2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI'm doubling down on Trump!
Between this Friday afternoon or the next, 12 August, 2016, Trump leaves the race.
You may take my bet without posting and if I am wrong, I will draw at least one picture of contrition for all of you, probably next Saturday.
If I am correct, we all win.
My rationale, which will put me first against the wall in January if I am wrong:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2284133
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1539853
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028069861
CK_John
(10,005 posts)sofa king
(10,857 posts)Here's what I think I know. Trump has to decide to leave on his own, or the RNC will have to rewrite its own rules (which is easy enough for the Party that writes its rules as a way to justify whatever they want to do).
If he does, the RNC will almost certainly decide not to hold a do-over convention and will instead have the 150+ Committee Members vote by proxy, as provided by Rule 9 in the Republican Party Rules. They can do it within 5 days of Trump's announcement.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/prod-static-ngop-pbl/docs/Rules_of_the_Republican+Party_FINAL_S14090314.pdf
This of course is what the RNC has wanted all year, primarily because they despised both Trump and Ted Cruz, the #2 candidate. I need to observe that whatever it is that they hate about Cruz has not yet been fully explored in the press. Skeletons in the closet.
However, upon further reflection I've come back around to the idea the Cruz may be their pick, as a throwaway candidate that does not completely piss off the knuckledraggers. That allows the GOP to focus on damage-control in Congress. I expect they'll beg Paul Ryan to jump in before that, and he might do it, particularly if his primary fight goes south. That election is on August 9, so the RNC will know for sure before they convene.
The classic smoky backroom atmosphere of the choice will draw the sociopaths like moths to flame, Gingrich, Cruz, Karl Rove fronting for Jeb, and all those dark-hearted horses will have a much better chance behind closed doors than they will in public.
But we shall see. Trump has been focusing on high-dollar donor states this week, which has reinforced my conviction that he plans to leave soon. But the longer he stays in, the more money he gets to keep, so he will take it as far as he can.
TheBlackAdder
(28,205 posts).
Forrest Trump's has a sofa king big ego, larger than his sofa king huge pompadour.
He will look like a sofa king lame ass if he quits, he is sofa king trapped between a sofa king large rock and a sofa king hard place.
The GOP are sofa king screwed right now, they want him to sofa king suffer.
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whatthehey
(3,660 posts)Which replacement candidate would be easier to beat?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)whatthehey
(3,660 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)The odds might change.
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)Loudmouth idiots here who predicted Trump wins with absolute surety just a few weeks ago (where did they all go?) pretended to offer even odds. But of course never followed through. I might keep an eye on paddypower if Clinton has a bad week though.
MadBadger
(24,089 posts)At this point, I don't see them coming out for Ryan, Cruz, Rubio, Romney, etc.
Pence would make the most sense
sofa king
(10,857 posts)The election will actually be much more difficult, and we're less likely to gain control of Congress. But I consider that to be a price worth paying in light of the possibility that we could wind up with a manifestly unqualified patsy for the Russians if Trump stays in. It looks unlikely now, but never underestimate the ability of people with no conscience.
Tikki
(14,557 posts)the nominee get to wave our flags higher, too.
Not that we win either way....LOSERS all they are those repugs.
Tikki
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)sofa king
(10,857 posts)Right now the potential payoff is HUGE.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)FSogol
(45,488 posts)acceptable to all factions of their party. If they had, that person would have won the nomination.
The Trumpster fire will keep burning for a long time.
sofa king
(10,857 posts)If there was any pathway of collusion between Trump and the Russians--and one of his foreign policy directors was giving speeches in Russia just before he flew back and changed the Republican platform in favor of the Russians--that may well be considered espionage, particularly since Trump later publicly asked Russia to commit espionage on his behalf.
If that's the case, the deal has already been artfully pitched at Trump's head at 105 mph: drop out, keep the campaign cash, and use your notoriety to start your television network; or, be on the hook as an accomplice in an espionage case, with life in prison on the table. His ego will take the money.
That would explain Trump's otherwise inexplicable choice to visit high-dollar donor states this week instead of battleground states that he has to win.
FSogol
(45,488 posts)be largely ignored. The time frame (the election is in 3 months) doesn't work for your example either. Investigations take years, not days. Trump has not been offered any deals.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)Drumpf isn't going to step down. The GOP is stuck with him. They're trapped, like rats!
relayerbob
(6,544 posts)backscatter712
(26,355 posts)He'll get a lot of pressure to bail out, but my prediction is that he'll be stubborn and stay in, and he'll drag the entire GOP down like an anchor.
Well, as James Carville says, when your opponent is drowning, toss him an anvil!
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Let him tweet, tweet, tweet.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I looked at your links and don't see any true analysis at to why you have come to this conclusion. This crystal ball method is swinging on less certainty than that which can be seen in the restroom at the local ACLF.
sofa king
(10,857 posts)My actual analysis is tedious and based primarily upon long experience about how public figures avoid saying what's really important. My original specialty was in the theft of American Indian land, where government officials and their co-conspirators frequently destroyed and concealed evidence. In those cases one must look at the pattern of cover-up to find the evidence. It's "crystal ball" work, a path of research methodology open to historians, but not lawyers or journalists.
Some of it, however, can be clearly presented:
* When I saw Voice of America and the Washington post take the lead on the platform change, my ears pricked up. Both of those organizations have a long and well established inside track when it comes to reporting on issues touching upon national security.
* Then, when Donald Trump expressly asked Russia to commit espionage for him, I looked up the espionage statutes themselves. Here's a good one:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793
(Ironically, this is the very statute that Republicans have tried and failed to tie to Mrs. Clinton for the past year, so they were quite easy to find.)
* Then, the President interceded in what I thought to be an unusual way. He suddenly and authoritatively stepped in with his "unfit to serve" comment, and followed it up in almost the same breath by wondering why Republicans have failed to disown Trump's various comments. I interpret that as a warning, something President Obama the politician would not give his opposition in politics, but something he would give in national security matters.
* I then looked again at Trump's various faux pas regarding Russia, and realized that the President would be in an excellent position to know for sure how deep Trump's relationship with the Russians actually goes. In particular, if Trump really did fail to hold onto classified information on the first day that he was given a private briefing, the President would know about it. If the Clinton campaign emails were baited with a reverse hack, as was fleetingly reported earlier this week, that would give the President a unique inside look at who exactly was behind it, and possibly also a look at direct evidence of a relationship between Trump's people and Russia.
* Then Senate Democrats took the unusual measure of sending a letter to Ted Cruz, in his capacity as Chairman of the Judiciary Subcommittee on Oversight, Federal Rights and Agency Activities, asking him to investigate Trump's comments. The letter names both the Logan Act and the Espionage Act as potential violation areas, which confirmed my own conclusions above. It's basically asking, "if it ain't illegal, WHY isn't it?"
https://www.coons.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2016.08.03%20Coons,%20Whitehouse%20letter%20to%20Cruz.pdf
All of this assumes a higher level of responsibility among Democratic politicians than Republicans have shown. The President could be forcing Republicans to dig in by saying one thing and knowing they will do the opposite, but to do so over a potential national security measure would be far below the level of competence this President has shown in the past. Democratic Senators could be playing tit-for-tat in the Senate as revenge for the Benghazi hearings, but that also would be beneath their normal level of responsibility.
We also see a kitchen-sink hit-job on Trump in the press. That's largely thanks to himself, but it does not escape my notice that the FBI also frequently uses a public-pressure approach against suspects who refuse to confess, particularly against low-empathy people like serial killers, murderers, and domestic terrorists. Some of this shitstorm could actually be designed to produce a result of some sort. I think some of this is coming from an effort to publicly pressure a national security risk out of the race.
Note also that the issue is time-sensitive. If Trump really is a security risk, or if that's a reasonable possibility, he's got to be moved out of this race before he can get in, pardon himself, and grant himself all the security clearances which otherwise would be denied him. As long as he's still in it, he has a chance. If he's a patsy for the Russians, he can't be offered that chance. A formal investigation might not be able to move fast enough to avert the ultimate disaster, and evidence generated by clandestine means may not be admissible in public court. Furthermore, the timing of the event, in August, is most favorable to Republicans. It gives them a free do-over and even allows the RNC to pick a new candidate without voter input, which is what they've wanted all year. That's a pretty big concession to some people who don't deserve it, unless their tacit agreement is required behind closed doors.
And, perhaps most important, the potential outcome of Trump leaving the race is mainly positive for Republicans and negative for Democrats, who are quickly opening up a lead which may result in the largest across-the-board landslide in American politics in nearly 200 years. So if he's got to go, and I think he does, we pay the price for it, and yet the tea leaves tell me that's where it's headed.
So, in sum: I see movement under the covers. I saw Trump go silent for half a day on Twitter, after spending half a day trying to project his own crimes onto Mrs. Clinton by trying to tie her to the Russians. I see him furiously trying to generate donations instead of votes in the wrong states, as if he's trying to leave with a big bundle of cash.
And... I see nothing. No overt discussion of the issue by the government, though it's clearly a problem. Crystal ball shit.
"My original specialty was in the theft of American Indian land"
I believe my analysis of your analysis was spot on. Read every word of it. Time I will never get back.
sofa king
(10,857 posts)Then I'll draw you a picture if I'm wrong. I may just draw you a picture if I'm right, too.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)sofa king
(10,857 posts)Couldn't be more happy to be wrong!
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Perfectly displays what we are witnessing. Excellent.
Expecting Rain
(811 posts)as a gift to Democrats
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)Busy tweeting incoherent nonsense about Hillary and not Khan. His handlers are tightening the leash and he is letting them. He wants more spotlight. Look how he is upset that no one listened to him this weekend because they were busy with the Olympics?
He can't stand to be ignored. Lol
nolabear
(41,984 posts)How long before they can't prop up that corpse in lifelike poses any more?