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Sen. Kerry for Sec.Defense, Susan Rice for Sec. of State? (Original Post) babylonsister Nov 2012 OP
I adore them both Coexist Nov 2012 #1
Kerry's seat isn't safe in a special election with Scott Brown waiting to grab it Marsala Nov 2012 #2
This might be more important. He'd be brilliant as the Sec. of Defense. babylonsister Nov 2012 #4
Take Kerry out of the senate and you're asking for.... JeffHead Nov 2012 #3
Kerry deserves to have his talents utilized in better ways. nt babylonsister Nov 2012 #6
Maybe So JeffHead Nov 2012 #9
Democrats need to keep that seat. kaiserhog Nov 2012 #5
Kerry would be a bad idea to leave the Senate Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #7
And they said rumors of John O. Brennan to be head of C.I.A. Tx4obama Nov 2012 #8
I know he worked with Bush. But he's appeared to be close to Pres Obama Thrill Nov 2012 #11
If Kerry leaves. Scott Brown will be back in the Senate Thrill Nov 2012 #10
If Kerry leaves the Senate then the DEMOCRATIC Governor of MA will appoint a new Senator. Tx4obama Nov 2012 #12
Special Election WallaceRitchie Nov 2012 #18
I was just going by what they said on TV a couple of days ago. I guess they got it wrong. Tx4obama Nov 2012 #21
There will be a special election and we know how well that went the last time WI_DEM Nov 2012 #33
Why do people assume that? democrattotheend Nov 2012 #28
Yes Thrill Nov 2012 #30
Consider the fact that we had our strongest candidate against him this year with Obama at head of WI_DEM Nov 2012 #34
For fucks sake Cosmocat Nov 2012 #43
I'm not down with Mass. politics..Why is Brown a shoe in? Ztolkins Nov 2012 #13
Elizabeth Warren handily beat Brown. Others can do it too. tarheelsunc Nov 2012 #14
Warren was our strongest candidate and he still got 47% in a presidential year when turnout is high WI_DEM Nov 2012 #37
Brown is well liked (no clue why) and will win a special election. Gargoyle22 Nov 2012 #42
Name on candidate there Thrill Nov 2012 #46
Deval Patrick, Mike Capuano, Rachel Maddow tarheelsunc Nov 2012 #49
I don't think we can afford cilla4progress Nov 2012 #15
Sorry Kerry but we can't afford to lose Senate seats budkin Nov 2012 #16
On John2 Nov 2012 #17
Why Kerry? Fawke Em Nov 2012 #19
You mean Massachusetts.. :) Cha Nov 2012 #39
Obama! Take no senators! progressiveforever Nov 2012 #20
Any Kennedy's in the bullpen for the seat? JCMach1 Nov 2012 #22
Why do you automatically assume a Kennedy will win? WI_DEM Nov 2012 #35
You really don't know how much weight that name carries here. Arkana Nov 2012 #44
That was who I was thinking of... I would really hate the seat JCMach1 Nov 2012 #45
Personally, I think he is more suited for SOS. wisteria Nov 2012 #23
thanks for saying what I wanted to say, but didn't feel like getting flamed. Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2012 #24
I really don't know anything about her. EmilyAnne Nov 2012 #36
It's more of an intangible. She's way too serious and strikes me more as a very learned and Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2012 #50
what about Jim Webb for something? Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2012 #25
I think he should be considered for SoDef fujiyama Nov 2012 #27
Huntsman Sgent Nov 2012 #40
agree. hey, how about Wesley Clark? Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2012 #51
good choice NewJeffCT Nov 2012 #55
Scott Brown will take Kerry's seat. I hope JFK stays where he is.* Gargoyle22 Nov 2012 #26
Governor Patrick at the White House for dinner LadyBirdJohnson Nov 2012 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Nov 2012 #31
We need all the Senators we have and Kerry should remain in the Senate WI_DEM Nov 2012 #32
"Reshuffle" Pic of Prez, Big Dog, And Susan Rice.. Cha Nov 2012 #38
I sure hope Susan Rice gets the SOS job Hutzpa Nov 2012 #47
Don't take away Democratic senators forest4qt Nov 2012 #41
While thats true. Kerry appears to be ready to do something else Thrill Nov 2012 #53
General Colin Powell? for one of those open national security positions. Sunlei Nov 2012 #48
Powell credibility was tarnished Hutzpa Nov 2012 #52
Powell is still the most popular political figure out there NewJeffCT Nov 2012 #54
Powell was loyal to the admin and did his duty as a General. He wrote a lot about those years. Sunlei Nov 2012 #56
Oh I'm not denying that Hutzpa Nov 2012 #57

Marsala

(2,090 posts)
2. Kerry's seat isn't safe in a special election with Scott Brown waiting to grab it
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:05 PM
Nov 2012

I suspect that he'd be 1st choice for a Cabinet post if it wasn't for that.

babylonsister

(171,082 posts)
4. This might be more important. He'd be brilliant as the Sec. of Defense.
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:07 PM
Nov 2012

He's not a warmonger, for starters, and he's very well versed in foreign policy.

JeffHead

(1,186 posts)
3. Take Kerry out of the senate and you're asking for....
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:07 PM
Nov 2012

Scott friggin Brown to weasel his way back in. Kerry's good where he's at.

JeffHead

(1,186 posts)
9. Maybe So
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:14 PM
Nov 2012

But maybe I look at this as a turf war. You gotta keep what you got. Just don't want to leave the seat vulnerable that's all.

 

Anthony McCarthy

(507 posts)
7. Kerry would be a bad idea to leave the Senate
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:09 PM
Nov 2012

Not unless they've got a sure replacement with a D after their name. I've heard rumors that Coakley would try again, which would ensure that Brown would take it again.

If they could ensure that it could go to a good Democrat it would be OK.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
8. And they said rumors of John O. Brennan to be head of C.I.A.
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:14 PM
Nov 2012

I do not think that will happen.

He worked for Bush. See the details on the right side of the page on the link below.

=========


John O. Brennan (born September 22, 1955) is chief counterterrorism advisor to U.S. President Barack Obama; officially his title is Deputy National Security Advisor for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism, and Assistant to the President.[1][2][3] His responsibilities include overseeing plans to protect the country from terrorism and respond to natural disasters, and he meets with the President daily.[4][5] Previously, he advised Obama on foreign policy and intelligence issues during the 2008 presidential campaign and transition.[6] Brennan withdrew his name from consideration for Director of the CIA in the new Obama administration over concerns about his support for the use of "enhanced interrogation" techniques by the CIA under President George W. Bush.[2][4] Instead, Brennan was appointed Deputy National Security Advisor, a position which did not require Senate confirmation.[2][4][7]

After leaving government service in 2005, Brennan became CEO of The Analysis Corporation, a security consulting business, and served as chairman of the Intelligence and National Security Alliance, an association of intelligence professionals.[8] Brennan's 25 years with the CIA included work as a Near East and South Asia analyst, as station chief in Saudi Arabia, and as director of the National Counterterrorism Center.[2][4][9]

-snip-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_O._Brennan


Thrill

(19,178 posts)
10. If Kerry leaves. Scott Brown will be back in the Senate
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:16 PM
Nov 2012

But I get the feeling Kerry wants to be Sec of State

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
12. If Kerry leaves the Senate then the DEMOCRATIC Governor of MA will appoint a new Senator.
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:26 PM
Nov 2012

You can bet that the appointee will NOT be Republican Scott Brown.

Gov Deval Patrick can actually appoint himself if he want to.



WallaceRitchie

(242 posts)
18. Special Election
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:50 PM
Nov 2012

Patrick would appoint an interim but then a Special Election would take place "no fewer than 145 days, nor more than 160 days from the date of office vacancy". Brown would be eligible to run for this office, and would likely win.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
33. There will be a special election and we know how well that went the last time
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:31 AM
Nov 2012

for democrats (I'm talking about special elections). Brown has a lot of supporters in MA who will vote for him. He still managed to get 47% against a very strong candidate this time.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
28. Why do people assume that?
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:37 AM
Nov 2012

Are you telling me that there are no good Democrats in a heavily Democratic state who could beat him? Out of 10 Congresspeople and a Democratic governor and Lieutenant Governor, you are saying none of them could beat Scott Brown, who couldn't win reelection as an incumbent? I find that hard to believe.

If Kerry were from a red or even purple state, this would be a reason not to pick him, but I can't believe we couldn't hold a seat in Massachusetts. The only reason we didn't in 2010 is because nobody saw it coming until too late, the candidate barely campaigned until the end, and the national mood was against Democrats at that time. None of those factors would be present this time around.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
34. Consider the fact that we had our strongest candidate against him this year with Obama at head of
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:33 AM
Nov 2012

the ticket and he still got 47%. It is possible had Obama not been running and received 61% that the result could have been closer. It's about time we stop taking our people out of the senate when we need them there.

Cosmocat

(14,572 posts)
43. For fucks sake
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:00 AM
Nov 2012

spot on.

I think Kerry would be GREAT at the job.

No denying that.

But, there HAS to be other good, viable options to fill these spots.

You are dead right that Brown would win.

Name recognition is HUGE in politics.

While he made an arse of himself, you are right he drew 47% of the vote, and he just had a year and a half campaign leading into a special election.

They might as well just appoint him and get it over with if they put Kerry into SOD or SOS.

Ztolkins

(429 posts)
13. I'm not down with Mass. politics..Why is Brown a shoe in?
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:31 PM
Nov 2012

He just got beat decisively. Why would the vote for him now?

tarheelsunc

(2,117 posts)
14. Elizabeth Warren handily beat Brown. Others can do it too.
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:33 PM
Nov 2012

Scott Brown now has the stigma of being a loser around him, because he is one. Massachusetts knows who he is and see past the "independent" claims. (If he is going to call himself an independent, why doesn't he run as one?)

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
37. Warren was our strongest candidate and he still got 47% in a presidential year when turnout is high
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:39 AM
Nov 2012

President Obama got 61% and had coattails to help her to victory. He won't be there to help next time. I'd say that if Kerry retired and there is a special election and Brown were the GOP nominee that the outcome would be in doubt. I think there is a 50-50 chance that Brown would win. He would still have an active organization for one thing and a big ability to organize and raise money quickly.

Gargoyle22

(69 posts)
42. Brown is well liked (no clue why) and will win a special election.
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:29 AM
Nov 2012

I do not want to be stuck with this arrogant jackass as my senator for the next ten years.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
17. On
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:49 PM
Nov 2012

Susan Rice, I think she should face her accusers in open session, especially Senator Graham of South Carolina. The only thing she did was follow what the CIA told her. Senator Graham act like this is a major offense. I'm looking forward to her defending her honor against his accusations. I wish it was me confronting him in front of the whole nation.

Cha

(297,606 posts)
39. You mean Massachusetts.. :)
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:54 AM
Nov 2012

romney showed his ass in Mass and they wouldn't have elected him for a 2nd term. Brown showed his ass too when he ran against Elizabeth and LOST.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
35. Why do you automatically assume a Kennedy will win?
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:34 AM
Nov 2012

the younger generation isn't the same as JFK, Bobby and Teddy.

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
44. You really don't know how much weight that name carries here.
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:24 AM
Nov 2012

Joe Kennedy III got elected in a landslide in Barney Frank's old district, and this state would gladly elect another Kennedy to a Senate seat.

 

wisteria

(19,581 posts)
23. Personally, I think he is more suited for SOS.
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:04 PM
Nov 2012

And, why Rice? I haven't been impressed with her at all. I think we need someone tough in that postion right now.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
50. It's more of an intangible. She's way too serious and strikes me more as a very learned and
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:51 PM
Nov 2012

accomplished person lacking social and political savvy. This is just my opinion. Plus, she's kind of a lightning rod at this point because it was because of her statements (however technically true) that the right went ballistic over. Personally, I don't think she should have brought up anything about the cause of Benghazi attack since our side promoted the "Be calm, wait for all the facts" point of view (opposite of Romney's rashness). Maybe she was told to, I don't know...it just lack savvy to me. And, we surely don't need confirmation hearings where Beghazi's rehashed....hearings will be bad enough. It was a supremely unfortunate tragedy.

fujiyama

(15,185 posts)
27. I think he should be considered for SoDef
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:13 AM
Nov 2012

I think there are some moderate republicans worth considering for SoSt or SoDef as well - maybe Lugar or Hagel. I think Lugar has a decent working relationship with Obama that too.

I like Kerry for one of these positions, but I don't think Obama should pick any sitting Dem. Senators. I seriously doubt he would do that. He knows how vital it is to keep those seats where they are.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
40. Huntsman
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:14 AM
Nov 2012

has also been mentioned for SecState -- given his Ambassadorship to China its not a bad pick other than the fact he's a republican (though a moderate one).

LadyBirdJohnson

(17 posts)
29. Governor Patrick at the White House for dinner
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:59 AM
Nov 2012

Maybe that is why President Obama invited Governor Patrick to dinner. What if...... Senator Kerry leaves his Senate seat who will take it

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Cha

(297,606 posts)
38. "Reshuffle" Pic of Prez, Big Dog, And Susan Rice..
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:50 AM
Nov 2012


Washington Post: President Obama is considering asking Sen. John F. Kerry to serve as his next defense secretary, part of an extensive rearrangement of his national security team that will include a permanent replacement for former CIA director David H. Petraeus.

Although Kerry is thought to covet the job of secretary of state, senior administration officials familiar with the transition planning said that nomination will almost certainly go to Susan E. Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations.

John O. Brennan, Obama’s chief counterterrorism adviser, is a leading contender for the CIA job if he wants it, officials said. If Brennan goes ahead with his plan to leave government, Michael J. Morell, the agency’s acting director, is the prohibitive favorite to take over permanently. Officials cautioned that the White House discussions are still in the early stages and that no decisions have been made….


http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-considers-john-kerry-for-job-of-defense-secretary/2012/11/12/8a0e973a-2d02-11e2-a99d-5c4203af7b7a_story.html

h/t http://theobamadiary.com/2012/11/12/reshuffle-2/#comments

Still speculation but I think I would like to see Senator Kerry as SOD.. Especially, if there were a Dem with an Excellent chance to win the Senate Seat he would leave vacant

Wondering how these new necessary appointments would get past the Plutocratic House, though?

Hutzpa

(11,461 posts)
47. I sure hope Susan Rice gets the SOS job
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:09 AM
Nov 2012

Last edited Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:23 PM - Edit history (1)

she has earned it, imo she should have gotten it the first time if Hillary had turn it down, she is of the same mold as Hillary and I believe will do a smashing job too. There is another person I hope the president can consider; Stephanie Powers. She needs to be considered as well maybe as under secretary of state or head of some department, another tenacious undeterred individual.

Speaking of the perfect guy for the job, John Brennan I think will be a perfect match, he is intense, awkward, intelligent and extremely savvy, the perfect mix for the CIA job imo.




FORWARD!

forest4qt

(25 posts)
41. Don't take away Democratic senators
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:32 AM
Nov 2012

We will need every Dem in senate to fought off Republican obstructionists.

Thrill

(19,178 posts)
53. While thats true. Kerry appears to be ready to do something else
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:02 PM
Nov 2012

He apparently wanted to be the SOS in 08

Hutzpa

(11,461 posts)
52. Powell credibility was tarnished
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:55 PM
Nov 2012

during Bush's years, it's unfortunate, but true. Not sure if it will matter this time though, without his record of helping to take us to war, he would have been a very good choice.

NewJeffCT

(56,829 posts)
54. Powell is still the most popular political figure out there
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:03 PM
Nov 2012

Not a fan of his, but I'm pretty sure that's still true like it was in 2008.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
56. Powell was loyal to the admin and did his duty as a General. He wrote a lot about those years.
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:50 PM
Nov 2012

Powell is someone Obama speaks with on a regular basis, I think they would work well together.

Hutzpa

(11,461 posts)
57. Oh I'm not denying that
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:32 PM
Nov 2012

It will be wonderful to have him on board if they can overcome his past mistakes which some might find questionable.

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