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stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 09:20 PM Oct 2016

In case you hear about the silly #basementdwellers meme, it is debunked. Here is the proof

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/01/did-hillary-insult-sanderistas-as-basement-dwellers-no-just-the-opposite.html

Did Hillary Insult Sanderistas as 'Basement Dwellers'? No—Just the Opposite
MICHAEL TOMASKY

10.01.16 6:25 PM ET
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Some are new to politics completely. They’re children of the Great Recession. And they are living in their parents’ basement. They feel they got their education and the jobs that are available to them are not at all what they envisioned for themselves. And they don’t see much of a future. I met with a group of young black millennials today and you know one of the young women said, “You know, none of us feel that we have the job that we should have gotten out of college. And we don’t believe the job market is going to give us much of a chance.” So that is a mindset that is really affecting their politics. And so if you’re feeling like you’re consigned to, you know, being a barista, or you know, some other job that doesn’t pay a lot, and doesn’t have some other ladder of opportunity attached to it, then the idea that maybe, just maybe, you could be part of a political revolution is pretty appealing. So I think we should all be really understanding of that and should try to do the best we can not to be, you know, a wet blanket on idealism. We want people to be idealistic. We want them to set big goals. But to take what we can achieve now and try to present them as bigger goals."


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Now, the second and “offending” graf. How in the world these words can offend anyone is just absurd. Okay, baristas. But I’m sure even most baristas have higher aspirations in life. But the main thing is that when she says “they are living in their parents’ basement,” she’s obviously not making fun of them. She’s just describing them. Indeed, she is explaining to these rich people in one of America’s richest towns, hey, take a minute to understand where these folks are coming from. And she’s doing so the week after Sanders throttled her in New Hampshire—a point in time when, if anything, she’d have been prone to lash out at them.
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Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
2. When it comes to t-rump the corporate media bend backwards to sell him which is the total opposite
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 09:36 PM
Oct 2016

of the way they treat HRC. Eff them and t-rump.

betsuni

(25,486 posts)
4. I heard we should also be concerned about sitting on things that cause hacking and leaking.
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 09:45 PM
Oct 2016

I'm not sure, it is confusing.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
9. Thank you!
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 10:33 PM
Oct 2016

I wish more people would focus on the fact that someone hacked one of HRC's staffers email and then leaked the contents to various right-wing news outlets.

That is what should be the story here.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
8. On that we agree. But there is no evidence for what "the public" thinks
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 10:30 PM
Oct 2016

Everyone I see posting about this on Twitter has a tweet history supporting trump or saying they will never support Hillary.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
15. The only 'public' who will care about these sympathetic remarks
Sun Oct 2, 2016, 11:29 AM
Oct 2016

are Hillary haters and Trump supporters...we were never getting their votes anyway. But thanks for the doom and gloom post...it is a great day today...Trump is bleeding by 1000 self-inflicted wounds.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
10. But the fact remains that an HRC staffer's email was hacked
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 10:34 PM
Oct 2016

And the contents were leaked to RW websites.

This should be the story.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
16. It trended top 10 on Twitter yesterday morning before the Trump Tax Scandal hit.
Sun Oct 2, 2016, 11:42 AM
Oct 2016

People were talking about it because of an audio leak and a few articles.

It seems to be gone now.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
13. I doubt this
Sun Oct 2, 2016, 02:27 AM
Oct 2016

will negatively affect her support, if at all. Unsurprisingly, the Trumpanzees on FB and elsewhere have ran with this on some pro-HC pages. The former Sanders supporters who already hate her will be outraged, but the ones who are already on board with her are smart enough to see that her quote was taken out of context.

athena

(4,187 posts)
14. Thank you for posting the entire quote.
Sun Oct 2, 2016, 08:00 AM
Oct 2016

Everything else I've seen had snippets. The full quote shows a great deal of empathy and respect.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
17. On Oct 1 I wrote to Snopes asking them to address this. On Oct 2 they came out with this
Mon Oct 3, 2016, 05:33 AM
Oct 2016
http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clintons-basement-dwellers/

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However, Clinton never used the phrase "basement dwellers." Rather, she expressed sympathy with young college-educated voters who had little choice but to remain at home due to being unable to find self-supporting jobs in the current market and had grown cynical of a system they felt had failed them:

Some are new to politics completely. They’re children of the Great Recession. And they are living in their parents’ basement. They feel they got their education and the jobs that are available to them are not at all what they envisioned for themselves. And they don’t see much of a future. I met with a group of young black millennials today and you know one of the young women said, “You know, none of us feel that we have the job that we should have gotten out of college. And we don’t believe the job market is going to give us much of a chance.” So that is a mindset that is really affecting their politics. And so if you’re feeling like you’re consigned to, you know, being a barista, or you know, some other job that doesn’t pay a lot, and doesn’t have some other ladder of opportunity attached to it, then the idea that maybe, just maybe, you could be part of a political revolution is pretty appealing. So I think we should all be really understanding of that and should try to do the best we can not to be, you know, a wet blanket on idealism. We want people to be idealistic. We want them to set big goals. But to take what we can achieve now and try to present them as bigger goals.
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I don't know if my email prompted them to do this or if it was one of many requests but at least they weighed in.
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