2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDon't you wish the "liberal media" was really liberal?
Can you imagine this election campaign, had the liberal media lived up to its billing?
That is actually one of the right wing's BIGGEST lies: that the mainstream media is biased in favor of the left.
Of course, I'm preaching to the choir. We all know the score. Doesn't it seem like our voices are always muted?
TonyPDX
(962 posts)tanyev
(42,552 posts)moonscape
(4,673 posts)the facts aren't in our favor, other times they are. I want an objective media that sane minds can trust.
get the red out
(13,462 posts)To be able to trust them on facts would be extremely nice!
RKP5637
(67,107 posts)know how that would happen, but it sure would be a relief to just be fair and report facts.
Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)But that's not the point of my post.
If the media is being labeled "liberal", when in fact it's not, that in and of itself is misleading.
Just like "fair and balanced" being the code words for "anything but fair and balanced".
Foggyhill
(1,060 posts)A short amount of time and media competition bring st all time high and profits way down, pressure to put something out and then wring as much juice out of it will be high
By the time the truth is known, great damage has already been done
The fact that older demos watch the news more skews the short and medium term bias to the GOP side
That's not even taking into account the overt bias that comes from catering to a right wing GOP demo, like Fox and MSNBC daytime
Cha
(297,180 posts)for fascism news.
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)The media used to just state the facts and nothing more.
Now it is 24/7 commentary
TheLibIn615
(61 posts)The news does not need to be editorialized for Hillary to be staring at 400 EVs. But it is not reported because the MSM are willing to hand the keys to a lunatic in exchange for a few fleeting months of spiked ad revenue. The way the media have behaved during this election cycle, blatantly tilting the field 90 degrees, is an unforgivable disgrace.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)it's not a free press anymore. fox is an example of opinion media, a major lie they pushed for years is the 'birther lie' about our countries president.
rock
(13,218 posts)If they weren't so yellow.
From dictionary.com:
10. (of a newspaper, book, etc.)
featuring articles, pictures, or other content that is sensational, especially morbidly or
offensively so
dishonest in editorial comment and the presentation of news, especially in sacrificing truth for
sensationalism, as in yellow journalism; yellow press.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)Even if there's several liberal-minded reporters, and I'm not convinced there's as many of them as conservatives claim, there's an old truism about "shit rolling downhill."
If the people at the top want a particular agenda, many of their employees will fall in line due to self-preservation.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)the media to have a liberal slant like FOX News and InfoWars do for the RW; I just want the pundits to do their jobs. Call out the politicians who refuse to cooperate to get things done, discuss real scandals rather than manufactured scandals, do more fact-checking, discuss issues that don't normally get covered rather than political gossip, stop passing false equivalence as fair and balanced reporting, and never allow people on your programs who are avowed bigots and tinfoil hat wearers. That's all I ask as a politics junkie.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often...
"Coming up next, we interview a man who believes the Earth is round and another man who insists it's actually flat."
demosincebirth
(12,536 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)scream! The fact that they even think that tells me that I am not dealing with rational people and should not engage with them.
Caliman73
(11,736 posts)There has always been sensational reporting and people like Hearst and Pullitzer (for whom the prize for excellence in journalism was named) have used their outlets to steer the public opinion.
The problem in modern times is that there has been a concerted effort from conservatives from Buckley, to Ailes & Nixon to create a separate media with only a right wing perspective. They have been successful in framing the narrative of the existence of an equivalent "liberal media" which is any outlet that does not conform to their specific messaging. So Everything up to and including Fox News in the last few months, has been decried as "liberal media" by right wingers who want to paint their perspective as the true perspective held by "most people".
Yes, left leaning voices have always been muted because the philosophy favored by the left is to balance individual liberties and profit seeking against the communal good, and that interferes with unfettered capitalism and greed. Especially now, where the majority of the media is owned by large multinational corporations, you are always going to see that the information will be biased toward supporting profit making.
Like many others have responded, I would say No, I don't want a liberal media, I want a media that examines and reports the information available in as much detail as possible. I want people to debate the interpretation of said information as well. What I don't want is to be fed information that only caters to a specific belief system whether right or left.
While there is no equivalence between what Right Wing media and Progressive media does, I do get irritated when I see stupid headlines like, "Clarence Thomas destroys Republican talking points" pointing to a story that does not confirm that information with any facts. I already know that the Right Wing media lies blatantly, for the purpose of advancing a bankrupt ideology. Progressives should not use the same playbook. We are about taking new information, verifying it, testing it, understanding it, then disseminating it to others.