiring people, particularly those who are unaware of his heavy Wall Street ties and anti-Public education stance.

If we have to have someone from the corporate wing of the party at least they should be charming and likable.

[afertal]

115. You are condemned to the 2-party system.....

....which consistently produces 'lesser of two evil' choices for presidential candidates. If you are blindly a "Democrat", that's what you will continue to get. The only way that this will be fixed is to extract the parties from the presidential primary process and create a true National Presidential Primary independent of any political party.

[The Green Manalishi]

124. The negative for Warren is that we need her in the Senate.

We REALLY need her in the Senate!

[tiredtoo]

131. The title and the thread

Are both ok.
OP is posting an opinion on VP candidates. this is a discussion board after all. Personally i would like to see Elizabeth but will root and cheer for whoever she picks.

[classof56]

137. All you can do is watch?

I mostly don't agree with your assessment of where Hillary is headed, but I would recommend that you contact her, express your views, work hard to frame the campaign and GOTV. How she withstands the hatred and vile rhetoric she's subjected to is simply amazing to me, and the more I watch the Trump supporters in action, the stronger I support Hillary.

Cheers.

[markj757]

139. Although I disagree with the massive wreck line, I'm definitely in the Warren as VP pick camp and

I will say this.....If she picks Vilsack, Kaine, or Booker and looses, I bet she would have won if she picked Warren. Because whether Hillary supporters want to say it out loud, I would say a size-able number of Democrats and Independents, me included, just don't like her that much, and wish we had another option besides Trump. Obama didn't have that problem, even by people who wanted Hillary as their candidate, Obama was still very well liked by her supporters. But if Hillary pics Warren, I would be so much more motivated to make sure I vote and also donate money to make sure that ticket wins in November. And I think there are millions of people out there who feel the exact same way. I don't want to vote against someone, I want to vote for someone.

[red dog 1]

176. + 1

"If Hillary picks Warren"..

I, too, "think there are millions of people out there" who would be very happy at such a choice.

[markj757]

201. Unfortunately I have to say....I'm not holding my breath....

Hillary has proven to be someone who is quick to do things for political expediency (one of the reasons why I really don't like her) and the safe choice is obviously Kaine, but I honestly believe after almost loosing to Sanders who became the voice and champion of the Liberal wing of our party, we at least deserve to have Warren as our liberal champion inside her administration.

[frazzled]

140. Never a good idea to go with your "feelings"

That was GW Bush's MO, and look where it got him (and us).

Better to use your brain.

[farmboy]

170. Plenty of people use their feelings better than did W. Emotions and logic can coexist and do for me.

[frazzled]

174. But your post was about how you felt

You expressed the opinion that Vilsack and Kaine are boring (even though that may be a net positive in a vice presidential candidate to the extent that they do not draw undue attention; as long as they are competent, experienced and, most important, trusted as an advisor to the nominee, they may be seen as a wise choice by many others). Your opinion is that candidates whose politics don't cohere precisely with your own, and who you deem boring, would be a disaster.

You seem to think that any candidate who is not your choice would result in a train wreck. Perhaps others might think Warren is the candidate with more liabilities—not because she is "hated" or "feared" by Wall Street, but because she is something of a lightning rod and attention getter, which is a distraction no campaign needs.

The most important thing to remember is that it is not what you think or feel, or what I think or feel, that matters (there are millions of people in this country whose views, thoughts, opinions, and feelings differ from our own). In the end, it is what Hillary Clinton thinks and feels about this choice. If either of us were electoral strategists, we would have been hired and paid the big bucks to give advice.

[farmboy]

190. I don't think it will be a huge mistake because I don't agree, it will be a mistake because

of the huge mistake it will be to put Trump away, to demonstrate that she wants to be on a team with a progressive who puts people first and knows how to speak to them with passion and inspiration, to make them believe in the team.

That will be the difference in getting people to get off of the couch and go to the voting booth in November, at the end of what will be a nasty, personal campaign.

Many people will be turned off, if they aren't already, and they need to believe in Hillary and her vp partner. Others could do this, but the most certain to do this is Warren because of her skills, her intelligence and her life's passion. I'd rather go with the certain candidate than any with less certainty to lift up Hillary as a candidate and pull our country progressively forward.

[frazzled]

200. Don't think that everyone agrees with you

That has been the entire problem of this primary season: people thinking that they are so correct that everyone else must see the same light ( or else they are "stupid" or "corporate shills&quot .

That didn't hold true during the primaries. Don't cling to the same misconception for the general.

[captainarizona]

144. we can still discuss how marvelous and great hillary clinton is

And what a fantastic choice she has made for vice president whoever that is. Big sister is watching.

[farmboy]

166. Hillary Clinton is the best presidential candidate, along with Pres Obama, in my lifetime.

Whether she makes the best choice for bp is yet to be seen. Who it is and why he/she was chosen vs why others were not.

[ananda]

146. It looks as though these are Bill Clinton's choices.

Oh God, I hope she will not follow his wishes,
but I just don't know ....

[sheshe2]

164. Please tell me you didn't just go there.

[Seeinghope]

192. Hillary was at Bill's side when he was President. Why would it be so bad "to go there" if Hillary

had Bill be at her side? Remember when Bill said that we were getting the "both of them".

[sheshe2]

193. The post intimates that she, a WOMAN,,,

Is not making the decisions, Bill is. It is insulting

[Seeinghope]

195. Being overly defensive shows weakness.

A smart ass comeback would have been much more effective.

[sheshe2]

196. So very sorry you see it that way.

The fact is the poster said Bill is making the decisions and not our President elect. Now here YOU are telling me how and how not I should respond. Love your 'spalni!

Keep it up!

[Seeinghope]

199. Being offended by some snide insinuation is walking right into their little insulting small minded

way of thinking. I wouldn't of taken the person seriously. How could you? It is so far from the truth of who Hillary Clinton is as a person that the comment really is funny. I wouldn't legitimise it. That gives the person too much credit.

[sheshe2]

205. Hillary was at his side as First Lady...

Bill will be at her side as First Gentleman, she will in fact be Madame President. You denigrate her when you and the other poster believes Bill is calling the shots.

[Seeinghope]

216. You obviously do not understand my posts.

[sheshe2]

217. Trust me.

I understand every post you make. Mere Women............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................;

[farmboy]

168. Hillary will make her own choice, I have no doubt. Whether that choice takes us forward or back

to the 1990s is the question. She is capable of being more or less progressive or more or less centrist on her own, as she sees fit. I've felt she will surprise us and lead us into the future progressively, but this is one choice that will help define her in these respects.

[Seeinghope]

197. LOL!!!!!! " Following his wishes"? Hillary Clinton!!!!!! That be Melania Trump. Hillary Clinton

carved out her own path a long time ago. She makes her own decisions.

[wisteria]

149. Are you kidding?

I can't wait. After this Trump mess of a convention, it is clearer than ever, that she has this all under control. Just imagine if Trump runs his presidency the way he ran this election- what a f*cking mess. Don't worry, Hillary's got this.

[ymetca]

153. The Vegas oddsmakers

.. have Kaine, Warren, Castro, in that order. But I'm thinking the latter two are already out. Kaine's a smart guy and not likely to cause her gaffe headaches in the general.

[displacedtexan]

157. So who should make the wise choice for her?

Biden and Reid?

I guess we women just aren't up to making wise choices, especially those who've stared down dictators and rabid republicans for 30 years.

[farmboy]

161. I have no idea who you would choose, so I have no opinion about your decision making, woman or not.

Since the choices Sec. Clinton are deciding from are becoming public knowledge, discussion of her decision making, and my opinions of who I think she should choose, are valid and would be the same regardless of her gender.

I'll take Hillary's playing of her woman card (literally, I have one) over your playing of the gender card any day. A man giving support for a Democratic ticket that would include two women for the first time ever is not a target for bashing along these lines.

[Marty 65]

158. Yes sir!

Elizabeth brings such energy. She is tough, smart, has a sense of justice and a sense of humor. I hate to lose a Dem Senator but Elizabeth is the right one for right now.

[red dog 1]

180. + 1

Welcome to DU!

[LanternWaste]

159. So the concern is limited to flash, style, and appearance rather than policy?

So the concern is limited to flash, style and appearance rather than policy and substance? Understandable... it does seem to be the new cause of flop-sweat, unease and angst over the past week with so many impassioned, emotional and visceral defenses of it.

Suggestion: Look at the policy substance of the major players... that's the critical matter. All else is theatrics which, while wonderful for Broadway, Hollywood and ice-cream with sprinkles, is at its best, irrelevant to administration, policy and approach (and at its worst-- indicative of one's susceptibility to the 100-year old commercial con-game of branding and packaging of a product)

[farmboy]

163. Substand, as you noted is the main ingredient. They all have that. Passion and inspiration separates

[LanternWaste]

169. Passion and inspiration are subjective and interpretive subject to the whimsy of daily emotion.

Passion and inspiration are subjective and interpretive subject to the whimsy of daily emotion. Hence, nothing of substance on which build a platform, let alone an administration.

[Android3.14]

172. Joe Biden and Harry Reid?

Nope.
Warren is the only way through this wilderness.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

175. If she picks Warren, we lose a Senate seat

Period.

I'm not thrilled with the other choices, but Warren and Brown are stuck in states with asshole governors.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

218. We said the same thing about Scott Clown

There are no lay ups even in Mass.

[RonniePudding]

177. This is just an opinion

One of many this election year.

[heaven05]

181. If we don't quit we will probably cause a trainwreck......

Elizabeth Warren would be a fine pick for VP, I feel, yet we must be about defeating the nazi first. Then we can hold HRC's feet to the fire IF she becomes someone not for the common working person as Elizabeth Warren really seems to be for, US, WE.

[BlueMTexpat]

182. Your concern is

quite touching.

Hillary's been doing a fine job so far. The "wreck" is currently on display in Cleveland ....

[Warren DeMontague]

187. The VP choice doesn't really make that much difference.

If it's not Warren then she will return to the Senate with Bernie Sanders and we will have a strong leadership bench for when we have the majority again.

It's going to be fine.

[red dog 1]

188. K&R

I feel the same way you do.

IMO, by choosing Senator Warren, Hillary will be accomplishing three important things:
1) She will unify the Democratic Party, which is now divided, and a divided Democratic
Party means we will have (God forbid) a President-elect Trump come November.
2) She will energize the millions of Bernie Sanders supporters, including the millennials. who
will love it if EW is on the ticket
3) Elizabeth Warren will tear Mike Pence apart in the Vice Presidential debates.

[NurseJackie]

194. Oh, good grief!

[riversedge]

202. I do hope you will actively GOTV no matter who she choses.

[treestar]

203. this is going to be going on from now until November

The concern that Hillary is not handling the campaign right. We had this for Obama all 2008 and 2012. Yet it seems the experienced campaigners should get their advice from individual DUers.

[MerryBlooms]

206. Your concern is noted, but not in a shitty condescending way.

I'm always nervous about the VP picks. Always concerned and wanting my Presidential nominee to pick someone who fills out the ticket... helps fire up the base... personable... intelligent... a clean and clear Democratic record.

I'm a little less worried this time around than I've been for the last couple elections... it may be the wine. I'm not sure who it will be, but I favor Julian Castro.

[RoadRunner]

215. No wreck

Just watch tomorrow, Hil will make the right choice and make me and you proud.

[farmboy]

222. Like a Tesla w/ broken self-steering mechanics. "Grab the wheel, Hillary! Go left! Just turn left!

Trying to laugh, but I have never been so discouraged by a Democratic nominee's vp choice. I thought Hillary would do better out of the gate.

[beachbum bob]

231. tim kaine lacks charisma????....is a foolish staement to make