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[CrowCityDem]

1. I'm amazed at how many people care so deeply about the DNC over the actual candidates....

[Armstead]

5. They run the party support system

Gosh why should people care about that?

And it was a candidate who took DWS onto her campaign during the convention.

[CrowCityDem]

20. I mean, why would the DNC effect if you support Hillary? She's more important than they are.

[1StrongBlackMan]

14. I'm amazed at how many people care so deeply about the DNC ...

who didn't know what the DNC was 15 months ago, and apparently still don't ... beyond the latest boogey-man of the left.

{Note: If you do not believe that the DNC is/was impartial during the Democratic primaries and do not use the front loading of Southern states and/or "voter suppression/disenfranchisement" as proof points, then I am not talking about you.}

[hollysmom]

26. they control a lot of money and in past elections have stiffed candidates out of the running.

yeah, there is power of support on-line and financial and supposedly reflect democratic Ideals - so yeah they are important, it is pretty bad when you feel you have to handicap yourself by ignoring the party organization. If you look at the losing record it has had for 8 years, and how most of the money went to blue dogs, then you understand the issue of it not being run correctly. The DNC never supported the democrat running here, yest it has been gerrymandered to be republican, but during strong years, things could change. So for me to donate to the party is like flushing money down the toilet, politically speaking. I give directly to the candidate now.

[eastwestdem]

2. I may have missed this, but were either of the two targeted emails written by DWS? nt

[Armstead]

8. You may have missed this. She took responsibility and resigned.

[eastwestdem]

37. Asshole much? My question is, who wrote the two emails in question. I know that someone else

took credit for the religion one. I was having a life this weekend, and didn't hear much news until the local 11pm newscast last night. What was the other one...can't seem to find it on Google (or can't figure out the right search terms!). Yes, DWS should take responsibility for anything that happens in the agency under her control, but I don't think too many people are upset that she is gone. Did she actually write something bias?

[pkdu]

3. ...says the person with the "Unnamed Democrat" ballot vote gif.

"Krikes on a Cracker. It is either a massive tin ear, or massive arrogance or some combination of both." Indeed.

[hrmjustin]

4. Would you prefer DWS wear a scarlet letter?

[kacekwl]

10. If she wants to just

Not at the convention.

[Armstead]

11. No. The resignation was enough. That's not the issue I am referring to

Appointing her to a high position in the Clinton campaign immediately during the convention that is attempting to "heal" the party is just....well, er you know....

[hrmjustin]

16. Get over it.

It is a nothing position.

[1StrongBlackMan]

18. An "Honorary" position is a high (level) position? In what world?

[kstewart33]

44. Amstead, you know better than that.

It's an honorary title.

Stop hyperventilating about this.

You expect Hillary to throw her under the bus? She's not going to, no matter how many Bernie supporters want her to. DWS is her friend who worked for her and the Democratic cause tirelessly for many, many years.

DWS did not write the emails. But she resigned because as captain of the ship, she is ultimately responsible for all that goes on in the DNC.

If Wiki released thousands of emails from Bernie's staff, how many humdingers about Hillary would there be in those emails?

DWS is gone. Enough already. Healing the party? There was a demonstration by Bernie supporters at the convention today yelling for Hillary to be thrown in jail.

Seems to me that these Bernie folks would be wise to do some healing of their own.

[emulatorloo]

58. 'Krikes' on a Cracker. You know "Honorary Title" = "Meaningless Title"

It is worth nothing, has no duties and no responsibilities and no power.

Do you believe I could apply for a job and get it based on an "Honorary Degree?"

Of course you don't, you are too smart for that.

You know I love your posts but seriously, learn to take YES for an answer.

DWS was forced to resign and publically humiliated. That is exactly what we wanted. It was a big ole YES to us

[piechartking]

12. The entire story right now is DWS and the emails

It should be on what a great VP pick Tim Kaine was.

It should be guessing what Warren is going to say tonight.

It should be guessing what Michelle is going to say tonight and lighthearted ribbing about whether she will bring up Melania.

But instead they're all talking about DWS. And she's going to try to make an appearance?

I get it that she put in a lot of work. It's unfortunate that it's such an ignominious end to her tenure as DNC Chair. But for the sake of optics, which is ALL this is about (who are we kidding) she has to stay out of sight.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. Or a hair shirt...

It's not enough they got her head on a platter. Some want to ---- --- it.

[Armstead]

17. No, just get the head out of sight and not try to reattach it to the Clinton campaign in such a...

high profile way during the convention.

That was just dumb.

[kstewart33]

46. Time for a deal.

DWS heads for Florida today if the Bernie 'throw Hillary in jail' demonstrators head out of town.

You want healing? Efforts by both sides would heal a lot.

[Armstead]

54. Bernie (nor I) are not in a position to send the demonstrators packing

That's how a democracy works.

But it was totally within Clinton's power to let the DWS kerfuffle settle down instead of publicly rewarding her.

[kstewart33]

61. Armstead, of course I know that.

But actions to unify the party are the responsibility of others, too.

California Bernie supporters booed Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Lee this morning when she was calling for party unity at the California delegation meeting.

If this convention goes down because of this kind of behavior by Bernie delegates from the floor, great good will be done for Trump and his cause.

Heaven help us if that happens.

Edit: So sorry I misspelled your name. It's correct now.

[DemonGoddess]

23. I think some want more than that

I think they want a scarlet letter tattooed on her damn forehead

[merrily]

53. Too late.

[hrmjustin]

55. Too late to put on a scarlet letter?

[merrily]

57. IMO, DWS got hers when she supported Republican candidates because they were her friends.

Also when she set the campaign strategy of "Obama who?"for the 2014 midterms.

And, of course, by the way she's behaved toward Sanders since the very day Sanders announced.

[hrmjustin]

63. I get your grievances but she is going now and it is time to focus on the election.

[merrily]

64. You were the one who asked about a scarlet letter. I only replied.

And, initially, with only two words at that.

Also, IMO, DUers need to stop giving other adult DUers directions, orders, etc.

If you want to post to me about a substantive issue or a public figure, cool. If you want to interrogate me, "should" on me, seek a loyalty oath, etc., I don't do that to others and I'm not interested in having it done to me. Thanks.

[kacekwl]

6. Krikes on a cracker is right.

DWS little breakfast meeting is everywhere now , imagine if she speaks at the convention. Bad bad move.

[Arkansas Granny]

7. I've asked in other threads and got no answer, but what exactly did DWS do by playing favorites

that made any difference in the outcome of the primary election? What specific action did she take that was unfair to Bernie?

[Armstead]

15. Got an hour or two?

Unfortunately I don't....But start with denying Bernie and O'Malley and the other opponents the opportunity to gain exposure through debates earlier and at better timeslots. Remember that little disagreement?

[ChairmanAgnostic]

25. barring DNC data from Bernie, a week from the primary vote?

Talk about sabotage.

[CrowCityDem]

31. You mean after they admitted to violating the rules and stealing data? Try again.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

35. Amazing how that side of the story grows and grows.

Once Bernie found out, he immediately put a stop to it. And apologized. Something I doubt we will ever see from DWS. And that data was never used.

Comparing the two is so . . . . never mind.

[CrowCityDem]

41. Even what you said is an admission it happened. Was a violation supposed to have no consequences?

[emulatorloo]

62. Bernie apologized, Weaver falsely blamed DNC for what the hackers did.

Bernie did the right thing by firing them, Weaver did the wrong thing.

One needs to include all the facts. Facts are Bernie rightly fired them. Weaver's actions and behavior were the opposite of Bernie's actions and behavior.

IMHO Weaver undermined Bernie's integrity and Bernie's message that day. Wasn't the first time, wouldn't be the last.

[Arkansas Granny]

36. When it was suspected that Bernie's people had gained unauthorized access to Clinton

campaign records? That was corrected after it was investigated, right?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

9. Now, now...

Hillary is just rewarding DWS, for her leadership role in the DNC. Some believe that she's done a great job.

[hrmjustin]

19. Rewarding with a honorary position that is really nothing?

[Paladin]

21. "Yeah Trump's bad. But...." That's where you lost me.

Vengeful Bernie supporters better not fuck this up for the rest of the country.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

32. loyalty to a candidate is earned.

Hint, hint to a current nominee.

Picking DWS as her honorary national campaign manager, for her 50 state push? An easy way to piss off democratic voters in 50 states. And what good does it accomplish for the campaign? It was absolutely unnecessary, and in fact, counter-productive.

[Paladin]

38. It's spelled "Democratic" with a large-case "D."

That said, I agree with you that DWS's role should be minimized to the point of obliteration, immediately. I've been expressing that viewpoint all morning.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

42. since my power failure, my caps don't work.

nasty storms thru the midwest, especially south of chicago.

[Paladin]

43. Understood. Apologies for any disrespect. (nt)

[sufrommich]

22. DWS should have been marched through

the streets with her head shaved,amirite?
Give it a fucking break.

[DemonGoddess]

24. walk of shame like Cersei on GoT maybe? n/t

That's the message I'm seeing from some, and that's pretty awful.

[sufrommich]

30. It's smells of lynch mob at this point.

This and Sanders supporters chanting "lock her up" at the convention is despicable and getting on my last nerve.

[DemonGoddess]

39. it really is

we're BETTER than this dammit

[NCTraveler]

28. They are literally calling for her to be locked up.

They sound every bit as authoritarian as Trump.

[sufrommich]

33. Yep. They're a mob.

[NCTraveler]

27. I'm not sure how she doesn't make people enthusiastic.

The Sanders campaign stole data from Clinton and she is still out there talking very positively about Sanders. Do you get that? These people aren't one and doners. They are much brighter than that.

"But then......Well instead of being sent into the Florida Sunset -- Clinton praises DWS fulsomely, and immediately rewards her and gives her a new position as honorary chair of her campaign's "50 state" outreach."

Instead of just trashing Sanders and giving up on him after that event, she continues to praise and support him.

Lets try to stay consistent and act like both Clinton and Sanders, instead of Trump and Assange.

[hollysmom]

34. I think this brings that all into question.

the way it was handled to bring the worst face on it for Sanders up to denying his group ac ce3ss illegally, the IT guy said it happened multiple times and he reported it, and finally went into the file to leave markers - Sanders immediately fired him. so how exactly do you think this is the way D W-S portrayed it when it shows quite clearly she was a partisan?

[NCTraveler]

40. How many days after the emails were released do we see DWS stepping aside?

How many days after Sanders was caught did he fire all four staffers?

Clinton is out there praising Sanders. She and Sanders are both more intelligent than the one and done crowd we are watching. The parallels are there. They point to the fact we should be watching the adults in the room, Clinton and Sanders.

[Armstead]

51. Bernie said she should resign and/be fired...He didn't say

"and then immediately reward DWS for it by bringing her into the Clinton campaign during the convention."

Bernie is not saying publicly how angry he probably is.

But those of us on the ground don't have to exercise such restraint.

[NCTraveler]

56. Glad I don't feel the need to excercise restraint.

I just get to go full on. Amazing we are watching a timed leak by a group that supports criminal elements in an attempt to damage progressives. I'm looking forward the the investigation into this one. It will be interesting to see if there are true traces back to the Kremlin or Trump. That is what is egregious here. Outside criminal groups working to pick our candidate.

Interesting that there is less concern with that than over some innocuous email that shows know action. The outrage is nothing short of pathetic.

[NurseJackie]

45. Oh brother! Nothing is ever enough, is it? You guys just need to get over it.

Sometimes it seems these these "smart people" need a few lessons in common sense and basic sensitivity training.

Or, the small subset of "perpetual victims" need a few sessions that help them to understand that they are not the center of the political universe, and to work on their acceptance and coping skills.

[Armstead]

47. If you are truly a nurse you should be familiar with the phrase....

"do no harm."

Especially "do no harm" when it is isn't necessary to do so.

[NurseJackie]

52. Why reward bad behavior? Why let obsessives disrupt the process?

Pat: "Lock her up!"
Chris: "STFU and GTFO!"
Pat: "Boo hoo! You're alienating me!"

Yeah ... "do no harm" ... riiiight!

Such poor things... how awful it must be.

[Orsino]

48. Revenge fantasies aren't helpful right now.

If they've found DWS a corner office that keeps her quiet through the convention, it seems a reasonable plan.

[annavictorious]

49. Your narrative is full of holes.

1. I'm a lifelong Democrat and I couldn't be more enthusiastic about the Clinton-Kaine ticket.

2. Apparently, Hillary has wanted to replace DWS for months. President Obama was unwilling.

3. In mid-June, Hillary announced her plans for what would happen when she took over the reins of the DNC. DWS was given a courtesy position.

4. The emails showed that two staffers kicked around a very bad idea for a very bad talking point.

5. The talking point was never used.

6. The negotiations for DWS's new job were finalized in mid-June.

7. If these smart people need a few lessons in common sense, the last people who should be lecturing them are people who feel entitled to dictate terms simply because they're used to getting whatever they want with threats.

8. Democratic delegates at the Democratic convention who are chanting the vile and sexist Republican chant "Lock her up" are first on line for sensitivity training. Sexism is wrong.

I was amused, however, by the use of ham-fisted tactics to sell the ham-fisted narrative. Hipster irony! Nice!

[brentspeak]

50. It's just a matter of days before HRC drop-kicks DWS completely

Politico is reporting that "unknown sources" within HRC's camp are saying that Hillary wanted DWS removed as head of DNC last year (yeah, right). Strategic leak from HRC's people who know HRC misjudged this whole thing, kicking DWS upstairs instead of kicking her out completely right away.

[Chathamization]

59. I think it was a way to get her out without causing much fuss

What does an honorary chair actually do? Sounds like a nice title with no power. From what I've read, the Clinton camp hasn't been happy with DWS for sometime, but most people thought it would be to much trouble to push her out.

[MyNameGoesHere]

60. Well after your first sentence falsehood

I gave up reading it. The emails showed that people yap at work and nothing more.