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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,686 posts)
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 07:57 PM Oct 2016

Does Trump's predatory behavior come from horniness or a desire to dominate?

I suspect it's the latter. It seems from Trump's comments that what motivates him to grope women is not so much that he lusts for them but that he wants to show that he can do something other men couldn't get away with. He can ogle naked beauty contestants because he owns the pageant; he can grope women because he's a star; he can put his hands all over some woman he just met because he's Donald Trump. He's trying to establish his superiority over other men as well his control over women, whom he clearly regards as nothing more than pieces of meat that he can own.

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Does Trump's predatory behavior come from horniness or a desire to dominate? (Original Post) The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2016 OP
Horniness and the power/money/freedom to The_Casual_Observer Oct 2016 #1
You see! You see! This is what porn does to people jberryhill Oct 2016 #4
Look, lots of people get horny, really, really horny and don't attack others jberryhill Oct 2016 #2
This is not a question Johnny2X2X Oct 2016 #3
Agree absolutely-- it's always about control & domination ailsagirl Oct 2016 #23
Exactly! unitedwethrive Oct 2016 #35
He's a dominator C_U_L8R Oct 2016 #5
A belief that he is entitled to do and say anything because he's rich. sinkingfeeling Oct 2016 #6
I think he's impotent Emilybemily Oct 2016 #7
Criminal sexual conduct might be the only way meow2u3 Oct 2016 #12
I agree Emilybemily Oct 2016 #27
He loves to dominate others. Henceforth, this endorsement: Dawson Leery Oct 2016 #8
Horniness has very little to do with it etherealtruth Oct 2016 #9
Rape is almost always about power. JoePhilly Oct 2016 #10
I think it's about dominance AND a sense of entitlement kysrsoze Oct 2016 #11
Power. It's all about power. TheCowsCameHome Oct 2016 #13
Sexual assault is about power, not sex. nt. Nonhlanhla Oct 2016 #14
It's about dominance and control. That's how RAPISTS think. MoonRiver Oct 2016 #15
Anytime a man uses force to physically dominate a woman GulfCoast66 Oct 2016 #16
a desire to humiliate which probably falls under dominance and power anamandujano Oct 2016 #17
Yes Ace Rothstein Oct 2016 #18
He's like the spoiled prince that never had anyone say "no" to them-- a spoiled entitled brat Fast Walker 52 Oct 2016 #19
The latter, I'm certain. MineralMan Oct 2016 #20
As a man, I can say we get horny a lot. phleshdef Oct 2016 #21
Probably the latter Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2016 #22
Bet he didn't grope wealthy women at the country club. Kingofalldems Oct 2016 #24
Dominate Siwsan Oct 2016 #26
They're often not mutually exclusive n/t Stargleamer Oct 2016 #28
It comes for extremely low self esteem and deep insecurity Snake Plissken Oct 2016 #29
It's a power thing. herding cats Oct 2016 #30
Exaxtly. It's the desire to *appear* dominate scscholar Oct 2016 #31
A sense of entitlement that was taught to him by his father. No other explanation. tonyt53 Oct 2016 #32
Dominate - it's abuse and Power & Control nadine_mn Oct 2016 #33
From personal delusion. no_hypocrisy Oct 2016 #34
Contempt for women too Freddie Oct 2016 #36
I think there's a connection with his bullying both men and women. cheyanne Oct 2016 #37
Horniness plays a role probably Lanius Oct 2016 #38
I think he has a disease thecrow Oct 2016 #39
If he wasn't rich he'd be be registered sex offender demosincebirth Oct 2016 #40
Both. Rex Oct 2016 #41
INSECURITY. That's where this comes from. nt BobbyDrake Oct 2016 #42
It's megalomaniac violence. Adrahil Oct 2016 #43
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
2. Look, lots of people get horny, really, really horny and don't attack others
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 08:01 PM
Oct 2016

I mean, when have you ever been "so horny" you couldn't avoid violating someone else's humanity?

That's not normal.

Various personality disorders are associated with what are called "boundary issues".

Johnny2X2X

(19,065 posts)
3. This is not a question
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 08:01 PM
Oct 2016

It's always about control. He wants to control women, and he thinks women are there for his wants. He's sick.

C_U_L8R

(45,002 posts)
5. He's a dominator
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 08:01 PM
Oct 2016

But a pretty cheesy one who seems to have read to many how-to gimmicks. It's so blatant and tries so hard. Evidence in his debate stalking and silly overthought shoulder grabs and other physical tricks. What a jackass.

Emilybemily

(204 posts)
27. I agree
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 09:02 PM
Oct 2016

Completely scary that this bastard is in the political arena at all, let alone the repuke candidate for president.

kysrsoze

(6,019 posts)
11. I think it's about dominance AND a sense of entitlement
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 08:05 PM
Oct 2016

He was obviously brought up to believe he was entitled to anything he wanted, and it shows.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
15. It's about dominance and control. That's how RAPISTS think.
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 08:09 PM
Oct 2016

If that SOB hadn't been rich, he would be serving hard time.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
16. Anytime a man uses force to physically dominate a woman
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 08:11 PM
Oct 2016

It is not sexual. Grapping pussy unwanted, pinching an ass or rape...it is all about power.

I am a 50 year old male and nothing puts me into a boiling rage like abuse of women. The last time I engaged in physical violence was in college. During a party a few of us walked into a bedroom of our fraternity. A man attending the party was just about to take advantage of a passed out young lady(girl really. And we were really boys) He was working on getting her blouse off. We beat the living shit out of him.

Looking back I regret it. We should have called the cops, but we were young and drunk. But we were good boys at heart and did not put up with that kind of shit. And this was in the early 80's.

That is why I get enraged about he whole 'locker room talk' and 'all guys talk that way'. Most guys do not do that. Only the deplorable ones. We were horny young men in a fraternity in a southern state. Sexual Abuse was not allow nor laughed about. I know for a fact not all fraternities had the same ethics we did but they were not all rape dens either. Hell, many of the catholic boys went to Mass each Sunday and some of the Baptist boys went to church. If the hangover was not too bad! Seem kind of quaint now.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
19. He's like the spoiled prince that never had anyone say "no" to them-- a spoiled entitled brat
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 08:28 PM
Oct 2016

he's seriously a headcase, severe psychological issues... deep down he probably is insecure and tries to dominate women to show he's boss.

Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
29. It comes for extremely low self esteem and deep insecurity
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 09:04 PM
Oct 2016

He needs to degrade people to feel better about himself

 

scscholar

(2,902 posts)
31. Exaxtly. It's the desire to *appear* dominate
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 09:12 PM
Oct 2016

The fact that not much bad was published about him before he ran for President shows, and I think this might be an unpopular opinion here, he isn't that horrible at the core. It's just that his desire to always appear in control pushes him to look like a truly horrific person.

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
32. A sense of entitlement that was taught to him by his father. No other explanation.
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 09:14 PM
Oct 2016

Trump thinks he is entitled to do what he wants to whomever he wants. If he was into guys, he'd he grabbing them too. Same way he does in business dealings - he pays contractors what he wants or they get nothing.

no_hypocrisy

(46,095 posts)
34. From personal delusion.
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 09:15 PM
Oct 2016

He has attacked women and left with the impression "They can't keep their hands off me".

Freddie

(9,265 posts)
36. Contempt for women too
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 09:16 PM
Oct 2016

Is part of the equation. Men like that know there really is nothing we can do about it, especially if he is in a position of power.
On Nov. 8, there is something we can do about it.

cheyanne

(733 posts)
37. I think there's a connection with his bullying both men and women.
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 09:17 PM
Oct 2016

Sex is something that most people have insecurities about. So they are vulnerable to talking about it, especially in a business setting.

The description of meetings for the Apprentice shows him, not only remarking on a woman's sex appeal and saying that he would bang her, but he calls out the other men to agree with him, *Would you like to bang her?" By bringing up the topic of sexuality, he is daring the other men to disagree with him. He knows such talk is not appropriate so by getting the others to go along with it, he is showing his dominance of the group. He also has created a bond of being complicit in bad behavior.

His son calls it "alpha behavior".

Lanius

(599 posts)
38. Horniness plays a role probably
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 09:34 PM
Oct 2016

But sexual assault is more about power over another. Also, there might be some sadism as well.

thecrow

(5,519 posts)
39. I think he has a disease
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 09:44 PM
Oct 2016

of the asshole. Some people who have this disease have an unusually large asshole into which the patient buries his head, which accounts for a vile personality because everything is covered in shit, so they are convinced that they are allowed, even supposed to be *vile* . They try to excuse the effects of the disease, but it is too late, and the spiral downward is a relief to those around the patient.
This disease is very contagious, and removes all sense of proper discourse with others.
I believe this disease is unfortunately, incurable.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
41. Both.
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 10:47 PM
Oct 2016

He has nothing to hinder impulses, he can't even hide his open contempt for human life. So he wants to hump the planet. His brand really should be Hump like he does his employees and life in general.

His ego is astounding.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
43. It's megalomaniac violence.
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 10:58 PM
Oct 2016

He believes his wealth entitles him to any women he wants. He assumes that they recognize that right, and doesn't acknowledge their right to deny him. It is dominance, and he is man who views sexual conquest as dominance.

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