You hate pence. I hate pence.

[Jakes Progress]

But the media has been anointing him as the cleanest, most qualified republican ever. Democrats are only attacking him for his siding with Trump. He is being painted as statesmanlike.

If the tape makes trump resign, and pence runs, we are miles behind in letting the country know how bad mikey is. 30 days to vet him to the public. He will have millions from the kochs, and the media is several weeks away from losing their crush on him. The public knows only what the media have told them after the VP debate.

Just when it looked like we might squeak it out.

[oioioi]

1. Too late.

She is winning Texas, she is winning 400+

[Jakes Progress]

9. Cite your source, please.

[oioioi]

12. me

[Jakes Progress]

17. I live in Texas.

Love your optimism. Find fault with your fact finding.

[oioioi]

18. I understand. I'm sorry on both counts. I still think she will win TX though. We'll see.

[Jakes Progress]

31. You must live in Austin.

[oioioi]

34. Do you still think she's not going to win TX?

[Jakes Progress]

35. No matter how hard I work,

it will be hard to turn Texas blue. North Texas, West Texas -- papered with trumpence signs.

But. You're the optimist. I'm the pessimist.

[JoePhilly]

2. Nonsense.

First Trump pulling out does not immediately make Pence the Presidential nominee. He never even ran in the Primary.

[OnDoutside]

3. I wouldn't worry about Pence. He's only a boy in a man's world.

[Jakes Progress]

15. Oh.

He's at least as "smart" as w. bush and the kochs love him.

That's why I said you and I hate him, but we hated bush too.

But I see where others have legitimately attacked my premise and my pessimism with the fact that early voting has already started.

[OnDoutside]

19. I don't hate him, he's too inconsequental to hate. He's as empty a vessel as Little Marco. Plus

his anti-women stance will kill him in any future national election.

[Jakes Progress]

20. Always good

to underestimate an opponent and overestimate the congealed judgement of the electorate.

Optimism is a good thing. Keep it as long as you can.

[OnDoutside]

23. Nobody has really tried to attack Pence yet. I think his neanderthal beliefs would be taken

apart on the national stage.

[Jakes Progress]

30. I agree.

But I worry that the media would take until the election to slow down their current path of building him up so that there is more drama and conflict which equals more ratings.

It appears that trump's ego is going to save us. He won't step down. In my pessimistic fever I envisioned the rnc promising him no taxes or something to get him to quit.

[OnDoutside]

32. I don't think there is anything on his side that can change this election. Only some campaign

crashing event on Hillary's side would change things. We don't want him to step down though....he's like an albatross around the Republican neck ! The personal humiliation would probably be too much for him. That said, I think he is going to go after Hillary and Bill tomorrow night. If he does, and wins, watch the GOP rally round like the rats they are.

[tavernier]

4. I agree-

We cannot demand that Trump be thrown out of the race because they are already salivating at that prospect.

[geek tragedy]

5. He's got the stink of Trump's sexual assault on him now.

he's already fled back to Indiana to contemplate his next move.

Does the stand by Trump's bragging about sexual assault? Or does he knife his own nominee?

There is no middle ground here.

[yardwork]

6. The deadlines are past for Pence to take over the ticket.

[Hekate]

7. Too late. Voting has already started. But we still need to let folks know Pence is ...

...a religious fanatic, among other things. He's got his bags packed for 2020, I bet.

[Jakes Progress]

13. Hadn't considered early voting.

Hell. I'm a natural pessimist. But I think too many others are too optimistic. I hate to contemplate a pence supreme court.

[duncang]

8. He's stuck with dipshit till the bitter end now

Too late to get on all the state ballots also early voting has already begun. the rnc has a way to change prez hopefuls, but state laws don't work that easily.

[Skoods]

10. LOL Oh come on...

"Just when it looked like we might squeak it out."

Umm, what? Your entire OP reeks of anything but "progress."

Even if Trump did drop out (he can't resign from a job he never had), Pence would be destroyed by the scandal as well. He just went on national TV 3 days ago and said that Donald Trump's words are misconstrued and misunderstood. The only people misunderstanding this one are the 35% of the country that will NEVER vote Democrat even if the Republican was Joseph Stalin and the Democrat was Ayn Rand. It's all about the D or R for them.

But, the fact of the matter is, Trump or no Trump, the GOP has lost the 2016 Presidential Election barring a MASSIVE scandal on Hillary.

[Jakes Progress]

14. Love your optimism.

Did you feel this good when Kerry ran against bush?

[Quiet_Dem_Mom]

11. It'd be up to GOP as a whole to replace Trump...

And it'd have to be through a convention or a committee established by GOP (yeah, I looked it up a few months ago).





And can you imagine the implosion of the Mandarin Comb-Over Candidate if the GOP starts discussing replacing him? His ego wouldn't be able to handle it.

[ecstatic]

16. I was just thinking that. Donald now has an excuse to step down

But if I'm being honest, he should be forced to step down because our country really deserves better than a vulgar, unqualified misogynist with mental issues.

Of course, that leaves Pence. Not good. He's an extreme right winger. What an awkward situation!

[sufrommich]

21. Nothing will make Trump resign,he won't willingly give up

the spotlight,he's a narcissist. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it's Pence that jumps ship. The Trump brand will take Pence down and he's got to be getting scared. Nobody needs the right wing,evangelical vote like Pence does and he might be ready to cut his losses.

[Jakes Progress]

25. Trump's ego and ignorance are my solace.

The electorate's fear and ignorance are my concern.

[LexVegas]

22. Jesus Fucking Christ. Who are you guys? nt

[Jakes Progress]

24. We are Jesus Christ.

You have our middle name wrong.

Sorry if thinking bothers you. Go on with your blind, cock-eyed optimism. I'm sure that you felt the same feelings for the Gore and Kerry elections. That's okay though. We need jolly elves. Just don't get all twisted if some of the more pessimistic of the party actually try to avoid catastrophes that would take the shiny away.

[lame54]

26. If Pence doesn't drop from the ticket...

2020 won't look so good for him

[Fast Walker 52]

28. True-- he's tied to Trump now

though his acting like he didn't know Trump in the debate looks good in retrospect

[Fast Walker 52]

27. far too late-- deadlines passed, ballots already set, many printed

chill

[Jakes Progress]

39. That would be it if

republicans played by the rules. My bet is that the rnc is rewriting their bylaws as we post.

[book_worm]

29. He lied his way thru the debate by denying that Trump said the things he did

I think that should disqualify him right there--along with the fact that he is Trump's hand picked nominee--a further taint, imo.

[DefenseLawyer]

33. Pence is dumb as a post

Yes he has the talk show host gift of gab and can spout meaningless cliches, but he's really stupid. In a full campaign season he would be done in by his first serious interview. (Go back and look at his train wreck interview with George Stephanopoulos after his Religious Freedom bill disaster in Indiana). You're right though, the problem is there isn't enough time and he could conceivably coast into the election without answering a single live question.

[Jakes Progress]

37. That's my concern.

Even worse would be a ryan/pence ticket. That's what the rnc is dreaming of right now. Everyone says it is too late, but the later the better for the republicans. Neither ryan nor pence could beat Hillary in a full campaign, but both are riding the wave of love from the media right now.

Sure I'm the pessimist, but people shouldn't think the rnc will be concerned with rules or doing things according to code. They can convene something like 168 people and completely rewrite the rules. Those who are cheering will lose by thinking that the rules will keep the republicans from cheating and getting away with it. They don't give a shit about the country or they never would have let trump in in the first place.

Pence is surely a fence post when it comes to thinking, but so was bush 2 and so was reagan. republicans like 'em dumb.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

36. And you think the rabid Trump supporters will accept that?

[Jakes Progress]

38. Probably because

before they are trump supporters, they are Hillary haters.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

40. I think you underestimate the passion they have for him

Many wouldn't be paying attention to the election if he weren't in it.

[Jakes Progress]

41. I think you underestimate how fickle and clueless they are.

They are like high school football supporters who get transferred to another school. Whole new passion in a week.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

42. I don't see that passion transferring to Pence

Football, yes

[Jakes Progress]

44. Well, I think the passion

is against Hillary more than it is for trump.

[FreeState]

43. Pence is full of issues, not vetted and problematic

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/joshuaepstein/here_s_the_proof_of_mike_pence_s_anti_women_anti_gay_anti_science_record_you_ve_been_asking_for_trolls

[spiderpig]

45. Bill Maher described him perfectly.

He looks like the albino assassin in The Da Vinci Code.