2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIn case you hear about the silly #basementdwellers meme, it is debunked. Here is the proof
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/01/did-hillary-insult-sanderistas-as-basement-dwellers-no-just-the-opposite.htmlDid Hillary Insult Sanderistas as 'Basement Dwellers'? NoJust the Opposite
MICHAEL TOMASKY
10.01.16 6:25 PM ET
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Some are new to politics completely. Theyre children of the Great Recession. And they are living in their parents basement. They feel they got their education and the jobs that are available to them are not at all what they envisioned for themselves. And they dont see much of a future. I met with a group of young black millennials today and you know one of the young women said, You know, none of us feel that we have the job that we should have gotten out of college. And we dont believe the job market is going to give us much of a chance. So that is a mindset that is really affecting their politics. And so if youre feeling like youre consigned to, you know, being a barista, or you know, some other job that doesnt pay a lot, and doesnt have some other ladder of opportunity attached to it, then the idea that maybe, just maybe, you could be part of a political revolution is pretty appealing. So I think we should all be really understanding of that and should try to do the best we can not to be, you know, a wet blanket on idealism. We want people to be idealistic. We want them to set big goals. But to take what we can achieve now and try to present them as bigger goals."
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Now, the second and offending graf. How in the world these words can offend anyone is just absurd. Okay, baristas. But Im sure even most baristas have higher aspirations in life. But the main thing is that when she says they are living in their parents basement, shes obviously not making fun of them. Shes just describing them. Indeed, she is explaining to these rich people in one of Americas richest towns, hey, take a minute to understand where these folks are coming from. And shes doing so the week after Sanders throttled her in New Hampshirea point in time when, if anything, shed have been prone to lash out at them.
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liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)of the way they treat HRC. Eff them and t-rump.
sheshe2
(83,751 posts)betsuni
(25,486 posts)I'm not sure, it is confusing.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I wish more people would focus on the fact that someone hacked one of HRC's staffers email and then leaked the contents to various right-wing news outlets.
That is what should be the story here.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)they want to bash Hillary with the quote taken out of context:
http://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/hillary-mocks-sanders-supporters-in-leaked-fundraising-recording/
Blue Idaho
(5,049 posts)I'll take your word for it.
betsuni
(25,486 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Everyone I see posting about this on Twitter has a tweet history supporting trump or saying they will never support Hillary.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)are Hillary haters and Trump supporters...we were never getting their votes anyway. But thanks for the doom and gloom post...it is a great day today...Trump is bleeding by 1000 self-inflicted wounds.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)And the contents were leaked to RW websites.
This should be the story.
TheBlackAdder
(28,189 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)People were talking about it because of an audio leak and a few articles.
It seems to be gone now.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)will negatively affect her support, if at all. Unsurprisingly, the Trumpanzees on FB and elsewhere have ran with this on some pro-HC pages. The former Sanders supporters who already hate her will be outraged, but the ones who are already on board with her are smart enough to see that her quote was taken out of context.
athena
(4,187 posts)Everything else I've seen had snippets. The full quote shows a great deal of empathy and respect.
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However, Clinton never used the phrase "basement dwellers." Rather, she expressed sympathy with young college-educated voters who had little choice but to remain at home due to being unable to find self-supporting jobs in the current market and had grown cynical of a system they felt had failed them:
Some are new to politics completely. Theyre children of the Great Recession. And they are living in their parents basement. They feel they got their education and the jobs that are available to them are not at all what they envisioned for themselves. And they dont see much of a future. I met with a group of young black millennials today and you know one of the young women said, You know, none of us feel that we have the job that we should have gotten out of college. And we dont believe the job market is going to give us much of a chance. So that is a mindset that is really affecting their politics. And so if youre feeling like youre consigned to, you know, being a barista, or you know, some other job that doesnt pay a lot, and doesnt have some other ladder of opportunity attached to it, then the idea that maybe, just maybe, you could be part of a political revolution is pretty appealing. So I think we should all be really understanding of that and should try to do the best we can not to be, you know, a wet blanket on idealism. We want people to be idealistic. We want them to set big goals. But to take what we can achieve now and try to present them as bigger goals.
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I don't know if my email prompted them to do this or if it was one of many requests but at least they weighed in.