Russian interference in US election?...It's not like we haven't done the same thing

[Va Lefty]

Interesting article by William Greider


"America appears to be the United States of Hypocrisy. The so-called “American exceptionalism” celebrated by warrior scholars and chicken-hawk politicians is exceptionally bogus. It feeds the popular pretension of “injured innocence” that many people want to feel when hostile foreigners do terrible things to our side—whether to our people at home or our troops abroad."

https://www.thenation.com/article/we-should-be-shocked-shocked-at-reports-of-russian-interference-in-us-elections/

[cheapdate]

1. True story. Meddling in elections

is a century old American tradition.

[emulatorloo]

2. Cool. A Putin apologist.

[zappaman]

3. So, you don't mind if Putin does it to the US?

[Va Lefty]

5. Not my point

Just think it's more than a little hypocritical to act all outraged and shocked when we have done far worse.

[stevenleser]

7. No, it's not. Countries that have been around a while have all done bad things. The crazy argument

being advanced by the Nation is, if your country has ever done something wrong, its 100% OK for everyone else to do it to you forever.

That's the more crazy argument.

[emulatorloo]

8. I know! Poor little misunderstood Putin! Happily Trump is out there fighting for him.

[NWCorona]

4. Isreal did it here as well

[frazzled]

6. William Greider wrote this other article praising Trump's "foreign policy" agenda

https://www.thenation.com/article/donald-trump-could-be-the-military-industrial-complexs-worst-nightmare/

Imagine ...

[Demsrule86]

11. So the nation is supporting Trump?

Time to cancel my subscription.

[frazzled]

17. I don't know if I'd call it "supporting Trump" but I would call it

supporting his isolationist, and slightly crazy foreign policy statements: pulling out of NATO and other foreign alliances, etc. In that way, they are sort of "supporting" him.

[Demsrule86]

20. I suppose it fits with their world view.

I think getting rid of NATO would be a bad idea...as annoyed as I get at times.

[Demsrule86]

14. I fail to understand how this guy could favor Trump. nt

[malaise]

9. Must read

I lived through US meddling in elections

[Demsrule86]

10. It is not the point...I don't know when a candidate has invited the Russians to interfere in our

elections...Trump would not doubt give Eastern Europe back to the Russians and destroy NATO. I find the Russian interference unacceptable...and the 'they all do it' defense (propaganda) doesn't work for me. Why is the Nation defending Russian influence on our elections?

[stevenleser]

13. It's strange. The Nation went off the deep end right around the time RT did, which is shortly prior

to the Russian invasion of Crimea.

It could be a coincidence, I suppose.

[Demsrule86]

15. Interesting.

I have not had time to read them lately...I have a pile on my bookshelf...won't bother. I am so sick of this crap. We have a good chance this year for the presidency and Congress, and it seems we have to Wade through the Green's shit and some the wackos who claim they are left but think electing Republicans is a good idea? A pox on all of them!

[Peacetrain]

12. Bob you are missing the point

One of our own... Our own candidates.. invited the Russians to spy and hack our political system..

[George Eliot]

18. You can be a good Democrat and still be honest, truthful and accurate about the country.

Until you have evidence, no one knows for sure. And double standards are still double standards. I can love my country and still face the reality that it is not perfect. Shouldn't Democrats try to make it better instead of denying it?

[Lord Magus]

19. Seems like a garbage article.

I seriously couldn't keep reading after he compared Russian's actions to the NSA spying on Angela Merkel.

It would be shocking if any major power wasn't spying on all the other major powers of the world. But actively intervening in another nation's elections is something completely different from spying.

[JSup]

21. I think...

...that if I can get upset when we do it to someone else then I have the right to be upset when someone else does it to us.