2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWORST CASE SCENARIO - HILLARY STILL WINS
I've seen a lot of really anxious posts in the past few days, and I tried to make sense of it. Even considering worst case scenario, Hillary still wins.
Nate Silver has DJT taking FL, AZ, IA, UT, OH - all of them. And still Hillary is over 300 and Trump is 232. That is his BEST case scenario. Let's give him Nevada too - which is 6 electoral votes. He's still under 240.
Go to http://www.270towin.com/. The default has 258 for Hillary and 157 for Trump - only the very confirmed - everything else is battleground. Give HRC WI because WI is 80% chance in 538. That takes her to 268. Then out of NV, UT, AZ, FL, GA, NC, NH she needs to win one of them. Just one. I think NH is a sure win - 538 gives her 75%. That takes her to 272 - which is this map: http://www.270towin.com/maps/kxG4n. AND SHE WINS! A win is a win. Period.
I think Hillary will win NV, NC also: http://www.270towin.com/maps/gPbxj
So I'm honestly not sure what the concern is. Will there be a blowout? I hope so, but due to events in the last week, I can't be sure. But will there be victory. ABSOLUTELY!
538 has senate races still 68% to Dems. I don't think those races are that influenced by the email issues. The only issue is if independents who are unhappy with both candidates, but were leaning HRC now decide to not vote at all - then we might lose some. But nothing indicates that. Finally, worst case, I can live with it if Senate does not turn blue.
Does anyone disagree? Especially the members who are very concerned and worried?
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)The down-ballot races are a bigger concern. To say nothing of accepting the reality that I live in a nation where Donald Trump will get tens of millions of votes. Does anyone know a really good therapist?
zenabby
(364 posts)and it's not worth worrying. We hope, but it is what it is. I'm challenging anyone who is worried or considers President Trump a reality to give me a possible path to victory for him here.
It seems very unlikely that she will lose, though I really wish the polls would flatten out some as I expect they will this week.
meadowlark5
(2,795 posts)He won't concede with a close win and we'll be back in hanging chad land again (well not exactly but that kind of scrutiny). But his rigged talk is setting the stage.
Sure wish she could take Florida. Big, populous state full of wing nuts. Just for spite
zenabby
(364 posts)coz none of the political "establishment" want him to be president. None of the supreme court judges, or Paul Ryan or any of his party. They just want him to lose but keep the senate so that they can fix it later and get rid of him. He is no GWB.
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)So don't count on any support from them.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)otherwise about the same sort of progress against the same mixture of corrupt Republican leadership, corrupt House troglodytes, and corrupt black-money powers Obama's has had to struggle to achieve.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)EL34x4
(2,003 posts)If they cooperate, they'll get primaried and their political life will be finished.
Honestly, I think the well is so poisoned at this point that a Hillary Clinton administration will be four years of ongoing criminal investigations, congressional obstruction and general gridlock.
Unless, of course, there are changes on Capitol Hill.
SweetieD
(1,660 posts)All she needs is NV and Wisconsin. Both are pretty much locked in her favor.
MyNameIsKhan
(2,205 posts)All depends on EV's casted by end of this weekend.
William769
(55,148 posts)I think she's going to sweep the swing States & maybe only lose one of them.
First Speaker
(4,858 posts)...in that case, God help us. Trump isn't Gore, and the GOP in 2016 isn't the Dems in 2000. There *would* be an attempt on the part of the GOP to install Trump in the White House on Jan 20. Even if Hillary is inaugurated, she'd have no authority in much of the Red States. Imagine a hundred Bundy occupations, all encouraged by Red State legislatures and local police forces. The US would slide towards anarchy. Does anyone think the GOP would *not* behave this way...?
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)Short of a massive undeniable landslide victory, this race won't be over the morning of November 9th.