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I'm amazed at how many people care so deeply about the DNC over the actual candidates.... CrowCityDem Jul 2016 #1
They run the party support system Armstead Jul 2016 #5
I mean, why would the DNC effect if you support Hillary? She's more important than they are. CrowCityDem Jul 2016 #20
I'm amazed at how many people care so deeply about the DNC ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #14
they control a lot of money and in past elections have stiffed candidates out of the running. hollysmom Jul 2016 #26
I may have missed this, but were either of the two targeted emails written by DWS? nt eastwestdem Jul 2016 #2
You may have missed this. She took responsibility and resigned. Armstead Jul 2016 #8
Asshole much? My question is, who wrote the two emails in question. I know that someone else eastwestdem Jul 2016 #37
...says the person with the "Unnamed Democrat" ballot vote gif. pkdu Jul 2016 #3
Would you prefer DWS wear a scarlet letter? hrmjustin Jul 2016 #4
If she wants to just kacekwl Jul 2016 #10
No. The resignation was enough. That's not the issue I am referring to Armstead Jul 2016 #11
Get over it. hrmjustin Jul 2016 #16
An "Honorary" position is a high (level) position? In what world? 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #18
Amstead, you know better than that. kstewart33 Jul 2016 #44
'Krikes' on a Cracker. You know "Honorary Title" = "Meaningless Title" emulatorloo Jul 2016 #58
The entire story right now is DWS and the emails piechartking Jul 2016 #12
Or a hair shirt... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #13
No, just get the head out of sight and not try to reattach it to the Clinton campaign in such a... Armstead Jul 2016 #17
Time for a deal. kstewart33 Jul 2016 #46
Bernie (nor I) are not in a position to send the demonstrators packing Armstead Jul 2016 #54
Armstead, of course I know that. kstewart33 Jul 2016 #61
I think some want more than that DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #23
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #29
Too late. merrily Jul 2016 #53
Too late to put on a scarlet letter? hrmjustin Jul 2016 #55
IMO, DWS got hers when she supported Republican candidates because they were her friends. merrily Jul 2016 #57
I get your grievances but she is going now and it is time to focus on the election. hrmjustin Jul 2016 #63
You were the one who asked about a scarlet letter. I only replied. merrily Jul 2016 #64
Krikes on a cracker is right. kacekwl Jul 2016 #6
I've asked in other threads and got no answer, but what exactly did DWS do by playing favorites Arkansas Granny Jul 2016 #7
Got an hour or two? Armstead Jul 2016 #15
barring DNC data from Bernie, a week from the primary vote? ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2016 #25
You mean after they admitted to violating the rules and stealing data? Try again. CrowCityDem Jul 2016 #31
Amazing how that side of the story grows and grows. ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2016 #35
Even what you said is an admission it happened. Was a violation supposed to have no consequences? CrowCityDem Jul 2016 #41
Bernie apologized, Weaver falsely blamed DNC for what the hackers did. emulatorloo Jul 2016 #62
When it was suspected that Bernie's people had gained unauthorized access to Clinton Arkansas Granny Jul 2016 #36
Now, now... R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2016 #9
Rewarding with a honorary position that is really nothing? hrmjustin Jul 2016 #19
"Yeah Trump's bad. But...." That's where you lost me. Paladin Jul 2016 #21
loyalty to a candidate is earned. ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2016 #32
It's spelled "Democratic" with a large-case "D." Paladin Jul 2016 #38
since my power failure, my caps don't work. ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2016 #42
Understood. Apologies for any disrespect. (nt) Paladin Jul 2016 #43
DWS should have been marched through sufrommich Jul 2016 #22
walk of shame like Cersei on GoT maybe? n/t DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #24
It's smells of lynch mob at this point. sufrommich Jul 2016 #30
it really is DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #39
They are literally calling for her to be locked up. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #28
Yep. They're a mob. sufrommich Jul 2016 #33
I'm not sure how she doesn't make people enthusiastic. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #27
I think this brings that all into question. hollysmom Jul 2016 #34
How many days after the emails were released do we see DWS stepping aside? NCTraveler Jul 2016 #40
Bernie said she should resign and/be fired...He didn't say Armstead Jul 2016 #51
Glad I don't feel the need to excercise restraint. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #56
Oh brother! Nothing is ever enough, is it? You guys just need to get over it. NurseJackie Jul 2016 #45
If you are truly a nurse you should be familiar with the phrase.... Armstead Jul 2016 #47
Why reward bad behavior? Why let obsessives disrupt the process? NurseJackie Jul 2016 #52
Revenge fantasies aren't helpful right now. Orsino Jul 2016 #48
Your narrative is full of holes. annavictorious Jul 2016 #49
It's just a matter of days before HRC drop-kicks DWS completely brentspeak Jul 2016 #50
I think it was a way to get her out without causing much fuss Chathamization Jul 2016 #59
Well after your first sentence falsehood MyNameGoesHere Jul 2016 #60
 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
5. They run the party support system
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:34 PM
Jul 2016

Gosh why should people care about that?

And it was a candidate who took DWS onto her campaign during the convention.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
14. I'm amazed at how many people care so deeply about the DNC ...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:39 PM
Jul 2016

who didn't know what the DNC was 15 months ago, and apparently still don't ... beyond the latest boogey-man of the left.

{Note: If you do not believe that the DNC is/was impartial during the Democratic primaries and do not use the front loading of Southern states and/or "voter suppression/disenfranchisement" as proof points, then I am not talking about you.}

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
26. they control a lot of money and in past elections have stiffed candidates out of the running.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:45 PM
Jul 2016

yeah, there is power of support on-line and financial and supposedly reflect democratic Ideals - so yeah they are important, it is pretty bad when you feel you have to handicap yourself by ignoring the party organization. If you look at the losing record it has had for 8 years, and how most of the money went to blue dogs, then you understand the issue of it not being run correctly. The DNC never supported the democrat running here, yest it has been gerrymandered to be republican, but during strong years, things could change. So for me to donate to the party is like flushing money down the toilet, politically speaking. I give directly to the candidate now.

 

eastwestdem

(1,220 posts)
37. Asshole much? My question is, who wrote the two emails in question. I know that someone else
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:53 PM
Jul 2016

took credit for the religion one. I was having a life this weekend, and didn't hear much news until the local 11pm newscast last night. What was the other one...can't seem to find it on Google (or can't figure out the right search terms!). Yes, DWS should take responsibility for anything that happens in the agency under her control, but I don't think too many people are upset that she is gone. Did she actually write something bias?

pkdu

(3,977 posts)
3. ...says the person with the "Unnamed Democrat" ballot vote gif.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:33 PM
Jul 2016

"Krikes on a Cracker. It is either a massive tin ear, or massive arrogance or some combination of both." Indeed.
 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
11. No. The resignation was enough. That's not the issue I am referring to
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:38 PM
Jul 2016

Appointing her to a high position in the Clinton campaign immediately during the convention that is attempting to "heal" the party is just....well, er you know....

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
44. Amstead, you know better than that.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:00 PM
Jul 2016

It's an honorary title.

Stop hyperventilating about this.

You expect Hillary to throw her under the bus? She's not going to, no matter how many Bernie supporters want her to. DWS is her friend who worked for her and the Democratic cause tirelessly for many, many years.

DWS did not write the emails. But she resigned because as captain of the ship, she is ultimately responsible for all that goes on in the DNC.

If Wiki released thousands of emails from Bernie's staff, how many humdingers about Hillary would there be in those emails?

DWS is gone. Enough already. Healing the party? There was a demonstration by Bernie supporters at the convention today yelling for Hillary to be thrown in jail.

Seems to me that these Bernie folks would be wise to do some healing of their own.

emulatorloo

(45,307 posts)
58. 'Krikes' on a Cracker. You know "Honorary Title" = "Meaningless Title"
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:14 PM
Jul 2016

It is worth nothing, has no duties and no responsibilities and no power.

Do you believe I could apply for a job and get it based on an "Honorary Degree?"

Of course you don't, you are too smart for that.

You know I love your posts but seriously, learn to take YES for an answer.

DWS was forced to resign and publically humiliated. That is exactly what we wanted. It was a big ole YES to us

piechartking

(617 posts)
12. The entire story right now is DWS and the emails
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:38 PM
Jul 2016

It should be on what a great VP pick Tim Kaine was.

It should be guessing what Warren is going to say tonight.

It should be guessing what Michelle is going to say tonight and lighthearted ribbing about whether she will bring up Melania.

But instead they're all talking about DWS. And she's going to try to make an appearance?

I get it that she put in a lot of work. It's unfortunate that it's such an ignominious end to her tenure as DNC Chair. But for the sake of optics, which is ALL this is about (who are we kidding) she has to stay out of sight.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
17. No, just get the head out of sight and not try to reattach it to the Clinton campaign in such a...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:42 PM
Jul 2016

high profile way during the convention.

That was just dumb.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
46. Time for a deal.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:01 PM
Jul 2016

DWS heads for Florida today if the Bernie 'throw Hillary in jail' demonstrators head out of town.

You want healing? Efforts by both sides would heal a lot.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
54. Bernie (nor I) are not in a position to send the demonstrators packing
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:10 PM
Jul 2016

That's how a democracy works.

But it was totally within Clinton's power to let the DWS kerfuffle settle down instead of publicly rewarding her.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
61. Armstead, of course I know that.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:17 PM
Jul 2016

But actions to unify the party are the responsibility of others, too.

California Bernie supporters booed Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Lee this morning when she was calling for party unity at the California delegation meeting.

If this convention goes down because of this kind of behavior by Bernie delegates from the floor, great good will be done for Trump and his cause.

Heaven help us if that happens.

Edit: So sorry I misspelled your name. It's correct now.





Response to DemonGoddess (Reply #23)

merrily

(45,251 posts)
57. IMO, DWS got hers when she supported Republican candidates because they were her friends.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:14 PM
Jul 2016

Also when she set the campaign strategy of "Obama who?"for the 2014 midterms.

And, of course, by the way she's behaved toward Sanders since the very day Sanders announced.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
64. You were the one who asked about a scarlet letter. I only replied.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:25 PM
Jul 2016

And, initially, with only two words at that.

Also, IMO, DUers need to stop giving other adult DUers directions, orders, etc.

If you want to post to me about a substantive issue or a public figure, cool. If you want to interrogate me, "should" on me, seek a loyalty oath, etc., I don't do that to others and I'm not interested in having it done to me. Thanks.

kacekwl

(7,187 posts)
6. Krikes on a cracker is right.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:34 PM
Jul 2016

DWS little breakfast meeting is everywhere now , imagine if she speaks at the convention. Bad bad move.

Arkansas Granny

(31,627 posts)
7. I've asked in other threads and got no answer, but what exactly did DWS do by playing favorites
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:35 PM
Jul 2016

that made any difference in the outcome of the primary election? What specific action did she take that was unfair to Bernie?

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
15. Got an hour or two?
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:39 PM
Jul 2016

Unfortunately I don't....But start with denying Bernie and O'Malley and the other opponents the opportunity to gain exposure through debates earlier and at better timeslots. Remember that little disagreement?

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
35. Amazing how that side of the story grows and grows.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:50 PM
Jul 2016

Once Bernie found out, he immediately put a stop to it. And apologized. Something I doubt we will ever see from DWS. And that data was never used.

Comparing the two is so . . . . never mind.

emulatorloo

(45,307 posts)
62. Bernie apologized, Weaver falsely blamed DNC for what the hackers did.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:23 PM
Jul 2016

Bernie did the right thing by firing them, Weaver did the wrong thing.

One needs to include all the facts. Facts are Bernie rightly fired them. Weaver's actions and behavior were the opposite of Bernie's actions and behavior.

IMHO Weaver undermined Bernie's integrity and Bernie's message that day. Wasn't the first time, wouldn't be the last.

Arkansas Granny

(31,627 posts)
36. When it was suspected that Bernie's people had gained unauthorized access to Clinton
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:53 PM
Jul 2016

campaign records? That was corrected after it was investigated, right?

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
9. Now, now...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:36 PM
Jul 2016

Hillary is just rewarding DWS, for her leadership role in the DNC. Some believe that she's done a great job.

Paladin

(28,487 posts)
21. "Yeah Trump's bad. But...." That's where you lost me.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:42 PM
Jul 2016

Vengeful Bernie supporters better not fuck this up for the rest of the country.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
32. loyalty to a candidate is earned.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:48 PM
Jul 2016

Hint, hint to a current nominee.

Picking DWS as her honorary national campaign manager, for her 50 state push? An easy way to piss off democratic voters in 50 states. And what good does it accomplish for the campaign? It was absolutely unnecessary, and in fact, counter-productive.

Paladin

(28,487 posts)
38. It's spelled "Democratic" with a large-case "D."
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:53 PM
Jul 2016

That said, I agree with you that DWS's role should be minimized to the point of obliteration, immediately. I've been expressing that viewpoint all morning.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
42. since my power failure, my caps don't work.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:54 PM
Jul 2016


nasty storms thru the midwest, especially south of chicago.

DemonGoddess

(4,653 posts)
24. walk of shame like Cersei on GoT maybe? n/t
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:45 PM
Jul 2016

That's the message I'm seeing from some, and that's pretty awful.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
30. It's smells of lynch mob at this point.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:47 PM
Jul 2016

This and Sanders supporters chanting "lock her up" at the convention is despicable and getting on my last nerve.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
28. They are literally calling for her to be locked up.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:47 PM
Jul 2016

They sound every bit as authoritarian as Trump.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
27. I'm not sure how she doesn't make people enthusiastic.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:46 PM
Jul 2016

The Sanders campaign stole data from Clinton and she is still out there talking very positively about Sanders. Do you get that? These people aren't one and doners. They are much brighter than that.

"But then......Well instead of being sent into the Florida Sunset -- Clinton praises DWS fulsomely, and immediately rewards her and gives her a new position as honorary chair of her campaign's "50 state" outreach."

Instead of just trashing Sanders and giving up on him after that event, she continues to praise and support him.

Lets try to stay consistent and act like both Clinton and Sanders, instead of Trump and Assange.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
34. I think this brings that all into question.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:49 PM
Jul 2016

the way it was handled to bring the worst face on it for Sanders up to denying his group ac ce3ss illegally, the IT guy said it happened multiple times and he reported it, and finally went into the file to leave markers - Sanders immediately fired him. so how exactly do you think this is the way D W-S portrayed it when it shows quite clearly she was a partisan?

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
40. How many days after the emails were released do we see DWS stepping aside?
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:54 PM
Jul 2016

How many days after Sanders was caught did he fire all four staffers?

Clinton is out there praising Sanders. She and Sanders are both more intelligent than the one and done crowd we are watching. The parallels are there. They point to the fact we should be watching the adults in the room, Clinton and Sanders.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
51. Bernie said she should resign and/be fired...He didn't say
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:06 PM
Jul 2016

"and then immediately reward DWS for it by bringing her into the Clinton campaign during the convention."

Bernie is not saying publicly how angry he probably is.

But those of us on the ground don't have to exercise such restraint.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
56. Glad I don't feel the need to excercise restraint.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:11 PM
Jul 2016

I just get to go full on. Amazing we are watching a timed leak by a group that supports criminal elements in an attempt to damage progressives. I'm looking forward the the investigation into this one. It will be interesting to see if there are true traces back to the Kremlin or Trump. That is what is egregious here. Outside criminal groups working to pick our candidate.

Interesting that there is less concern with that than over some innocuous email that shows know action. The outrage is nothing short of pathetic.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
45. Oh brother! Nothing is ever enough, is it? You guys just need to get over it.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:00 PM
Jul 2016
Sometimes it seems these these "smart people" need a few lessons in common sense and basic sensitivity training.

Or, the small subset of "perpetual victims" need a few sessions that help them to understand that they are not the center of the political universe, and to work on their acceptance and coping skills.
 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
47. If you are truly a nurse you should be familiar with the phrase....
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:02 PM
Jul 2016

"do no harm."

Especially "do no harm" when it is isn't necessary to do so.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
52. Why reward bad behavior? Why let obsessives disrupt the process?
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:09 PM
Jul 2016
Pat: "Lock her up!"
Chris: "STFU and GTFO!"
Pat: "Boo hoo! You're alienating me!"


Yeah ... "do no harm" ... riiiight!

Such poor things... how awful it must be.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
48. Revenge fantasies aren't helpful right now.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:04 PM
Jul 2016

If they've found DWS a corner office that keeps her quiet through the convention, it seems a reasonable plan.

 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
49. Your narrative is full of holes.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:04 PM
Jul 2016

1. I'm a lifelong Democrat and I couldn't be more enthusiastic about the Clinton-Kaine ticket.

2. Apparently, Hillary has wanted to replace DWS for months. President Obama was unwilling.

3. In mid-June, Hillary announced her plans for what would happen when she took over the reins of the DNC. DWS was given a courtesy position.

4. The emails showed that two staffers kicked around a very bad idea for a very bad talking point.

5. The talking point was never used.

6. The negotiations for DWS's new job were finalized in mid-June.

7. If these smart people need a few lessons in common sense, the last people who should be lecturing them are people who feel entitled to dictate terms simply because they're used to getting whatever they want with threats.

8. Democratic delegates at the Democratic convention who are chanting the vile and sexist Republican chant "Lock her up" are first on line for sensitivity training. Sexism is wrong.

I was amused, however, by the use of ham-fisted tactics to sell the ham-fisted narrative. Hipster irony! Nice!

brentspeak

(18,290 posts)
50. It's just a matter of days before HRC drop-kicks DWS completely
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:04 PM
Jul 2016

Politico is reporting that "unknown sources" within HRC's camp are saying that Hillary wanted DWS removed as head of DNC last year (yeah, right). Strategic leak from HRC's people who know HRC misjudged this whole thing, kicking DWS upstairs instead of kicking her out completely right away.

Chathamization

(1,638 posts)
59. I think it was a way to get her out without causing much fuss
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:14 PM
Jul 2016

What does an honorary chair actually do? Sounds like a nice title with no power. From what I've read, the Clinton camp hasn't been happy with DWS for sometime, but most people thought it would be to much trouble to push her out.

 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
60. Well after your first sentence falsehood
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:15 PM
Jul 2016

I gave up reading it. The emails showed that people yap at work and nothing more.

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