2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumPence: Condoms are "too modern and too liberal"
Ahead of this week's vice presidential debates, I was researching Pence's stances on various issues and found this:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2016/08/mike-pence-condoms-are-too-modern/?ref_widget=popular&ref_blog=dispatches&ref_post=kellyanne-conway-and-the-art-of-double-speak
"Donald Trumps running mate is a dangerous Christian extremist who wants creationism taught in public schools and believes the government should pay for gay conversion therapy.
In addition, in 2015, as Governor of Indiana, Pence allowed an HIV outbreak to spread, choosing prayer over a clean needle exchange.
But perhaps one of the most idiotic claims made by Pence is that condoms are too modern, too liberal, and offer a poor defense against sexually transmitted infections and diseases.
Pences bizarre and unsubstantiated claims concerning condoms came in 2002, in response to then-Secretary of State Colin Powell saying in an MTV forum that sexually active young people should protect themselves with condoms." (more at link)
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)shenmue
(38,506 posts)saltpoint
(50,986 posts)Medieval mindset.
He's bad news from the word 'go.'
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,699 posts)This Fool sure supplies us with them.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,038 posts)He has given that 1st-2nd-3rd list in that order more than once.
wishstar
(5,271 posts)Although brought up Catholic, I was shocked to discover from a neighbor friend who attends a Presbyterian Church of America nearby that modern conservative Protestants such as PCA not only do not allow women to be ministers or elders but they do not believe women should have control of their reproduction and that men should not be encouraged or expected to use condoms either. Rather, they teach that women should submit to will of their husbands in such matters.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,038 posts)You know, the one with the stable marriage to Ivana. The guy who pays his share of taxes, who has never seen a "sex tape", who doesn't sell wine and vodka, the one who went to West Point and served in Vietnam. tRump who is so respectful of women, minorities, and those less advantaged than himself.
Oh.
napi21
(45,806 posts)I must admit, even though I was raised Catholic and completed 12 years of school there, I thought it was pretty weird that they were teaching all these young girls that they had to ALWAYS submit to their husband's wishes.
I'm old now, and teaching stuff like that is ridiculous. I'm glad most people don't subscribe to it.
MyOwnPeace
(16,937 posts)Hell's Bells - we've got people running for offices (school boards, congressmen both state & federal, senators, both state and federal) who campaign insisting it be taught in schools!!!!
And, SO sad to say, some of them get elected!!!!
napi21
(45,806 posts)51 years. We both try to do whatever pleases the other, but SUBJET TO...NEVER! If either of us had believed the other was "their subject" I doubt our marriage would have made it to ONE year!
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,038 posts)wishstar
(5,271 posts)He seems so mild mannered and blandly genial that he has fooled quite a few who aren't paying attention
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,437 posts)Who thinks that a Trump Presidency wouldn't be a big deal because even a Republican Congress would eventually throw him out (ha ha), they obviously haven't considered that a Pence Presidency would NOT be any kind of improvement.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,361 posts)Boswell used an animal gut condom in his liaisons with prostitutes, but not consistently enough to avoid 19 or more attacks of gonorrhea. He mentions condoms fairly frequently, however, usually referring to them as "machines" or as "armour". For example, one diary entry from Boswell reads:
"Tuesday 10 May 1763
At the bottom of the Haymarket I picked up a strong, jolly young damsel, and taking her under the arm I conducted her to Westminster Bridge, and then in armour complete did I engage her upon this noble edifice. The whim of doing it there with the Thames rolling below us amused me much."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jun/13/james-boswell-history-gonorrhoea
pansypoo53219
(20,995 posts)HenryJ
(42 posts)riversedge
(70,299 posts)Stuart G
(38,445 posts)Condoms too new?
For a few.
for a screw?
For you?
Mr. Pence..
You have no brain
You are insane
Please go home
And stay away
For Today...
Drump and You
Are completely gone
So..go away,
and, never come another day...
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesnt always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one youre already in.[/center][/font][hr]
ck4829
(35,091 posts)What else is too modern and liberal, Half-Pence? Antibiotics? Clean drinking water? ZMapp?
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)That is all.
treestar
(82,383 posts)they used it to try to scare people into living their type of sex life.
It was kind of like 911 for the warmongers.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)AIDS, teen pregnancy and STDs will be the new 'heroin epidemic' That is, such will start affecting the kids of rich white people and the rich white people themselves. It then will become a national issue because it finally 'just started ' hurting the upper class.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)Whereas with Trump, it's already become kind of boring to see what new way he will humiliate himself.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesnt always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one youre already in.[/center][/font][hr]
womanofthehills
(8,762 posts)When it came to crediting and respecting 9/11 first responders, Mike Pence was all talk, no action. Voters cant trust him or Donald Trump to put their health and safety first.n July and September of 2010, Pence voted at least twice against the James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act, which sought to cover the cost of medical care for rescue workers and others who became sick from toxic fumes, dust and smoke after the 2001 attack on the World Trade Center.
When it came to crediting and respecting 9/11 first responders, Mike Pence was all talk, no action. Voters cant trust him or Donald Trump to put their health and safety first.
https://americanbridgepac.org/pence-twice-voted-against-911-first-responders-health-care-bill/
This from Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_condoms
They date back to antiquity.
These clowns want to plunge the US back to the 17th century.
3catwoman3
(24,045 posts)Has he never had sex for any other reason than procreating?
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesnt always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one youre already in.[/center][/font][hr]
rurallib
(62,448 posts)they are not of much value unless deployed properly
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)He is a quiet, under the radar far right wing crazy that will become president if / when Trump steps down. If you think Trump would be bad for this country, we would be under Christian laws, to quote Trump, so fast it will make your head spin. Bush, Reagan, et al are minor league compared to Pence.
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)I was thinking about the double bind that folks face.
Rudy is telling us that everybody commits infidelity (and I presume that those same urges apply to those who are not in a marriage).
Pence doesn't want condoms. Calls for abstinence?
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)tend to be the worst offenders.
Missn-Hitch
(1,383 posts)The Orange Menace just seems a few rants away from a heart attack or stroke. In steps President Pence. Frightening. But, I can't imagine the same country that voted for Obama twice is going to do a COMPLETE 180 and elect these buffoons.
The other side will keep being the "stupid party". Bobby Jindal warned them. Their denial is to our benefit. Hell, I bet Ted Nugent becomes their torch bearer with Duck Dynasty filling in the cabinet.
Buns_of_Fire
(17,195 posts)Missn-Hitch
(1,383 posts)Make America Great initiative. Indiana is doing GREAT.
Nightmares.
Cheers.
Hekate
(90,793 posts)colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)I have no problem with folks being religious personally, the problem is them trying to enforce their creepy Dark Age beliefs on the rest of us. Like Pence or any number of Evangelical types. They are nuts.
I do have a big problem with them brainwashing children like the delusional creation park in Kentucky. Newsflash the earth and the universe are billions of years old not 5-6,000 and that is lead solid provable. Teaching creationism, even as an option, in schools is unconscionable.
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)with a crowd where condoms seem like a really really good idea.
MyOwnPeace
(16,937 posts)ailsagirl
(22,899 posts)Condoms are "too modern and too liberal" ???
Should be interesting
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)radius777
(3,635 posts)unlike the rightwing fundie Pence, who is living in the middle ages.
At the debate I think Kaine will go at Pence (and Trump) harder than most expect. They have avoided confrontation with Kaine (imo) because he is a moderate from an important swing state (VA) and adjacent swing state (NC) that they must win to have any chance of winning the presidency.
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)disavowing Trump. Lots of targets of opportunity.
Iraq - Pence still thinks it was a good idea. That is was not is a primary pillar in Trump's policy position.
Global Warming - Criticism of the conclusion has been disavowed - how will that play in coal country.
Sex and Condoms - Candidate is calling for folks to watch a porn tape, has had affairs in the past, and has his right hand man indicating that everyone is an adulterer.
Evolution - I am still amazed about Pence's loony speech from the floor. I sure would like to see science education discussed.
Blue Idaho
(5,057 posts)Shit oh dear...
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)womanofthehills
(8,762 posts)Recently changed to Periods for Politicians. Pence is so into women's bodies, woman are calling his office with details about their periods. Pence passed a law that miscarried or aborted fetuses had to be cremated or have a burial.
The measure was part of a controversial abortion bill that Trump's vice presidential pick signed this past March.
The sweeping abortion bill that Indiana Gov. Mike Pence signed into law in March gained national attention for prohibiting women from electing to have an abortion due to the race, gender, or disability of the fetus. But the bill contained another unusual provision: It required that aborted fetuses receive what amounts to a funeral.
Pence, whom Donald Trump announced as his vice presidential running mate on Friday, signed the law that made Indiana the second state ever, after North Dakota, to pass a ban on abortions carried out for certain reasons. The law also imposed liability for wrongful death on doctors that perform an abortion motivated by one of the prohibited reasons. And, as Mother Jones reported in March, the law also required that health care facilities inter or cremate the remains of an aborted fetus, and prohibited fetal tissue donation.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/07/trumps-vp-pick-passed-law-requiring-funerals-aborted-fetuses