Has anyone seen Trump's disgusting new ad where he claims Hillary announced a middle class

[StevieM]

tax increase?

She says: "We AREN'T going to raise taxes on the middle class." But the crowd was noisy and the audio was week. So Trump is claiming that she said "We ARE going to raise taxes on the middle class."

Never mind that her previous sentence was about making the tax code more fair for the middle class. Never mind that the audience erupted in applause.

And a GOP pundit, former Lt. Gov. Andre Bauer of South Carolina, repeated the lie on CNN tonight.

I hope that the Clinton people are on top of this. Just because something is blatantly untrue that doesn't mean it might not catch on if it isn't dealt with properly.

[madaboutharry]

1. Disgraceful people do disgraceful things.

They are so full of hate they can't function like normal human beings.

[NanceGreggs]

2. No, I didn't see the ad ...

... but I did read this story on JPR. They are quite insistent that she said "we ARE going to raise taxes on the middle class", despite the fact that such a statement is completely inconsistent with the previous sentence, as well as being the exact opposite of what she has said throughout her campaign.

But it is just another example of how the alleged "true progressives" at JPR don't hesitate to align themselves with Trump, and repeat the lies told by RWers.

Anyone who believes that HRC would have suddenly announced that she planned to raise taxes on the middle class is, quite obviously, an idiot.

[Demsrule86]

20. JPR...really GOP types. nt.

[scscholar]

3. Link to the video

Ummm

[progree]

4. Uggghhh. I'm guessing she got it mixed up?

Hard to believe she intentionally said and meant to say "we are going to raise taxes on the middle class"

Unforutnately, I've listened to the segment at least 10 times, and without question in my mind, she said "are" and no way she said "aren't"

[lancer78]

5. I heard the inflection of the "T" at the end n/t

[progree]

6. I didn't. I listened to it a few more times n/t

[lancer78]

7. I did, but having to listen to

Southern Mountain Accents all day for the last 13 years, and being from the North, I have learned to really concentrate on listening. The audio quality is poor there, but I heard a definite "nT" sound.

[progree]

8. I've learned to really concentrate on listening too. And I've learned to not hear something that

isn't there just because I wish it were there. And I didn't find the audio quality to be poor at that point.

I guess we're just going to have to disagree on this. It happens.

[lancer78]

10. Try listening this video at 30:00 minute mark

same speech. A little bit better audio.

[progree]

12. OK, Maybe. Possibly there's something there after the are, like aren maybe

[Demsrule86]

19. Come on...that tape is doctored...go to youtube...I listened to one

that purported to say she is raising taxes and you can clearly hear aren't...she starts out that the GOP wants to cut taxes for the rich...we are not going to do that...etc....total nonsense and Trump will look like an idiot for running the ad.

[treestar]

28. could just as well be not wanting to hear it

and the other noise can block it out.

But we know she would not say that. Or it would be accidental if she did.

[progree]

30. "could just as well be not wanting to hear it" -- That would not be me.

[font color = blue]>>But we know she would not say that. <<[/font]

Or meant to say that, I agree. As I've said now in 3 reponses in this thread including my first one.

[treestar]

29. and the N

she clearly says "aren't"

[LoverOfLiberty]

15. I clearly heard "aren't"

and its consistent with the context of her speech.

It dishonest to say otherwise.

[Orsino]

21. It's a lie...

...but we were primed to hear it as the screamer headlines had it. It spread virally because it is consistent with the mythology than so many believe in.

But I admit that the lack of emohasis on the word makes an honest error possible, though the crowd cheering it didn't seem to have much of a problem.

[progree]

23. The lie -- doctored tape? Me?

[font color = blue]>>21. It's a lie......but we were primed to hear it as the screamer headlines had it. It spread virally because it is consistent with the mythology than so many believe in.

But I admit that the lack of emphasis on the word makes an honest error possible, though the crowd cheering it didn't seem to have much of a problem.<<[/font] (emphasis added by Progree)

Thank you for allowing for the possibility that I'm not a liar or a troll.

I was primed to hear something, anything after the "are" but I didn't, not in #3. Not after listening to the segment at least 20 times. It wasn't "lack of emphasis", I just didn't hear an "n" or a "t". Demsrule86 says its a doctored tape. Could be. So that's 3 of us that didn't hear an "n" or "t" in #3.

I noticed the crowd cheering too, and as I said in my #4 and my #16, it would be amazing if she said and meant to say she would raise taxes on the middle class.

[Orsino]

24. Her voice drops on the word, and there's ambient noise.

The crowd may have heard it more cleatly, and they certainly got context.

[Hissyspit]

27. She clearly pronounces it the way one would pronounce "aren't" in that sentence.

Not how one would pronounce "are." And I heard "aren't," anyway.

In the context of the speech, she clearly means "aren't."

Don't fall for their bullshit.

[progree]

33. 3 of us didn't hear it

me, scscholar, and demsrule86 said its a doctored tape.

[Hissyspit]

26. She clearly said "aren't."

[Bernardo de La Paz]

32. So what if a slip of the tongue? (though probably not) Context is clear & her policy is clear. . nt

[progree]

36. Agreed on all points

[font color = blue]>>So what if a slip of the tongue? (though probably not) <<[/font]

No problem. I say the exact opposite of what I mean, often. Well, as for "though probably not", I simply did not hear the "n" or "t" after listening at least 20 times, probably 30 times to #3. (On #10's clip I'm a maybe there's an "n" there)

[font color = blue]>>Context is clear & her policy is clear. <<[/font]

Yup. I don't doubt that.

[kcr]

38. She said aren't. I can hear it clearly.

not only can I clearly hear aren't, the context makes it obvious.

[lancer78]

9. Please listen at the 30:00 minute mark

this video has a bit better audio

[lancer78]

11. Listen to this video at 30:00 minutes

You can plainly hear HRC say "We AREN"T going to raise taxes on the Middle Class".

[treestar]

31. The context also makes it clear

[Democat]

13. If the video is a lie, Clinton should run a counter ad

To show that Trump is lying.

Undermine his trustworthiness and reinforce her fight for the middle class.

[StevieM]

41. Agreed. She should run a counter-ad exposing Trump as the liar that he is. (eom)

[Hortensis]

14. They were laughing on one of the talk shows about

how the Trump campaign must have thought the media, "like, all of us," wouldn't listen to the video (and would have been the first to report if Hillary announced a middle class tax hike).

I mean, this thing cost real money. Surely they could have done better than to underline their own incompetence?

[StevieM]

42. Which talk show are you referring to? (eom)

[Hortensis]

43. Sorry, not really sure now. One of the CNN or MSNBC

shows. I was flipping around now and then seeing what and how they were covering.

[sinkingfeeling]

17. The only positive in living in a glowing red state is there are no

political ads running on my TV.

[Demsrule86]

18. doctored video...another thing he will have to walk back. Liar liar Trump. nt

[greatauntoftriplets]

22. I'm in Illinois and haven't seen a Trump ad since the March primary.

Unfortunately, I guess that will change unless the talking yam has written off this state.

[eppur_se_muova]

25. This was on TRMS last night ... nt

[Bernardo de La Paz]

34. Trump going "na-na-n-na-na" like a child. This won't work for him. Democrats remain calm & state

Remain calm and state her policy which is clear.
Provide the context which is clear.

There is nothing there for them to talk about. It is all distraction.

The way to deal with lies is to provide a quick and convincing refutation and then move on to what really needs to be said.

[VMA131Marine]

35. She said "aren't"

End of story!

[bbrady42]

37. I think this is great.

I hear "aren't," and her context clearly indicates it's "aren't."

It just makes Trump look like even more of a child. "Ahhhhh, you said "are!" No take-backs, you said are! Ha ha."

Plus, Trump's ad (which I haven't seen) just gives Clinton a ton of free TV time to say (over and over again) that she *isn't* going to raise middle class taxes.

Win-win for Clinton it seem to me.

[napkinz]

39. discussing it now on MSNBC

Katy Tur says the ad is false but Trump campaign doesn't care.

[Peacetrain]

40. Disgraceful