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sofa king

(10,857 posts)
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 10:11 AM Aug 2016

I'm doubling down on Trump!

Between this Friday afternoon or the next, 12 August, 2016, Trump leaves the race.

You may take my bet without posting and if I am wrong, I will draw at least one picture of contrition for all of you, probably next Saturday.

If I am correct, we all win.

My rationale, which will put me first against the wall in January if I am wrong:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2284133

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1539853

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028069861

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I'm doubling down on Trump! (Original Post) sofa king Aug 2016 OP
It all depends on who the replacement is. CK_John Aug 2016 #1
I've been working on that, too sofa king Aug 2016 #11
A sofa king easy bet to make. I will be sofa king happy to take it. Trump has a sofa king big ego. TheBlackAdder Aug 2016 #31
How do we "win" if you are right? whatthehey Aug 2016 #2
See my #4 below. You can win real money, if you are willing to risk money. nt stevenleser Aug 2016 #5
On an ego-driven loon quitting? Hell no. Losing? Sure. Have a standing bet there but no takers whatthehey Aug 2016 #7
You can bet that there too. Put in $72 and if you win you get $100 as far as todays odds go. stevenleser Aug 2016 #8
That's the problem. Bookies have odds whatthehey Aug 2016 #10
Trumpkins stay home if it's anybody but a strong Trump supporter MadBadger Aug 2016 #6
We all win because America may not be destroyed. sofa king Aug 2016 #12
Well, if you are correct...then hands full of us who predicted ryan would ultimately be.... Tikki Aug 2016 #3
OK, you can put your money where your mouth is here... stevenleser Aug 2016 #4
I've been looking at that. sofa king Aug 2016 #13
It would be, if you put $100 and you won you would win about $1000. nt stevenleser Aug 2016 #14
Won't happen for two reasons. 1. Trump's ego and 2. The GOP doesn't have a candidate FSogol Aug 2016 #9
There may not be that many choices involved. sofa king Aug 2016 #17
Collusion with the Russians won't go anywhere. It'll be considered a political attack and will FSogol Aug 2016 #20
maybe that's why he mentioned that $400,000,000 dollars cause that what he was paid to drop out.lol SummerSnow Aug 2016 #15
No! Just no! longship Aug 2016 #16
Nah relayerbob Aug 2016 #18
His narcissistic ego will ensure he stays in. backscatter712 Aug 2016 #19
republicans need him to continue much closer to election day. he stays a couple months more. Sunlei Aug 2016 #21
The crystal ball approach. NCTraveler Aug 2016 #22
Yep, you are exactly correct. sofa king Aug 2016 #24
. NCTraveler Aug 2016 #25
I still have a week. sofa king Aug 2016 #26
I like drawing... NCTraveler Aug 2016 #28
Here you go. sofa king Aug 2016 #29
Love it. NCTraveler Aug 2016 #30
I want Trump to stay in Expecting Rain Aug 2016 #23
I disagree. His little vulgarian twitter loving fingers have been AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #27
That campaign is starting to look like Weekend at Bernie's nolabear Aug 2016 #32

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
11. I've been working on that, too
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 10:34 AM
Aug 2016

Here's what I think I know. Trump has to decide to leave on his own, or the RNC will have to rewrite its own rules (which is easy enough for the Party that writes its rules as a way to justify whatever they want to do).

If he does, the RNC will almost certainly decide not to hold a do-over convention and will instead have the 150+ Committee Members vote by proxy, as provided by Rule 9 in the Republican Party Rules. They can do it within 5 days of Trump's announcement.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/prod-static-ngop-pbl/docs/Rules_of_the_Republican+Party_FINAL_S14090314.pdf

This of course is what the RNC has wanted all year, primarily because they despised both Trump and Ted Cruz, the #2 candidate. I need to observe that whatever it is that they hate about Cruz has not yet been fully explored in the press. Skeletons in the closet.

However, upon further reflection I've come back around to the idea the Cruz may be their pick, as a throwaway candidate that does not completely piss off the knuckledraggers. That allows the GOP to focus on damage-control in Congress. I expect they'll beg Paul Ryan to jump in before that, and he might do it, particularly if his primary fight goes south. That election is on August 9, so the RNC will know for sure before they convene.

The classic smoky backroom atmosphere of the choice will draw the sociopaths like moths to flame, Gingrich, Cruz, Karl Rove fronting for Jeb, and all those dark-hearted horses will have a much better chance behind closed doors than they will in public.

But we shall see. Trump has been focusing on high-dollar donor states this week, which has reinforced my conviction that he plans to leave soon. But the longer he stays in, the more money he gets to keep, so he will take it as far as he can.

TheBlackAdder

(28,205 posts)
31. A sofa king easy bet to make. I will be sofa king happy to take it. Trump has a sofa king big ego.
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 10:11 AM
Aug 2016

.


Forrest Trump's has a sofa king big ego, larger than his sofa king huge pompadour.


He will look like a sofa king lame ass if he quits, he is sofa king trapped between a sofa king large rock and a sofa king hard place.


The GOP are sofa king screwed right now, they want him to sofa king suffer.


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stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
8. You can bet that there too. Put in $72 and if you win you get $100 as far as todays odds go.
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 10:26 AM
Aug 2016

The odds might change.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
10. That's the problem. Bookies have odds
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 10:29 AM
Aug 2016

Loudmouth idiots here who predicted Trump wins with absolute surety just a few weeks ago (where did they all go?) pretended to offer even odds. But of course never followed through. I might keep an eye on paddypower if Clinton has a bad week though.

MadBadger

(24,089 posts)
6. Trumpkins stay home if it's anybody but a strong Trump supporter
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 10:23 AM
Aug 2016

At this point, I don't see them coming out for Ryan, Cruz, Rubio, Romney, etc.

Pence would make the most sense

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
12. We all win because America may not be destroyed.
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 10:37 AM
Aug 2016

The election will actually be much more difficult, and we're less likely to gain control of Congress. But I consider that to be a price worth paying in light of the possibility that we could wind up with a manifestly unqualified patsy for the Russians if Trump stays in. It looks unlikely now, but never underestimate the ability of people with no conscience.

Tikki

(14,557 posts)
3. Well, if you are correct...then hands full of us who predicted ryan would ultimately be....
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 10:17 AM
Aug 2016

the nominee get to wave our flags higher, too.

Not that we win either way....LOSERS all they are those repugs.


Tikki

FSogol

(45,488 posts)
9. Won't happen for two reasons. 1. Trump's ego and 2. The GOP doesn't have a candidate
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 10:26 AM
Aug 2016

acceptable to all factions of their party. If they had, that person would have won the nomination.
The Trumpster fire will keep burning for a long time.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
17. There may not be that many choices involved.
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 11:26 AM
Aug 2016

If there was any pathway of collusion between Trump and the Russians--and one of his foreign policy directors was giving speeches in Russia just before he flew back and changed the Republican platform in favor of the Russians--that may well be considered espionage, particularly since Trump later publicly asked Russia to commit espionage on his behalf.

If that's the case, the deal has already been artfully pitched at Trump's head at 105 mph: drop out, keep the campaign cash, and use your notoriety to start your television network; or, be on the hook as an accomplice in an espionage case, with life in prison on the table. His ego will take the money.

That would explain Trump's otherwise inexplicable choice to visit high-dollar donor states this week instead of battleground states that he has to win.

FSogol

(45,488 posts)
20. Collusion with the Russians won't go anywhere. It'll be considered a political attack and will
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 12:13 PM
Aug 2016

be largely ignored. The time frame (the election is in 3 months) doesn't work for your example either. Investigations take years, not days. Trump has not been offered any deals.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
19. His narcissistic ego will ensure he stays in.
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 11:40 AM
Aug 2016

He'll get a lot of pressure to bail out, but my prediction is that he'll be stubborn and stay in, and he'll drag the entire GOP down like an anchor.

Well, as James Carville says, when your opponent is drowning, toss him an anvil!

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
21. republicans need him to continue much closer to election day. he stays a couple months more.
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 01:17 PM
Aug 2016

Let him tweet, tweet, tweet.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
22. The crystal ball approach.
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 01:28 PM
Aug 2016

I looked at your links and don't see any true analysis at to why you have come to this conclusion. This crystal ball method is swinging on less certainty than that which can be seen in the restroom at the local ACLF.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
24. Yep, you are exactly correct.
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 02:35 PM
Aug 2016

My actual analysis is tedious and based primarily upon long experience about how public figures avoid saying what's really important. My original specialty was in the theft of American Indian land, where government officials and their co-conspirators frequently destroyed and concealed evidence. In those cases one must look at the pattern of cover-up to find the evidence. It's "crystal ball" work, a path of research methodology open to historians, but not lawyers or journalists.

Some of it, however, can be clearly presented:

* When I saw Voice of America and the Washington post take the lead on the platform change, my ears pricked up. Both of those organizations have a long and well established inside track when it comes to reporting on issues touching upon national security.

* Then, when Donald Trump expressly asked Russia to commit espionage for him, I looked up the espionage statutes themselves. Here's a good one:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793

(Ironically, this is the very statute that Republicans have tried and failed to tie to Mrs. Clinton for the past year, so they were quite easy to find.)

* Then, the President interceded in what I thought to be an unusual way. He suddenly and authoritatively stepped in with his "unfit to serve" comment, and followed it up in almost the same breath by wondering why Republicans have failed to disown Trump's various comments. I interpret that as a warning, something President Obama the politician would not give his opposition in politics, but something he would give in national security matters.

* I then looked again at Trump's various faux pas regarding Russia, and realized that the President would be in an excellent position to know for sure how deep Trump's relationship with the Russians actually goes. In particular, if Trump really did fail to hold onto classified information on the first day that he was given a private briefing, the President would know about it. If the Clinton campaign emails were baited with a reverse hack, as was fleetingly reported earlier this week, that would give the President a unique inside look at who exactly was behind it, and possibly also a look at direct evidence of a relationship between Trump's people and Russia.

* Then Senate Democrats took the unusual measure of sending a letter to Ted Cruz, in his capacity as Chairman of the Judiciary Subcommittee on Oversight, Federal Rights and Agency Activities, asking him to investigate Trump's comments. The letter names both the Logan Act and the Espionage Act as potential violation areas, which confirmed my own conclusions above. It's basically asking, "if it ain't illegal, WHY isn't it?"

https://www.coons.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2016.08.03%20Coons,%20Whitehouse%20letter%20to%20Cruz.pdf

All of this assumes a higher level of responsibility among Democratic politicians than Republicans have shown. The President could be forcing Republicans to dig in by saying one thing and knowing they will do the opposite, but to do so over a potential national security measure would be far below the level of competence this President has shown in the past. Democratic Senators could be playing tit-for-tat in the Senate as revenge for the Benghazi hearings, but that also would be beneath their normal level of responsibility.

We also see a kitchen-sink hit-job on Trump in the press. That's largely thanks to himself, but it does not escape my notice that the FBI also frequently uses a public-pressure approach against suspects who refuse to confess, particularly against low-empathy people like serial killers, murderers, and domestic terrorists. Some of this shitstorm could actually be designed to produce a result of some sort. I think some of this is coming from an effort to publicly pressure a national security risk out of the race.

Note also that the issue is time-sensitive. If Trump really is a security risk, or if that's a reasonable possibility, he's got to be moved out of this race before he can get in, pardon himself, and grant himself all the security clearances which otherwise would be denied him. As long as he's still in it, he has a chance. If he's a patsy for the Russians, he can't be offered that chance. A formal investigation might not be able to move fast enough to avert the ultimate disaster, and evidence generated by clandestine means may not be admissible in public court. Furthermore, the timing of the event, in August, is most favorable to Republicans. It gives them a free do-over and even allows the RNC to pick a new candidate without voter input, which is what they've wanted all year. That's a pretty big concession to some people who don't deserve it, unless their tacit agreement is required behind closed doors.

And, perhaps most important, the potential outcome of Trump leaving the race is mainly positive for Republicans and negative for Democrats, who are quickly opening up a lead which may result in the largest across-the-board landslide in American politics in nearly 200 years. So if he's got to go, and I think he does, we pay the price for it, and yet the tea leaves tell me that's where it's headed.

So, in sum: I see movement under the covers. I saw Trump go silent for half a day on Twitter, after spending half a day trying to project his own crimes onto Mrs. Clinton by trying to tie her to the Russians. I see him furiously trying to generate donations instead of votes in the wrong states, as if he's trying to leave with a big bundle of cash.

And... I see nothing. No overt discussion of the issue by the government, though it's clearly a problem. Crystal ball shit.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
25. .
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 05:51 PM
Aug 2016

"My original specialty was in the theft of American Indian land"



I believe my analysis of your analysis was spot on. Read every word of it. Time I will never get back.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
26. I still have a week.
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 10:12 PM
Aug 2016

Then I'll draw you a picture if I'm wrong. I may just draw you a picture if I'm right, too.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
27. I disagree. His little vulgarian twitter loving fingers have been
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 03:01 AM
Aug 2016

Busy tweeting incoherent nonsense about Hillary and not Khan. His handlers are tightening the leash and he is letting them. He wants more spotlight. Look how he is upset that no one listened to him this weekend because they were busy with the Olympics?

He can't stand to be ignored. Lol

nolabear

(41,984 posts)
32. That campaign is starting to look like Weekend at Bernie's
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 10:17 AM
Aug 2016

How long before they can't prop up that corpse in lifelike poses any more?

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