2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDonald Trump represents the rise of Nazism in America and must be stopped at all costs.
He's not simply a right wing nut job. He's not even just a fascist. He is a Nazi who would create the 1st American Reich. He is a grave danger the likes of which the globe has not seen since the 1930s and he must be stopped at all costs. That Supreme Court seat to make the court 5-4 again hanging out there is his key to create a new Reich.
Don't you dare accuse me of hyperbole. We are staring evil in the face. The fate of the world rests on Secretary Hillary Clinton's shoulders.
She must be elected on Tuesday. November 8, 2016, is the equivalent of the landing on the beaches of Normandy on D-Day, the ability of the British Expeditonary Force to evacuate Dunkirk succesfully to fight another day, the failure of the Battle of the Bulge, etc.
Also, my grandfather fought in World War II and suffered grave injuries. So, I know the horror of that war perhaps better than most.
Hillary Clinton must win on Tuesday and don't anyone here tell me he's not that bad, he's not evil, he is just a goof.
He is evil personified and must be stopped at all costs.
I apologize in advance if some of you think I was too harsh on Donald Trump. I'm sure some of you will tell me he's just a lovable goofball and not to worry.👹
putitinD
(1,551 posts)ColemanMaskell
(783 posts)Here are some links to cheer you, if you are seeking agreement from like souls.
From Chemi Shalev, an Israeli journalist who's the US editor of Haaretz, Israel's oldest newspaper:
Thanks to Trump, We Can Better Understand How Hitler Was Possible
http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/u-s-election-2016/1.749153
'Lugenpresse' discussion:
Links to truly offensive write-ups:
http://www.infostormer.com/jewish-media-cries-about-trump-supporters-using-the-nsdap-term-lugenpresse/
http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2016/04/11/not-the-lugenpresse-lying-press/
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/pol/5846479699.html
Link to less offensive write-up from TIME:
http://time.com/4544562/donald-trump-supporters-lugenpresse/
Excerpt from TIME:
Supporters of GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump have begun to use an old German wordonce invoked by Nazis and now currently in vogue with far-right political activists in Germanyto attack American media covering his campaign.
The phrase is Lügenpresse, which means lying press. The phrase rose to infamy during the Nazi era and was resurrected in 2014 as a watchword with Germanys anti-immigrant activists who wanted the media to tell the truth about refugees in their countrymost of whom were Muslim refugees fleeing from war-torn areas caught in the middle of the ISIS conflict.
Now, Lügenpresse has traveled across the ocean to Trump rallies and social media posts from Trumps legion of alt right supporters, and its being aimed at both the media and the presidential campaign of Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton.
Buzzfeeds Rosie Gray, one of the first reporters to chronicle Trumps rise alongside core elements of the alt right movement, recently tweeted a video that captured two Trump supporters shouting the phrase at the members of the media covering the Republican Partys presidential nominee at a convention center in Cleveland, Ohio.
In the video, one of Trumps supporters coaches another supporter on the proper use and pronunciation of the phrase as they shout at members of the media contained inside a pen at the Trump rally. Journalists covering Trumps campaign are confined to pens at the back of rallies and have been constantly harassed in recent weeks by Trump supporters.
Lügenpresse! Thats what you are, one of the Trump supporters shouts. What? the second supporter asks? Lügenpresse! he shouts, and then asks whether he was pronouncing it right. You said it right, the first supporter confirms. Youre all in bed with the Clintons. Youre all bought and paid for, every one of you the second shouts.
. . . Trump said at the close of the third and final presidential debate that he may not accept the results of the presidential election. It is a stance that has clearly hurt him in recent pollingan ABC News tracking poll Sunday found that Trump now trails Clinton by 12 points nationally. The question now is whether his supporters will pick up on his cues and take Lügenpresse beyond the confines of the rally media pens and social mediaand into the streets.
gordianot
(15,237 posts)I think many have underestimated Trump's need to win. He is on the verge of financial ruin a loss in this race is political ruin. His financial backers are about to knock on the door and Donald is accumulating mortal enemies who will not forget his treachery.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)execrable shitball, maybe.
radius777
(3,635 posts)i.e that characterize Trump as a harmless blowhard who won't get anything done, who speaks to the "ignored" (white) working class, who is "standing up" to "globalism", etc.
This is of course, bullshit, as Trump doesn't care about anyone but himself, and can do tons of damage if elected president, the most powerful position in the world, where many actions don't require the approval of congress or anyone else.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I'm sure there are "factions" of people all over the map who are full of shit on all manner of stuff, but I haven't seen anybody in this place say anything like the crap you describe.
Cha
(297,186 posts)lion share of the blame? The ******* US Media******.
rusty quoin
(6,133 posts)to actually scream at the media for its failings. We are level headed.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)radius777
(3,635 posts)When talking to undecided voters, I've come to realize that the term "fascist" is not something that many/most "get", as they take it as a catch-all term for "bad guy", and don't get the political science definition of it.
But when I've used the terms "neonazi" and/or "skinhead", it works much better at getting across the point of what Trump is, what the alt-right is, etc, as they have a mental image of what that is, i.e. the violence, thuggery, hatred - and then think that such people can turn on them, iow its not just about the "others", but that Trump could be a danger to them.
NewsCenter28
(1,835 posts)As far as downplaying his significance, I worry that some on the left may treat him with the same kind of lack of seriousness they treated Bush 43 or both are the both are equally bad choices mentality that's out there in some quarters and which existed in the Bush V. Gore race back in 2000, which led to millions of deaths and financial ruin.