2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumTrump's Sept. strategy. Just mark this.
He's going to piss of repubs (which is safe because of Hillary hate) and woo unions. It's the only way he gets the rustbelt. He's going all in on anti-TPP and will keep hammering and mocking Clintons on NAFTA. He will cozy up to unions--first the workers (has already been doing so; trust me!) and then leadership by proxy of members. His rhetorical populism polls so damned well. He's going to go full monty with pro-union rhetoric. He's hoping everyone forgets his anti-union practices. His rhetoric is going to be so, so red-meat and so anti-Clinton. Just have to work hard to show his record. The rustbelt is the key. The unions--the workers, not the bosses--are, therefore, the key.
How will it get airtime? Because it will be yet another "repub civil war" story. Repub governors love them some "right to work" laws. Trump is going to shit all over that. But who else will they vote for? Hillary?
Statistical
(19,264 posts)From where I look it is a narcissist in a full on meltdown. Trying to see a Trump strategy is like trying to logically explain consequences to a toddler in a tantrum.
ithinkmyliverhurts
(1,928 posts)True. But, seriously, there is movement from the inside--just from workers. His anti-TPP and anti-NAFTA is music for many in rust belt. It won't take much. But, yes, if had money to bet, it would be on Trump's narcissism and lack of self-control.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)people. We need to be ready on this front because there are some issues where HRC/Dems are vulnerable.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Is failing.
Trump is such a bad candidate that "Hillary Hate" is no longer resonating with many on the right.
ithinkmyliverhurts
(1,928 posts)I'm in a rust belt state. His protectionist rhetoric really is effective. The Hillary hate is tied directly to NAFTA. And just basic anti-Washington populism.
I would never bet on Trump. My point isn't that he's going to win or that he's even going to come close. My only point is that he's going to tap into the worker portion of our union support, which increasingly tires of its own leadership. But I may be myopic and read these things simply through too much of an IWW lens.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Check out his list if economic advisors.
His history of hiring foreign labor, and his disgusting treatment of Unions in Nevada reveal him as a liar who will say any thing get elected.
Low information voters will vote for him. All we can do is try to educate them.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)piechartking
(617 posts)Get Bloomberg out there again. That's what emotionally wounds him the most. Richer fellow New Yorker.
onecaliberal
(32,861 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)Trump and strategy? Yeah not so much.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)about working people, he may be able to dupe a lot of working and middle class people on the NAFTA issue.
Even if those people weren't going to vote for HRC to begin with, any inroads she may have made with Independents could be thwarted due to these issues.
Republicans will allow him to ****pretend**** to be pro-union and anti-NAFTA/trade if it means they win. They'll sell their souls to the devil to win. And they will lie fervently, pretending to care about ordinary citizens and taking the narrative away from Democrats if it means they win.
They are more about party than anything else.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)issue for their own benefit.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)The largest building trades unions have endorsed Hillary and are some of her largest donors. The building trades unions are actually seeing a growing membership and NAFTA didn't hurt them one bit. NAFTA didn't, and can't, hurt the SEIU, CWA, nurses unions or teachers unions. Trump is right to work and unions all know what that means. Trump would be wasting his time.
Oh, and that "bosses" thing, doesn't work and hasn't worked for years.
ithinkmyliverhurts
(1,928 posts)But his right to work rhetoric will change quickly. If it doesn't, he's done. His only change is Michigan, Ohio, Penn., et al (democratic states). He'll just lie and "explain" himself as he always does. Then he'll go full-frontal protectionism--or at least just anti-TPP, anti-NAFTA (while tying Clinton to it). Do you know how unions work in the rust belt? The biggest ones (UAW, for example) are often the union for public jobs (some social workers, for example).
I'm sorry, the "bosses" thing is legit on the ground. We hate that they make so much and don't deliver for us. HATE IT!!! And even if I'm factually wrong, my golfing and poker buddies don't feel so.
I'm on your side, obviously, but his populism thing bothers me because I see its effect. Even if it doesn't procure him the presidency, it gives a god-awful in-road to opportunistic triangulating repub bastards.
When all is said and done--to repeat myself--Trump won't win, but he could easily stir up shit with protectionism and pro-worker rhetoric. Easily. If you don't think so, then you work with very different people from me.
pampango
(24,692 posts)and deregulation, they are doomed.
I have not heard Trump "shit all over" 'right-to-work'.
"The Teamsters Union is an example, you know, the workers, not the top people, because I fight them all the time, and I fight the unions very hard. But there are certain areas of the country where you only have unions. You don't have right-to-work," he said.
Some labor leaders clearly do not like the idea of a President Trump. In August, AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka called the GOP field "hateful and racist." Trumka did not mention Trump by name, but the comment was in reaction to the immigration debate in the GOP primary, which Trump has dominated by proposing a wall on the Mexican border and banning any further immigration by Muslims.
Throughout the interview Trump drew a distinction between the union leaders, who he said he had sometimes had issues with, and the rank and file members, who he praised effusively and said he had a strong connection with. "The union people, the people in unions, they seem to really want to vote for me. It's been amazing," he said.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-i-like-right-to-work-better/article/2583977
As is Trump's style, he may have switched positions on 'right-to-work' since his expressed desired to spread it nationwide. Perhaps he is 'shitting on' right-to-work now but who in hell would believe his convenient change of heart.