2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary is backed by "72% of those who say they had supported Sanders"
Such was the finding of the latest USA TODAY/Rock the Vote Poll.
Thanks to Bernie Sanders, the overwhelming majority of Bernie supporters, and the clear superiority of Hillary Clinton over Don the Con, the #BernieOrBust movement is a failure.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/08/14/donald-trump-historic-trouncing-among-younger-voters-hillary-clinton-president-poll/88666746/
George Eliot
(701 posts)I think Shepard Smith whom I enjoy watching.
Wednesdays
(21,658 posts)I'm one of those!
democrattotheend
(12,011 posts)Since I live in a non-swing state I considered not voting for her for a little while when I was in my stages of grief. Hopefully most of the 28% of Bernie supporters who are not voting for her live in non-swing states like me. I have never felt obligated to vote for her like I would if I lived in a swing state. I am going to vote for her because I want to, not because I have to.
If I lived in a swing state I would not have even had to think about it. Hopefully most of the Bernie supporters in swing states will come to their senses in the end. I will feel better going into the election if most of the undecideds are Bernie supporters than if they are mostly supporters of other Republicans, because people often flirt with the idea of voting outside their party but ultimately "come home."
Maru Kitteh
(31,290 posts)rufus dog
(8,419 posts)And I bet that I am similar to at least half of the remaining 28%, if polled today, I would likely say I am not committed. Now I live in CA, so not much of an impact.
Bernie supporters are NOT going to Trump, I bet over 1/2 will go Clinton, and the other half may leave the ballot blank.
Now if I had to walk into the booth in the morning, I would vote for Hillary.
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I'll let my phone's autocorrect stand as is because it's funny.
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calimary
(89,141 posts)I just want to add a GIGANTIC thank-you! I fully remember how so many of them sincerely believed in him, and were inspired by him, and energized, and activated. Lots of folks here presently were among them. It's miserable to get one's hopes up and then to have to face disappointment. I know because I've been there myself.
I'm so glad to see this! I'm genuinely impressed - and thrilled - AND encouraged - that such a high percentage of folks in the Sanders camp have come over to join us Hillary supporters! I want to make sure you guys get a sense of how deeply it's appreciated! All the way to the top, I'm certain. You've gotta know Hillary appreciates this, too, and rather intensely so. After all, nobody understands the disappointment of losing the nomination as acutely and personally as she does.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Some were lost causes from the start, but he's brought over all the Democrats + allies.
onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)This election is far too important, there is a lot on the line. Hillary also scooted a bit farther left, which was an added bonus. We need to kick that evil oranges ass and send him back to the rock he emerged from.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)And it may be that Clinton will accomplish more progressive change than he would have been able to.
zappaman
(20,627 posts)I went over there a couple of weeks ago. They aren't Dems or Liberals.
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)Last edited Tue Aug 16, 2016, 07:11 AM - Edit history (1)
Almost as if there are more than a few people who post here AND at the hate-site, thinking no one will notice.
okasha
(11,573 posts)There's three months to go for the reality of Trump to set in.
Third Doctor
(1,574 posts)lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)One of Sanders' amazing accomplishments was registering and engaging a ton of new voters who otherwise wouldn't even have registered. We couldn't have counted on all of them getting on board with a party they'd previously spurned.
Sanders fattened our ranks, and will have contributed significantly to what looks like big wins for Dems. There's no need to expect him and Clinton to have done more than the possible. It looks like they are doing more than enough.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)Hillary Hate and apathy being what they are, no one seriously expected him to personally drive 100% of his supporters to the polls in November, nor could even a superstar like Clinton win them all over. It's okay.
groundloop
(13,574 posts)Really, there are two choices - Will DonTheCon or Hillary Clinton come closest to supporting the positions that I support. That's what presidential elections are, a choice between one of two possibilities. If you don't support one then you're helping the other. Even though I was a strong Bernie supporter and contributor I am now fully behind Hillary. With just a bit of luck we can take back the Senate and possibly even the House, that's the only way we can keep from losing the progress we've made over the last 8 years (by the way, does anyone even remember how bad things were right before President Obama took office?).
SHRED
(28,136 posts)...it will be on her to continue to track left to keep this party together.
NO TPP
NO Keystone XL
$15 minimum wage
Work hard for universal health care
Tuition free higher education
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Not that it matters.
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)You would already know the answer to that. Even during the most vicious attacks on us HRC supporters (and given that we were only 15% of the members, only us die-hards remained) I cannot remember more than one or two saying they would not vote for Sanders, should he by a miracle have gotten the nomination. Pretty much all of us made clear that we would vote for him.
On the other side, however, I would say a significant percentage of Sanders supporters have made it clear they will not vote for HRC. You only need to see the number of die-hard Sanders supporters who haven't accepted the ToS here, or who say one thing here, and a completely different thing on sites like JPR. I find their display of privilege and disdain for minorities inherent in that decision breath-taking, all things considered.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)I'm a classic pre-Reagan Blue Collar Democrat. I'm old enough to remember when the Democrats used to give speeches in Union Halls.
Some of the really hard core Liberals who demand political purity serve the cause better from the outside.
glennward
(989 posts)Here is what I believe and know from life experience. People usually end up attracting to themselves people of like spirit. Unlike spirit and character usually end up being opposed to each other. It works in most every kind of relationship. Use your own family to test this out.
People can be cunning and appear to be genuine about you and themselves but deep down inside your own personal barometer registers the truth about yourself as well as them. For example, take Trump. Look at the people who really, really support him and who are attracted to him. I believe it is because they not only believe what he is saying (but they don't have to believe it) they actually feel the same way as he does.
If you are a true liberal and not just one who is really a libertarian dressed in liberal clothing, you will never really be attracted to anyone else except the person who is a true liberal in their core spirit. You may go along with someone who professes to be a liberal but deep down inside you won't really be comfortable with that person. Perhaps you are one who remembers how it felt when you went along with the school bully just to be safe and pretended that you were a mean person yourself. You made fun of the kid with a disability so as not to be scorned by the rest of the group? But you really, really didn't like the feeling.
Well it works in politics that way too. You may have friends and family who are staunch conservatives, who support Trump and are very vocal about it. You may pretend to agree with them when you are around them but they really make you feel uncomfortable and actually they are not very close to you anyway. They kind of shun you at family gatherings etc.
Hillary and even Bill may take positions that you do not favor but somehow you still favor them and are attracted to them. I believe it is because that deep down inside your spirit identifies with theirs. Deep inside they are really decent, loving, caring individuals. Just my theory based on my own life experiences.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Democat
(11,617 posts)If Sanders was the nominee, I think his support would be strong.
Also, no one likes Trump.
onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)The primary is over, Hillary is our candidate . There are many like me.
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)...back in 2008. Overwhelmingly so, though there were some "Hillary or bust" types. But I would guess--and guess is all any of us can do here--that it would be equal to these percentages or less had Bernie won the nomination. As pointed out, Hillary voters here were saying left and right that they liked Bernie and would vote for him if he won.
Maybe it was easier for them than a Sanders voter to imagine doing that because they'd "been-there-and-done-that." If you're going travel that journey of a thousand steps, you can't think of how many you've already gone and have yet to go. You need to fix your eyes on the horizon and keep walking. And know that you will get there.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)They still believe she was robbed in 08 and they said they weren't going to vote if Bernie won.
We're talking Hillary pictures all over the fridge.
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)--Most Hillary voters would not be with Bernie? That there's no way there'd be 72% of them ready to cast their votes for him? And your evidence for this would be those Hillary supporters you personally know who said they'd stay home if Bernie won? That's a pretty small sample on which to base your conclusion, don't you think? That'd be like everyone here assuming all Bernie supporters were "Busters" given that they personally knew a few Busters...we're talking people with Bernie pictures all over their refrigerators.
Like I said, it's all speculation any way. But is there any good reason to imply, as you seem to be doing, that Hillary supporters wouldn't have been willing to sacrifice what Bernie supporters have. That Hillary supporters wouldn't have fought for the greater good, like Bernie supporters. That, simply, Bernie supporters are better people then Hillary supports, more trustworthy, more honest, more willing to do what is right?
I think that does a terrible disservice to Hillary supporters, even those extreme ones you personally know who, angry and depressed, may have said they'd do one thing, and yet, had the tables been turned, might well have found some reserve of sanity and goodness in themselves, and done the right thing. For Hillary. And for America.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)...got Bernie numbers, and lost, then I'm going to wildly, and without any evidence at all, guess that 72% of those losing Hillary voters would have probably said they'd vote for Bernie rather than Trump, rather than staying home, rather than writing in Hillary's name or voting for some third party candidate.
I'm sure some of them would have had messages at the bottom of their posts to make it clear that they were doing what they felt they had to do rather than what they wanted to do; something like, "Hillary has my heart, but Bernie my vote," but they'd have come through, I'm sure, at roughly about the same percent as the current Bernie followers.
I mean, if we're taking a wild, what-if? guess, then I see no reason to argue anything other than even-steven. Without facts to prove the contrary, saying anything else would be, well, divisive, don't you think?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)I remember some of the really vile racist stuff that came out of the soccer mom types back then.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)81% of Clinton supporters backed Obama immediately after the 2008 convention.
All things being equal (and unless being presented with numerical evidence to the contrary), I'd imagine we'll see an approximation of that number (within the margin of error is my two dollar bet) in this cycle, regardless of anecdotal allegations of someone saying something vulgar or the irrelevance of what gender they may or may nor be...
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)I'm thinking more than a few of them would have gone "Democrats for Nixon" in that scenario...and then still felt they had the right to accuse Sanders supporters of not showing "party unity".
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)would deflect and vote for Trump if Sanders was the nominee?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... and whether you realize it or not, your cynical theorizing suggests that you have a very low impression of ("more than a few"
Hillary supporters. Sometimes it's difficult for me to tell if you actually believe outrageous things like that, or if you're intentionally being plucky just to annoy and to get a reaction.
I'll try to be optimistic and just assume you're yanking everyone's chain just for the fun of it and to "promote discussion" amongst ourselves.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Lunabell
(7,309 posts)He wants trump to lose and a vote for Clinton is a vote against trump! Anyway, as a life long Democrat, I couldn't see myself voting any other way.
Stuart G
(38,726 posts)maybe 93 percent....Hillary is going to win....
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... of online worlds and discussion forums.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)They're beyond hope and have made it pretty clear that they're never going to support Hillary no matter what. It's good to hear that their numbers are greatly exaggerated, isn't it?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)The louder they get, the more convinced I am that they're taking their last gasps of fresh air before being dragged below the surface.

Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)That other site is just another site. Move on already.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... or ridicule them. Interesting, huh?
All Hillary haters and detractors deserve my contempt. Whether they're stealthy or subtle, or blatant and obvious, there's really no need for me to be polite to them. Of course you're free to be warm and friendly and welcoming to them if you like. Nobody's stopping you. Or maybe you're just "indifferent" toward the Hillary haters, it's difficult to tell where you're coming from or exactly what your feelings are. I'm pretty good at reading people and their intentions and motivations, but sometimes I'm wrong, so it's a hit or miss, but mostly a hit. I guess the only clue you're giving at this point is that it appears that my overt contempt for them seems to truly get under your skin. I find that to be fascinating. I'm not sure what to make of it, but it's definitely a head-scratcher and eyebrow-raiser.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)They really don't matter enough to justify the energy you put into this.
And frankly, it seems like you do this in order to try to provoke people into defending that site or expressing views you disagree with so you can get people thrown off of DU. That's inappropriate and pointless.
It's enough that most Sanders people, due to the progressive platform the Sanders campaign played an equal role in shaping with HRC, are backing the ticket.
Nothing would be better if HRC were running further right and we were back in the 2000 tactic of just trying to browbeat people into backing the Democratic ticket without doing anything to reach out to them. That was dead zone politics and it was never sustainable.
We are doing better in the polls than we were in 2000 BECAUSE the party is more progressive than it was in 2000.
It trivializes the whole thing to refer to people at that site as "Hillary haters". I don't condone their tone or their tactics(or at least those I've seen here, because I don't choose to go to that site), but they aren't driven by personal animus. They are driven(even if they act inappropriately)by sincere concern about the issues.
And it's not about anything getting under my skin. It's about effective verses ineffective politics It simply isn't possible to switch people's support from one candidate to another by berating and flaming them. The way you change minds is through positive argument. We have been MAKING a positive argument and winning over more and more former Sanders people every day. Why do you insist on attack politics towards former Sanders voters who have been holdouts when it's clear that attack politics doesn't work?
Why is it so important to you to campaign negatively?
It simply puzzles me that you are so invested in an ugly approach to politics, and that you are bound and determined to treat former Sanders people who have remained uncommitted as the enemy(as you did throughout the primaries), rather than as people we can reach out to?
Are you ever going to let go of the idea that the Sanders campaign was a conspiracy to destroy the Democratic Party?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I'm not interested in reading your essays. Get to the point. Hurry it up, man. Make it snappy. Zip-zip! Chop-chop! I don't need your life history.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Why do you feel entitled to disrespect me, when I don't ever disrespect you?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)One of the all time great justifications.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)I wasn't saying we shouldn't ever address what ANY other site says or does.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... and a little more consideration? ... a little more patience? ... a little more respect?
Personally, I think a zero-tolerance policy is always best and that all anti-Hillary attacks, lies and smears need to be addressed.
That's exactly what MIRT has been tasked with. Our MIRT team has its guidelines and very specific rules, and they're doing a good job of zapping the obvious ones as well as the slow-game stealthy ones.

Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)It's enough to leave it at that and to assume the problem is taken care of.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Also, even the generic "post removed" placeholders that we do see (inline replies) give us no indication if it was a disruptor, zombie, or outside agitator... or if it was just a regular member who got a little over-heated and emotional.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)That's the kind of phrase segregationists were using in 1963.
We have achieved unity. Please stop pretending their are people seeking to undermine our candidate on this. They're aren't, or at least they're aren't in numbers large enough to make a difference.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Please stop giving the Hillary haters a free pass. Thank you.
Response to NurseJackie (Reply #112)
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NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... no matter how clever you think you were.
Cary
(11,746 posts)Especially when perpetuated by radical leftists.
Radical leftists will drag us down if they can.
zappaman
(20,627 posts)They both make me
for one...
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)You couldn't just be happy that Sanders people are proving that the Sanders campaign was never a conspiracy to destroy the Democratic Party?
You STILL can't let the war end?
Jesus Christ-in-a-Katy Perry-video, give it a rest already.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... is vastly different from what some would have us believe. Namely, based on the folks over at that other site. They're awful over there, aren't they? Hopefully this will put an end to their nonsensical threats and demands. The truth is revealed. Their lies and hyperbole at that other site are exposed.
You can't just be happy that I'm happy without creating some strawman to knock over? Sheesh.
You still can't let the war end? Give it a rest already. Such hypersensitivity. It's almost as if you're LOOKING for something to be offended about. I'm not sure I understand, but, whatever.
Anyway, it's been a while since I've visited over there ... so perhaps you have some better 'intel' that paints a rosier picture. Otherwise, I'm not really sure why anyone is so defensive about those characters at that site.
Take a break from the keyboard, Ken. Grab a cup of coffee. Relax. Chill out. Go for a walk, get some fresh air.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)It feels as though you have this perpetual need to do battle with them. Better just not to go there(I don't).
They are just another place on the web...it's a waste of effort to see them as "the enemy"
as you appear to).
BTW...I spend plenty of time away from the keyboard. You should consider doing the same.
It's not healthy to devote so much of one's time to spreading hostility and snark.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I have no idea where you're trying to take this now, but it's obvious to me that you don't want to stay on track ... for reasons that puzzle me, you're just all over the place. Ugh.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)You know perfectly well I'm fully supporting the Democratic ticket.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)But I think reasonable people will agree that post #56 is my acknowledgement of your habit of trying to change the subject and take things in an entirely different direction. Often it's difficult for me to determine if it's intentional, or if you've taken the wrong turn by accident. Regardless, it always takes things off-track.
Your recent accusation that I'm "making insinuations" and "being offended" is a perfect example of trying to change the subject. I'm smarter than you think I am, Ken.
If you're "personally insulted" every time someone disagrees with you, or is dismissive of your opinions, or is critical of your wordiness... well... I have to wonder why you bother responding to me at all.
I know you better than you think I do. You have quite a history. In the past, you've shown yourself to be much more resilient and aggressive than the delicate flower you're now pretending to be, so I'm not buying this little "poor me" act.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)But I always did so fairly, truthfully, on the merits of the issues, and within forum rules and the bounds of fair play. I opposed your candidate-but you know perfectly well I never acted hatefully towards her. I'm fine with her being the nominee and never had an issue with a woman being president(it was never the issue with the overwhelming majority of Sanders supporters...we wanted the most-progressive candidate, we didn't care about the genitalia of the nominee-why would we?)
I'm fine with you disagreeing with me...I'm not fine with you trying to purge people from this site when they aren't doing anything against site rules. And it's just that I think you shouldn't be obsessing with what happens on another site when that other site doesn't really matter(I've never gone to that site and never intend to).
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)What IS true is that our MIRT volunteers are very busy zapping individuals because of their behavior and goals. If anyone gets zapped, then it's their own fault. Not because I've waved a magic wand and banished them from the kingdom.
This exchange with you just getting silly and repetitive. Your intro paragraph was, uh ... well, I guess "interesting" would be a good way to describe it. It's unclear to me why you feel the need to write such defensive words when I've made no corresponding accusations against you. It's almost as if you're responding to someone else from months gone by, and you're aiming your words at me (by proxy) in an effort to get some sort of closure on long-simmering resentments. It suggests to me that you're the one who's still in primary-mode, not me (as you have accused me on more than one occasion in the past couple of days.)
But, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and admit that I could be wrong. I'm just telling you how it appears to me, and why I have such little patience with you.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)I did my fair share of criticizing Hillary in the primary but I will vote for her. I recognize that you don't always get to choose who gets in the lifeboat, and you want someone who can row. Don't have to love them. I'm hoping she'll grow on me.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Thank you Bernie Sanders
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)In the end, most of the rest will come along, if we just continue making the positive appeals that have won most Sanders people over so far.
LostOne4Ever
(9,737 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Given that they aren't trying to campaign against the ticket on THIS site, there's no reason for you to be wanting a purge.
Why can't you give it a rest and admit the war is over?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I've done no such thing.
That's your imaginative interpretation. But in reality, people's own behavior is what causes MIRT to jump into action.
It has nothing to do with me, my observations, my personal suspicions, or my feelings about the haters. My contempt for the dyed-in-the-wool-never-gonna-change Hillary haters who come here to post their lies and smears is no secret. I've always been open about this.
The haters get themselves banned, right? They have no place here, so I'm sure this is something that we can both agree on, yes?
I've also indicated my confidence in the MIRT team in being able to spot those individuals and their ability to deal with them effectively and promptly.
I don't fully understand your apparent obsession with my attitude toward the haters, infiltrators and disruptors. Why does that bother you so much? I'm puzzled at why it is that you appear to be determined to make it into something other than what it is. You really need to stop, Ken. Just stop.
The liars and haters won't disappear just by pretending they don't exist. Nor will it make them stop their attacks and smears.
Surely you can also agree that MIRT needs to remove that type of poster from this site whenever their intentions are made clear, yes? Maybe this is something else we can find common-ground on.
Their lies and smears need to be addressed. As long as they're trying to disrupt and smear and spread lies, the war will always be ON with those individuals who make themselves known. There will always be a need for our MIRT team.
For anyone to pretend otherwise, is just silly.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Surely no one is still posting on this site that intends to to vote for Stein or not vote at all. That would display a lack of integrity which such people claim to have in abundance. After all they claim that it is their need to be true to themselves and their beliefs which guides their voting behavior. Surely their motto is "Be true to yourself and never will you be false to any other man". No, how could they be on this site pretending that they are supporting Hilary; their integrity would not allow such behavior.
So I am certainly not supporting a "purge". How can you purge people have surely abandoned this site when it moved into general election mode.
On the other hand I see no reason to quit bashing people who have abandoned the Democratic party and the most electable progressive. While I admire their integrity, I have nothing but disdain for their purely emotional response and their lack of ability to reason clearly.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)I'm not a sarcastic person,
but I admit that my integrity is not on par with those of the ideologically pure.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)I love the Ivory soap!
As for you NurseJackie:
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)You could have just ignored it. Or rebutted it. Essentially, your message is the equivalent telling him to "shut up" or letting him know that he's not welcome to participate. You know, for someone like yourself who is so often concerned with feeling snubbed or disrespected, your abrupt reply to CB was indeed an odd one, in my opinion.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Feel free to disagree with my statement if you wish, but please don't try to dismiss me as if I were not part to the conversation. We are having a discussion on a board intended for discussions. Anyone can with DU credentials can jump in at any point they chose without reservations. Surely you already understood that.
Andy823
(11,555 posts)There are still trouble makers, trolls, coming here to stir things up, and some of them come from JPR. If a person is trolling they should be banned. If they are sincere about voting for Hillary, then they "won't" be banned. All the crap about a purge was used by the trolls that infested DU during the primaries. It was simply a tactic to try and gain sympathy and get more people to join the JPR hate fest. I don't give a damn about JPR, but when they come here to disrupt things, then I have a problem and think they should lose their posting privileges. What about you, do you think they should be allowed to come here and cause more problems?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Better than 1 out of every 4 - millions of people - who are the voting for?
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)There's no reason to try to provoke people and stir things up over such a small number. The rest will come around.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)The site you're talking about doesn't matter.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)That's weird. You're free to frame it however you want, but it certainly sounds like giving them a free pass to me.
Looks like we're at an impasse, aren't we?
Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)9% are going to vote for Hillary. They won't like it, but they aren't stupid.
10% are like Nader voters, naive and self absorbed...they know their vote is too precious to waste on either Party. They will vote for Stein or Johnson.
The other 9% are your classic ratfuckers. They were never going to vote for Sanders or Clinton, but they get their jollies off by pretending they were uber lefties that hated HRC. The tip-off was never posting about issues, just recycling RW bullshit. Their mo is the same every election cycle. Predictable as the sun rising in the East very day.
Oh and most of the last 2 groups are frolicking on JPR....the lambs and wolves are playing together.
I guess this is the 3 ways, man.
Andy823
(11,555 posts)Sadly some of those in your last group, the 9%, are still coming here playing their stupid little games. Now they are "concerned" about so many things that "might" go wrong with Clintons campaign, and they still don't discuss issues.
PatrickforO
(15,353 posts)of Clinton vs Trump.
I mean, talk about a no brainer!
Besides, Clinton will be competent, sane and won't throw nukes around irresponsibly. She is actually QUALIFIED for the office. Unlike a certain GOP candidate...
She'll do fine as Madam President!
Try that out...
Madam President.
Sounds good.
LeftRant
(524 posts)You can't please everyone, nor should we try
argyl
(3,064 posts)But I'm voting Hillary now. Just one more vote to bring this state closer to sanity.