2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIs the Etch-a-Sketch gonan be Mittens Macaca?
you can't make this stuff up... is the GOP really trying to throw the election?
Enrique
(27,461 posts)in case anyone was still stupid enough to believe anything Mitt says, his adviser comes out and says, "Don't believe anything my boss says".
denem
(11,045 posts)Mitt Romney: Some Things You Can't Shake Off
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Last edited Wed Mar 21, 2012, 11:54 PM - Edit history (1)
of this man.
denem
(11,045 posts)watching the Democrat's Rapid Response channel.
I don't read too much into comments until they get to four figures. But that's just me. Show me the numbers
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Mr.Turnip
(645 posts)I don't think theirs been a group as goddamn obnoxious about politics as the Paulcult in quite some time.
I go to any slightly political article or video on the internet and there they are yelling about voter fraud, the media or some crazy conspiracy theory. When this cycle started I actually disliked Ron Paul less simply for seeming to be principled (of course with what we know about him and Romney that's dead now) but dear god his supporters have made me dislike him as much as all the others now.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)Adios, Mittsky.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)And what he said about Vietnam was a) the truth b) five years ahead of any other Republican.
denem
(11,045 posts)what went wrong with Mitt? A lifetime's fear of failing his father's (now heavenly) expectations, or something more mundane like borderline Aspergers.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)the accepted establishment with their unorthodox belief system. In Mitt's case his father was on his way to a Republican nomination and a very good chance to become President. As a young adult he saw it all come crashing down on a single word. On top of that I think that Romney is missing the 'courage' gene. All of his decisions, where to go on a mission, to stay out of the war, to go into investment business, to use leaverage and overwhelming capital as the primary tool of exploitation, using the same type of leverage in launching a political campaign, are the 'safest' possible path. At no time has he ever taken a courageous stand for anything.
Here is my worry, put aside all of the policy differences.
If I am right about Mitt Romney that means that if he were to become President his natural inclination is to use over power force to overwhelm and destroy an enemy rather than to engage and find a creative solution. Very quickly into his administration he would find an occassion to use military power in the same way he has used money to leverage economic combat.
denem
(11,045 posts)may be awfully risky and could discredit the administration beyond repair.
I know he routinely ignores informed advice, but if you and others have pin pointed cowardice as his weakest link, there should be insiders who would have a fair idea of the levers to pull to scare him off. Or, do you think, as a last resort, a call from Monson would make a difference? 'We've got our temples going up all around the world Mitt. I must say to you, The Church would not welcome this sort of attention.' Remember, Mormons must be good neighbors, and you know that burden extends to every nation on earth.
Note: My natural inclination is to play defense attorney, with a sometimes groundless optimism of winning the case.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)denem
(11,045 posts)deliver us from evil. Amen.
hayrow1
(198 posts)Someone just pulled a loose thread on the Mittens and he is discombobulating.
MADem
(135,425 posts)We cannot be complacent, though. We have to go after this win like we're crawling over broken glass for every vote--really.
denem
(11,045 posts)If the Presidential race looks settled, the time will come to fully fund the House and Senate campaigns. I suspect GOP SuperPacs will be targeting every winnable seat. Think big, think 1984. That election changed the game for 24 years.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)We need to win back some of the Governor's offices as well. New Hampshire, Virginia, Ohio, Michigan, Florida would be a good start.
denem
(11,045 posts)The electorate has gone feral waiting to rip ribs out of Kasich.
sofa king
(10,857 posts)Since the Presidential race looks to be in the bag, I fully expect the President to shape his own campaign around growing his coattails. He'll visit every state with a Senate election, and stump for the local Democratic candidates at every stop he makes. He's the only voice of reason in this election so far, so I suspect his influence will be very powerful.
I've been arguing for the past year that the President has been busy building an overwhelming base of support to ensure that this election is not close enough to steal. That swell of anger, support, and motivation is sure to have an effect on the Congressional elections as well, especially if we can get voters on board with the idea of voting straight-D from now until there's not a single cuspidor left on the floor of the House.
I can't help wondering if the GOP SuperPacs and their backers are already screwed. They've already blown so much money just trying to force-feed their picked guy to an indifferent conservative electorate that I wonder how long it will be before big-money donors begin to realize that not only is their money failing to buy an alternate reality where Americans are not poor and pissed off, it has the potential to totally ruin them should they completely fail.
Should Congress shift entirely to the Democrats, Republican donors and the industries they represent will have absolutely no grease in DC when it comes time to rewrite regulations and tax laws. And then they will pay, all right, considerably more than they've already lost on this election.
A defeat like that could make political donations by corporations and the fabulously rich a major liability in the future--and you know what that means for the Republicans. Big money is the only thing keeping them in the game.
If word gets out that Republicans are a bad investment they are through, maybe forever, certainly for the better part of a decade or more.
Edit: Tildewave! ~~~~~oOOo~~~~~~
Redneck Democrat
(58 posts)But it will be like the video of John Kerry surfboarding back & forth in that ad from '04.
DFW
(54,436 posts)And you can always fire your campaign manager for being an idiot. McCain couldn't fire himself for picking Palin, because he signed off on it. Romney can always say he never approved the Etch-a-sketch line.
Rachel Maddow's segment on this was beyond brilliant, if it's still up for viewing. Her IQ must be in 4 digits.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,437 posts)Talk about "telegraphing your punches"! I don't know how this might play among moderates or independents but I would think that this could hurt him a lot with the "base", though it's becoming clearer that all the "base" can do about the nomination is just make some noise and try to influence the VP pick at this point. There does not seem to be a realistic possibility of the nomination going to Santorum or anybody else than Mitt.