2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhich state will turn blue next? I say South Carolina.
Missouri and Utah looking pretty good also.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)But he also won Texas and lost Vermont and California. Not very realistic.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)The year for presidential elections was offset in that universe by two years due to Nixon's resignation, too. So Santos was elected in 2006.
Nixon's presidency is the key event of divergence in that universe.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)And I think in the WW universe the Republicans took over Congress in 1984 or 1986.
And President D. Wire Newman (James Cromwell) was the Carter-type of president.
MineralMan
(146,311 posts)that state, which puts many barriers up to keep the black vote low. If the state government manages to keep black voters away from the polls, as usually happens, there's little chance for it to turn blue. If, on the other hand, we take GOTV and voting rights very seriously in that state, it could go blue.
Georgia is a possibility, as is Arizona. I don't hold out much hope for Utah, though, in the end. Missouri could easily go for Hillary, though. That wouldn't surprise me too much, really.
A lot is going to depend on how stupidly Trump runs his campaign. If he continue to lose ground with Republicans, anything could happen. If enough Republicans decide to vote for Johnson, for example, that could be enough to shift several states over to blue status. For example, Texas Republicans might respond to Johnson's candidacy positively, if Trump gets more stupid. That could be enough to flip Texas.
Keep watching the polls. They'll tell the story as we get closer.
And GOTV! That's the key.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)....Frank Underwood.
(As an aside, it is pretty interesting that House of Cards doesn't shy away from giving partisan labels to their characters, but yet essentially makes them pretty much meaningless?)
gogo_du
(29 posts)Frank was actually a repub in the book but for the show repubs were hated so much they made him democrat to make it watchable.
Stubborn
(116 posts)People are nuts in that state.
Only reason Georgia has a chance is because of Atlanta.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)You might be surprised by what happens this year.
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kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)The entrenched bigotry, racism, and misogyny in SC is pretty hard to overcome.
In Utah you have the Mormon church tainting everything, but the dominance of SLC and its non-Mormon majority could swing it.
Here's how I think it will go: MO first, then UT. Only maybe then SC.
GoCubsGo
(32,084 posts)We have a female governor who is of Indian descent, a black US senator, and the other has long been rumored to be gay. If they were Democrats, the odds of them attaining their current offices are slim. But, as we all know, IOIYAAR.
Oddly enough, when I first moved here, we had a Democratic Senator (Fritz Hollings), and my representative was a Democrat, but she was replaced by Lindsay Graham during the 1994 rethuglican "revolution." I live in the district that is now represented by the shitstain who called President Obama a liar during his first state of the union address.
That being said, I agree that MO will likely turn blue first. I'd say the odds of SC going blue are similar to those of UT. There are actually some fairly good-sized pockets of Democrats here, such as in Charleston and Columbia. A fat chunk of them have been gerrymandered into one district, while at least two have significant numbers, but just few enough that they generally won't make a difference, except maybe in rare circumstances.
Gothmog
(145,256 posts)It is a long shot but I have hopes
eissa
(4,238 posts)I think we have a good chance of taking Arizona. But we need to maintain NC and FL. I think the bible belt will need to be dragged kicking and screaming to our side.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)I don't see that changing any time soon. Yes, the ID laws were struck down, but with the rightward tilt at all levels of NC government, I simply don't see it happening.
Arizona and Florida, with it's growing Hispanic and changing Hispanic/Latino populations, is more realistic.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,066 posts)Maine is blue as ever.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)LoverOfLiberty
(1,438 posts)then it indicates weakness in other swing states. Last poll I saw had D+15 so I'm thinking its not on the table for Rs this time around.
axiom3
(54 posts)Utah's population is heavily Mormon, so I doubt it'll turn blue anytime soon. In Texas, the Hispanic population, as well as the population of other minorities, is increasing more and more each year, and they tend to vote Democratic. Ditto for South Carolina. At this rate, I'd say either of those 2 states will flip blue by 2020-2024. That's just a wild guess, though.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Anyone projecting SC or Texas is going Blue his election must live in Colorado or Oregon.
I hope they are right and will apologize profusely if they are. But I live in the South. I can't see it. Even MO seems crazy to me, but at least they have St. Louis.
Do not count FL as a given. There are lots of rednecks and bitter, white Midwestern retirees down here that are all in for Trump.
And I say that as I liberal redneck! They often volunteer their thoughts to me because they assume someone driving a truck with boots, jeans and a cap on are on their side.
As an aside...I used to just be noncommittal, but now I tell them that after spending several months in Europe I am a Social Democrat. I wish I could film it.
brooklynite
(94,572 posts)yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)Differences have fluctuated from 1-3 points ever since the conventions.
TheFarseer
(9,323 posts)Lots of Latinos and they didn't vote Trump in the primary.
Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)Maybe someone as evil as Trump will bring out the vote.
Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)but this year...we might actually win some? It is blowing my mind in a good way!
book_worm
(15,951 posts)They will start in on Hillary. So while things are looking good now--I can still see the media trying to influence the horse race.