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Which state will turn blue next? I say South Carolina. (Original Post) yellowcanine Aug 2016 OP
Well, this is great but we still need to get out the vote! redstatebluegirl Aug 2016 #1
Matt Santos won it on West Wing democrattotheend Aug 2016 #2
West Wing was an alternate Universe. MohRokTah Aug 2016 #3
right bluestateguy Aug 2016 #5
Well, maybe, but only if we can get out the vote heavily in MineralMan Aug 2016 #4
Well, it is home to Democratic President...... Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #6
If you mean democrat or republican gogo_du Aug 2016 #23
LOL! No chance. Stubborn Aug 2016 #7
You can't paint whole states with one brush DesertRat Aug 2016 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Stubborn Aug 2016 #15
My money is on Missouri. kestrel91316 Aug 2016 #8
The bigotry, racism and misogyny are selective here. GoCubsGo Aug 2016 #14
I am still hoping for Texas Gothmog Aug 2016 #9
I don't see that happening at all eissa Aug 2016 #10
Obama ended up losing NC by 3 or 4 points in 2012. In 2014 and 2016, NC became more Red. Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #12
SC is too far gone. I would say Maine and New Hampshire. Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #11
Huh? Johnny2X2X Aug 2016 #16
I was thinking of LePage but you're right Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #18
If NH is still being contested LoverOfLiberty Aug 2016 #17
Either SC or Texas in my opinion axiom3 Aug 2016 #19
My rule of thumb... GulfCoast66 Aug 2016 #20
Is this based on some actual data? Or just a feeling? brooklynite Aug 2016 #21
It has been light pink for a while on 538. yellowcanine Aug 2016 #24
What about Texas? TheFarseer Aug 2016 #22
I have heard that Texas is in play Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #26
This is so awesome...to even force the GOP to spend in those states Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #25
The media is currently focusing on Trump eventually out of "fairness" book_worm Aug 2016 #27
Watch Texas... JCMach1 Aug 2016 #28
ARIZONA! is a real possibility this year. Woohoo! AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #29
 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
3. West Wing was an alternate Universe.
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 02:14 PM
Aug 2016

The year for presidential elections was offset in that universe by two years due to Nixon's resignation, too. So Santos was elected in 2006.

Nixon's presidency is the key event of divergence in that universe.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
5. right
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 02:23 PM
Aug 2016

And I think in the WW universe the Republicans took over Congress in 1984 or 1986.

And President D. Wire Newman (James Cromwell) was the Carter-type of president.

MineralMan

(146,311 posts)
4. Well, maybe, but only if we can get out the vote heavily in
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 02:21 PM
Aug 2016

that state, which puts many barriers up to keep the black vote low. If the state government manages to keep black voters away from the polls, as usually happens, there's little chance for it to turn blue. If, on the other hand, we take GOTV and voting rights very seriously in that state, it could go blue.

Georgia is a possibility, as is Arizona. I don't hold out much hope for Utah, though, in the end. Missouri could easily go for Hillary, though. That wouldn't surprise me too much, really.

A lot is going to depend on how stupidly Trump runs his campaign. If he continue to lose ground with Republicans, anything could happen. If enough Republicans decide to vote for Johnson, for example, that could be enough to shift several states over to blue status. For example, Texas Republicans might respond to Johnson's candidacy positively, if Trump gets more stupid. That could be enough to flip Texas.

Keep watching the polls. They'll tell the story as we get closer.

And GOTV! That's the key.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
6. Well, it is home to Democratic President......
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 02:39 PM
Aug 2016

....Frank Underwood.




(As an aside, it is pretty interesting that House of Cards doesn't shy away from giving partisan labels to their characters, but yet essentially makes them pretty much meaningless?)

gogo_du

(29 posts)
23. If you mean democrat or republican
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 11:10 PM
Aug 2016

Frank was actually a repub in the book but for the show repubs were hated so much they made him democrat to make it watchable.

Response to DesertRat (Reply #13)

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
8. My money is on Missouri.
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 02:49 PM
Aug 2016

The entrenched bigotry, racism, and misogyny in SC is pretty hard to overcome.

In Utah you have the Mormon church tainting everything, but the dominance of SLC and its non-Mormon majority could swing it.

Here's how I think it will go: MO first, then UT. Only maybe then SC.

GoCubsGo

(32,084 posts)
14. The bigotry, racism and misogyny are selective here.
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 04:06 PM
Aug 2016

We have a female governor who is of Indian descent, a black US senator, and the other has long been rumored to be gay. If they were Democrats, the odds of them attaining their current offices are slim. But, as we all know, IOIYAAR.

Oddly enough, when I first moved here, we had a Democratic Senator (Fritz Hollings), and my representative was a Democrat, but she was replaced by Lindsay Graham during the 1994 rethuglican "revolution." I live in the district that is now represented by the shitstain who called President Obama a liar during his first state of the union address.

That being said, I agree that MO will likely turn blue first. I'd say the odds of SC going blue are similar to those of UT. There are actually some fairly good-sized pockets of Democrats here, such as in Charleston and Columbia. A fat chunk of them have been gerrymandered into one district, while at least two have significant numbers, but just few enough that they generally won't make a difference, except maybe in rare circumstances.

eissa

(4,238 posts)
10. I don't see that happening at all
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 04:14 PM
Aug 2016

I think we have a good chance of taking Arizona. But we need to maintain NC and FL. I think the bible belt will need to be dragged kicking and screaming to our side.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
12. Obama ended up losing NC by 3 or 4 points in 2012. In 2014 and 2016, NC became more Red.
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 04:24 PM
Aug 2016

I don't see that changing any time soon. Yes, the ID laws were struck down, but with the rightward tilt at all levels of NC government, I simply don't see it happening.

Arizona and Florida, with it's growing Hispanic and changing Hispanic/Latino populations, is more realistic.

LoverOfLiberty

(1,438 posts)
17. If NH is still being contested
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 04:38 PM
Aug 2016

then it indicates weakness in other swing states. Last poll I saw had D+15 so I'm thinking its not on the table for Rs this time around.

 

axiom3

(54 posts)
19. Either SC or Texas in my opinion
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 08:09 PM
Aug 2016

Utah's population is heavily Mormon, so I doubt it'll turn blue anytime soon. In Texas, the Hispanic population, as well as the population of other minorities, is increasing more and more each year, and they tend to vote Democratic. Ditto for South Carolina. At this rate, I'd say either of those 2 states will flip blue by 2020-2024. That's just a wild guess, though.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
20. My rule of thumb...
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 09:30 PM
Aug 2016

Anyone projecting SC or Texas is going Blue his election must live in Colorado or Oregon.

I hope they are right and will apologize profusely if they are. But I live in the South. I can't see it. Even MO seems crazy to me, but at least they have St. Louis.

Do not count FL as a given. There are lots of rednecks and bitter, white Midwestern retirees down here that are all in for Trump.

And I say that as I liberal redneck! They often volunteer their thoughts to me because they assume someone driving a truck with boots, jeans and a cap on are on their side.

As an aside...I used to just be noncommittal, but now I tell them that after spending several months in Europe I am a Social Democrat. I wish I could film it.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
24. It has been light pink for a while on 538.
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 09:17 AM
Aug 2016

Differences have fluctuated from 1-3 points ever since the conventions.

Demsrule86

(68,576 posts)
25. This is so awesome...to even force the GOP to spend in those states
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 09:44 AM
Aug 2016

but this year...we might actually win some? It is blowing my mind in a good way!

book_worm

(15,951 posts)
27. The media is currently focusing on Trump eventually out of "fairness"
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 12:36 PM
Aug 2016

They will start in on Hillary. So while things are looking good now--I can still see the media trying to influence the horse race.

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