Joe Scarborough said Republican leaders (Ryan,etc)

[helpisontheway]

need to cut Trump loose. He said they should take back their endorsement if they want to save their party. He said they will no longer be the party of Lincoln if they allow the party to go down with a life long democrat (Trump).

[Cooley Hurd]

1. ...because Trump was "a life-long Democrat"?

No, they should cut him loose because he's a dangerous, sociopathic, fascist, demagogue!

[Renew Deal]

4. Reagan was a Dem too and they didn't mind.

If that's his reason it's an excuse

[ToxMarz]

25. Anyone can register with any political affiliation

And say they are a Democrat or Republican. But he ran as a Republican because he knew Democrats wouldn't vote for him and Republicans would. Scarborough could register as a Democrat and run for office and wouldn't get elected as a dog catcher.

[workinclasszero]

42. Joe Scar still can't handle the truth

He's halfway there, still got a ways to go.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

2. LOL nice try, Joe

You break it, you buy it!

[sarae]

30. exactly...

well put!

[Funtatlaguy]

3. Body language says it all

Republicans Willie Geist and Mark Halperin look like they've lost their best friend even while verbally praising the Convention.
You can just tell they are thinking....oh shit, we may be facing a Dem landslide....delicious!

[Hortensis]

5. I suppose trying to inspire them to betterment by

invoking Lincoln is a good thing that we should encourage, but this gross hypocrisy has been irritating me for 50 years. They had already become the nation's conservative party, changing dramatically from the "party of Lincoln" Lincoln joined, when my grandmother was raising her children 100 years ago.

[JHB]

7. Here's what 1860s conservatives thought of Lincoln...

Below is a conservative political cartoon from 1860, after Lincoln won the Republican nomination for president, by cartoonist Louis Maurer, engraved by Currier and Ives.

See if you recognize anything:


http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2003674590/
also http://elections.harpweek.com/1860/cartoon-1860-large.asp?UniqueID=5&Year=1860

"The Republican Party Going to the Right House"

Lincoln rides in on a (fence) rail, carried by Horace Greely (anti-slavery editor of the New York Tribune), leading his followers into a lunatic asylum.
GREELY: "Hold on to me Abe, and we'll go in here by the unanimous consent of the people."
LINCOLN: "Now my friends I'm almost in, and the millennium is going to begin, so ask what you will and it shall be granted."

Younger Woman: "Oh! what a beautiful man he is, I feel a passionate attraction' every time I see his lovely face."
Bearded Man: "I represent the free love element, and expect to have free license to carry out its principles."
Man with trim beard and hat: "I want religion abolished and the book of Mormon made the standard of morality."
Caricatured black man: "De white man hab no rights dat cullud pussons am bound to spect' I want dat understood."
Older woman: "I want womans rights enforced, and man reduced in subjection to her authority."
Scruffy man with bottle: "I want everybody to have a share of everybody elses property."
Barefoot man: "I want a hotel established by government, where people that aint inclined to work, can board free of expense, and be found in rum and tobacco."
Seedy top-hat man: " I want guaranteed to every Citizen the right to examine every other citizen's pockets without interruption by Policemen."
Man at the end: "I want all the stations houses burned up, and the M.P.s killed, so that the bohoys can run with the machine and have a muss when they please."

Let’s go down the list, shall we?:
Supported by "liberal media": Check
Liberals will embark on profligate giveaways to THOSE PEOPLE? Check.
Flighty, emotional, entranced by charisma/celebrity? Check.
People conservatives consider sexual deviants? Check.
People conservatives consider religious deviants? Check (and how ironic, this particular turn).
Grasping minorities after special rights? Check.
"Feminazis"? Check.
There's a vast army of layabouts, thugs, foreigners, and outright thieves who want to take your hard-earned stuff? Check, check, check, and check.

Based on what the conservatives of the two eras say about their opposition, the heir to the name "Party of Lincoln" these days is plainly the Democratic Party.

[Hortensis]

8. Oh, that's terrific! No wonder some find so-called "political correctness"

so frustrating today. All the same feelings so much more honestly conveyed.

[Cosmocat]

9. And the dimwits who puke this shit

thinking they are so insightful and righteous.

[demosincebirth]

44. I 've always said that. Lincoln has been turning over in his grave for decades.

[DFW]

6. Cut him loose? From whom? From what? Trump wasn't nominated by Republican leaders

He was nominated by Republican voters around the country from a field of nearly 20 Republicans, many of whom were front-runners if only briefly.

Trump wasn't selected by accident. He was nominated by the primary system which gave Republicans around the country a fair chance to vote their preference. Trump IS their preference. If the leadership finds themselves out of step with their rank and file, maybe they are in the wrong party, not that we want the likes of Paul Ryan joining OUR party.

Note to Scarborough, Ryan, et al: you guys created Fox "News" and National Hate Radio. It sustained you for 20 years. But now, you have a generation of voters who grew up hearing and believing nothing else. WTF did you EXPECT was going to happen?

[Cosmocat]

11. Trump did not HAPPEN to the republican party

he IS the republican party.

Sorry, Joe, this is what YOU helped to give life to two decades ago.

Hateful, divisive, unhinged partisanship.

[OnDoutside]

22. 100% correct, Trump took on the appearance of Republicans. He is their mirror.

[tblue37]

23. This is literally true. Before announcing, he had consultants listen for months

to RW radio broadcasts and FOX, and also read RW blogs and other online materials to find out which issues they were most obsessed with. Then he made those issues the focus of his campaign.

[OnDoutside]

34. Yes, he only repeated what Republicans wanted to hear, but it's all only at a surface level. He has

no in-depth knowledge of issues. He's clearly not a well read man, and when one compares and contrasts him to GW Bush, Bush seems like a mastermind in comparison !

[nruthie]

31. The picture of Dorian Gray comes to mind.

[procon]

14. No, the delegates credentialled by the RNC leaders nominated him, not Republican voters.

The voters determine the state delegates who pledge to support the winner. Just like we did at our convention, the delegates voted to officially nominate Trump as the Republican's candidate for president. Remember there was a failed movement at their convention to try and oust Trump, but if they had prevailed, someone else would have become the legitimate Republican nominee even if not a single voter in the primary selected him.

[DFW]

16. OK, fair enough

But the pledged delegates reflected the will of Republican voters nationwide.

I'm confident that if there had been a broad consensus within the party leadership on how to avoid his nomination, they would have found a way.

[procon]

19. No, the voters only determined the number of delegates.

The delegates selected to attend the national nominating conventions are chosen according to rules made by the political parties of each state. The selection of delegates is usually awarded to the hard working party activists and VIPs, and the large $ donors or fundraisers who brought in substantial sums of money for the party and its candidates.

[Orangepeel]

35. In states I've lived in, delegates are elected in the primary, after being vetted by campaigns

To get on the ballot.

There are some "at large" delegates selected by the party, but most are elected within congressional districts.

I think republicans do it the same way (at least in the states I have been involved in), but I don't know that for sure.

[Zambero]

29. The cancer has spread too far

Trump is the merely the malignant egg here, a mere refection of the rank and file GOP soon-to-be dead chicken that produced it.

[wishstar]

10. Problem is Pence and the other top Repubs are even worse than Trump on many issues

Repubs don't want to admit that on some issues Trump was the voice of reason compared to their other primary candidates who advocated as Pence does for a total ban on all abortions, against gay rights, and turning America into a theocracy. Trump advocated for higher taxes for Wall St fat cats. Plus he called out Bush on the Iraq was disaster.

Then he ensured the nomination by selecting their icon Pence for his running mate.

I call BS on Repubs acting like Trump is so terrible when the main thing they don't like about him is he is a loose cannon who hasn't 100% followed their their regressive party line closely enough.

[Cosmocat]

12. Spot on

their only problem with him is that he goes a step too far in saying and doing the the things they have spent my entire life whistling at ...

[UCmeNdc]

15. No Loser Trump is a loser

The sane and rational Republicans recognize Trump is a loser. What do you do with a loser? You cut them loose and move on.

[Zambero]

28. Not insane like Trump

but flat out wrong, and consistently so. The insane-wrong ticket.

[Grey Lemercier]

13. watching the stream for past couple hours, they are SHREDDING Trump, destroying him in so many ways

[wishstar]

17. They are afraid of losing Congress- lashing out at him ONLY to protect their other candidates

I look at it very cynically- they are pretending to be taking a higher moral ground as if the rest of Repubs are so much better.

I don't believe for a second they have suddenly developed consciences -it is all just an effort to distance themselves from his stench so their equally awful but more "palatable" wolves in sheeps' clothing don't get thrown out of office and replaced by Dems. I think this is their typical playbook to all fall in line promoting their self-interest

[sarae]

33. It's a thing of beauty...

almost enough to make up for the last year of asskissing (not really).

[RapSoDee]

18. The Repubs haven't been the "Party of Lincoln" since the era of the Model-T Ford

Give me a break.

[auntpurl]

21. I was gonna post the exact same thing!

[Cha]

20. LOL@ JoeScar.. that ship sailed a Long time ago.

[tavernier]

24. It's been fun watching Joe becoming a democrat.

He all but filled out his ballot checking the H box on the show this morning.

[Zambero]

27. Speculated McCain's vote and others in GOP

for Hillary. Scarborough was a freshman in Newt's class of '94. He might just have some insights on this.

[liberal N proud]

26. They own Trump now!

[FSogol]

32. Why'd Joe spend so much time promoting Trump? what about the great ratings?

Sink, GOP, Sink

[auntpurl]

36. Trump is the Republicans' frothing id

But they created this monster and now they're gonna have to live with him.

[BeyondGeography]

37. Dear Joe: Your whole party fucked itself over the past eight years.

Not to mention the eight prior to that.

Time to reap the harvest.

[inwiththenew]

38. Trump has the base

"The Establishment" or whatever you want to call them doesn't. The whole reason they ended up with Trump in the first place was because the base wanted to send a big "FU" to the establishment of the party among other reasons.

He is the party now.

[Grey Lemercier]

41. I dont even know if there is a definable Republican base any more

I see so many disparate elements with an oppositional stance to Democrats as the only tie that binds, and actually not even there as the neocon wing and the big business wing are much more likely to pull the lever for Hillary.

The Tea Party types and the absolutely fucking despicable fundie christian types are both pure homophobes racists. These are Trump's base. These are the types of people I will always detest across the board. Fuck them forever.

Moderate conservatives are a dying breed, and many are also big corporstist types.

[The Second Stone]

39. Trump is totally unfit for office and they Republican talking heads should

have been saying so for almost a year, and the only way they can regain credibility is to vote for the Democratic candidate at the top of the ticket and their own further down the ticket and say so. They won't do that.

They have to admit the failure and try to fix it. If not, they show that they are about party before country, and in this case, the party candidate is unfit for any public office. He is a sick joke candidate.

[RandySF]

40. They will between now and November

They will focusing on preserving their majorities on Congress.

[nykym]

43. No thank you joe

he belongs to the republican party now lock stock and tweets.