Two electors say they won't vote for Hillary

[meadowlark5]

Two men who were selected as members of the Electoral College in the likely event that Clinton wins the state of Washington, are, at the very least, uncertain that they will honor the will of the people of their state. Robert Satiacum told the Seattle Times that he is “absolutely not” voting for Clinton and that “I hope it comes down to a swing vote and it’s me,” because then “she ain’t getting it. Maybe it’ll wake this country up.”
https://thinkprogress.org/two-democratic-electors-threaten-to-throw-the-election-to-donald-trump-14989085a7fb#.ujcwpokp9

I hope some of the Trump soldiers will donate their time as his body guards if that's the case because he'll need them.

[LisaM]

1. Stupid caucus state.

If they'd taken the primary results, this wouldn't have happened.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

28. Blame the state party leaders for that

Most people don't have the convenience of taking several weekends off to caucus.

[LisaM]

41. That is true...

and I didn't know very many Hillary voters who wanted to go and be yelled at. I heard some terrible stories. I hope they fix it, though frankly, I am flat out sick of living in Washington.

[Zynx]

2. Why the fuck do we give activists these positions?

[RAFisher]

27. Agree! Why the fuck are activists chosen as EC voters? Needs to be given to professions.

Doctors, Lawyers, Judges, Professors. Somebody who isn't this stupid. I don't know if these people understand they will be despised by democrats for the rest of their life.

[Zynx]

29. Honestly, we should just give the positions to elected officials or big donors. Loyal and sound

people. We should never have to deal with any faithless electors. Fuck this.

[radius777]

60. exactly, to superdelegates, basically. /nt

[TrekLuver]

5. Yes permanent damage

[radius777]

23. I agree, and Weaver.

There should be stricter rules in place regarding this type of shit, people work their asses off during these elections, and two shitstains shouldn't be able to reverse that.

Fuck the alt-left, no better in many ways than the alt-right, entitled (mostly white) whiners.

[Foggyhill]

33. Yes, alt-left, misoginist, entitled white men that also often xenophobes too.

Looks a lot like the other side.on those key vile points.

[bornskeptic]

43. To be fair, te one who absolutely won't ote for Hillary is a Native American.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/hes-a-state-democratic-elector-but-robert-satiacum-says-he-wont-vote-for-clinton/

[radius777]

50. the criticism still mostly applies, and shits such as this guy are a symptom

of the BoB/Stein/Sarandon/Greenwald alt-left Hillary-hate mentality, which is overwhelmingly white and elitist, and who would be quite ok if this election were to get thrown into the GOP controlled House who would the elect the fascist Trump president. Fuck them all.

[onecaliberal]

64. Seriously stop fighting the primary. Bernie is campaigning his heart out all over the country, for

Hillary. Don't blame him for the dumb fucks that act like they're 3.

[Maru Kitteh]

35. These petty little shits need a personal phone call from Sanders

to right the damage done.

And we need to make sure faithless pieces of shit who hate democracy when they don't get their way (like little children) are never awarded an opportunity to grandstand like this in the future.

[VOX]

53. Word. *fist bump* n/t

[TrekLuver]

4. I don't understand that they don't have to abide by the will of the people? So these two

guys votes count more than the people of the state of Washington? I can't imagine this is legal and allowed. Isn't that the point of pledged delegates...all of a sudden they are saying no?

[Worktodo]

59. Generally people follow their duty

Whether they like it or not, and that's what keeps our system of government (if not civilization itself) afloat. Problem with some people is their concept is one-way -- they can break out of the social contract while still getting all of the benefits. Sounds like they picked the wrong person to carry an important responsibility.

[Blue Idaho]

7. We will see about that...

The Electoral College vote is a long way away right now. Plenty of time for them to get "feedback" from all the people who feel they are betraying them.

[RAFisher]

9. They are traitors and needed for be banned from the Democratic Party for life.

Sorry I'm done with this shit. They're done. The need to be bared from any Democratic Party events for the rest of their life. I don't know how either could continue to live in Washington State. They are going to be infamously know and despised in a state filled with Democrats.

[Foggyhill]

12. They will be taking away the voice of nearly a million people!!! Sick fuckers

[smirkymonkey]

68. +1000

[SunSeeker]

13. Charge them with fraud. nt

[LiberalFighter]

14. Nasty women in Washington need to call them.

[still_one]

15. Of course they are men. What a bunch of selffish, selfcentered ASSHOLES. They aren't

the ones who will face the consequence when Planned Parenthood clinics are ruled illegal, and roe v wade is overturned, along with the destruction of civil rights and human rights.

They are violating their committed duties. I hope KARMA bites them in the ass big time, and inflicts a lot of hurt in their delusional world.

Hopefully, we won't need these creeps.

I hope there is some provision that they can be replaced. Perhaps ruling them as incompetent.

F**K THEM

[Orrex]

17. They should be cited for public masturbation

[treestar]

19. I hope there is plenty of pressure put on them

of course the first time it's a woman is when this has to happen.

[Jim Lane]

73. No, this is not a new thing "the first time it's a woman"

It's happened quite often before, with faithless electors refusing to vote for male candidates. By the tally in Wikipedia there were 157 instances of faithlessness before this election.

It's still wrong but it's probably not based on misogyny.

[Dawson Leery]

24. Fuck the caucus system.

It allows any kook to get in the door.

These two MUST be replaced, NOW!!!

Hillary is going to be the 45th President, despite all the s**t she has being thrown at her.

[radius777]

44. the caucus system is elitist and non-democratic,

our system needs serious reform.

we need to amend the constitution so that electors are bound to vote how their state did.

millions of people's votes shouldn't be invalidated by a few elitist activist shitstains.

enough of this bullshit, these alt-left fucks have no respect for democracy, no different than the alt-right/Trumpers who whine that the system is rigged - which is merely a projection, they want the system rigged in favor of themselves.

[JHan]

58. BernieBusters insulted me for pointing out Bernie was only competitive because of caucuses..

Undemocratic caucuses... now look at the fkery we have to face with these two clowns.

[Turn CO Blue]

69. The caucus is ONLY in place here because it's much less expensive than primaries. We need funding.

It's really that simple.

Here in Colo, we used to have primaries. We now have caucuses instead of primaries because a REPUBLICAN Secretary of State DECIDED that primaries were more of that "big government" crazy spending, decided that the state had no obligation to assist in the nominee process for political parties, and the state legislature agreed and cut primaries from the state budget. That was all she wrote. We will have a hell of a time getting primaries back here.

So the responsibility for holding some type of primary fell to the parties. And if we want any say, we have to fund the process, establish the process, set the rules, handle the logistics, the communications, the accounting etc.

Coloradans do this with very few resources.

I've heard estimates as high as $6M to hold a statewide primary. Hence choosing a caucus process. The Democratic Party caucus for the entire state was about $50K (needing for renting schools/facilities) and the state Dem party pays for every penny of it, NOT THE NATIONAL PARTY.

It takes a ton of fundraising effort (practically begging, sometimes aggressively) to get that $50K amount together.

The DNC does NOT PROVIDE ONE PENNY FOR OUR CAUCUS. In fact, the Colo Dems are REQUIRED to forward any extra funds raised for our caucus process immediately to the DNC.

[Dem2]

25. If it swings the election these people are as good as

Very unpopular!

[Divine Discontent]

26. they think they're above listening to a million voters, and stomping out their voices?

talk about sick weirdo 'look at ME!' a-holes...

[bdamomma]

31. Can these two men throw the whole election result????

someone explain this to me? Thanks

[LisaL]

36. Yes, it's theoretically possible.

If she were to get 270 EVs, and these two don't vote for her, then she wouldn't have enough EVs.

[Wounded Bear]

38. I really don't think there will be a tie or near tie in the EC...

Although these guys should vote the way the state popular vote went, by law I believe, I doubt that it will be the final vote anywhere. I'd be really surprised if Clinton does not win well over 300 EV, so these guys won't really matter either way.

On principle, though, I'd like to see them fry. Metaphorically, of course.

[jamese777]

39. Faithless Electors

"During the 1836 election, Virginia's entire 23-man electoral delegation faithlessly voted against victorious Democratic Party Vice Presidential Candidate Richard Mentor Johnson, due to Johnson's openly admitted, publicized, long-term interracial relationship with his slave, Julia Chinn. The loss of Virginia's support caused Johnson to fall one electoral vote short of a majority, causing the Vice Presidential election to be thrown into the U.S. Senate for the only time in American history. However, Virginia's electors voted for Martin Van Buren as pledged, meaning the presidential election itself was not in dispute. The U.S. Senate ultimately elected Johnson anyway after a party-line vote. Despite 157 instances of faithlessness as of 2015, faithless electors have not yet affected the results or ultimate outcome of any other presidential election."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector

[BlueProgressive]

75. So, the Virginia electors were against Johnson's "long-term interracial relationship

with his slave", or against his publicly admitting thus?

My guess, is the latter. Probably violated "southern manners" !

[Drunken Irishman]

80. Yes. Bush 'won' in 2000 with exactly 270 electoral votes.

Had one elector gone against the will of his state's electorate and voted for Gore, the election would've been thrown to the House. Likely Bush wins in that scenario anyway, since the House was in GOP control, tho.

If Hillary hits 271 electoral votes, and these two assholes vote for, say, Bernie, she falls to 269 and the election is then thrown to the House, where the Republicans will likely have a majority and they certainly will give it to Trump.

[beachbum bob]

37. Bernie Sanders should personally call this man and tell him

To do the job of the elector and not shame Bernie and the movement he started.. .the job is not about ones ego...and why liked minded people have no problem in screwing our country up.... worse than trump and his people

[Rocknrule]

76. Exactly

At least the Trumpanzees, as dumb as they are, genuinely think they're doing this country a service by voting for the orange one. The hardcore BoB crowd is deliberately trying to fuck us all just to "send a message", knowing their rich white privilege will save them from having to face the consequences of their actions.

[ecstatic]

40. Self centered, arrogant jackasses.

“I hope it comes down to a swing vote and it’s me,” because then “she ain’t getting it. Maybe it’ll wake this country up.”

I can't get past that line. What a vile, power hungry, narcissistic piece of shit. The irony is that if things played out the way he wants them to, his actions would be worse than anything a BoBer could ever imagine Hillary doing.

[Bucky]

47. I hope he's dead on the water with the Dems in his state for this

[jamese777]

42. All candidates falling short of 270 electors

would throw the election into the House of Representatives where each state gets one vote and Washinton D.C. gets no vote. It is likely that the current House, in Republican control would select Trump to be president. The House would choose between the top three candidates who received any electoral votes.

[Bucky]

45. Trump's bar is 270, but now Clinton's is 272

How apropos that the woman has a higher bar to get the same job

[Kathy M]

46. The Electoral College is and has been a check and balance on elections

The first gentleman that said he was not casting electoral vote for Clinton is Native American if I remember correctly. Standing with Standing Rock , as many of us do and should . Do not know about the second person . Sounds like a lot of people want to through him under the bus is that how our Country works now ?

http://www.king5.com/news/politics/washinton-democratic-elector-may-not-vote-for-clinton/335896198

[VOX]

52. Robert Satiacum's FB page says he's born in Chile and lives in Australia

He claims to be an actor and radio personality. Other than being a "buster" who thinks only of "me" instead of the greater good, I'm not sure who/what he is exactly...besides a Trump enabler.

[Kathy M]

67. Ran across this article where Satiacum is member of

Washington’s Puyallup Tribe .

from article towards the bottom ....... " The Puyallup Tribe is a major backer of Democrats and one of the state’s largest contributors to the Clinton campaign, having donated more than $460,000 to the Clinton Victory Fund.

Clinton visited the Puyallup reservation in March while campaigning ahead of the state’s caucuses. During a meeting with tribal leaders, she received a traditional blanket and an honorary Indian name meaning “strong woman.”

In a statement last month, the Puyallup Tribal Council distanced itself from Satiacum. While saying the tribe supported the “personal convictions” of Satiacum, the statement noted that as an elector he had pledged to cast his vote for the winner of the state’s popular vote.

Satiacum “risks dishonoring himself” by not fulfilling that duty, the council’s statement said.

Do not now why he he changed ....... unless awareness ?

edit to add link http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/hes-a-state-democratic-elector-but-robert-satiacum-says-he-wont-vote-for-clinton/

[Zynx]

70. I don't care if he cured cancer. He has no *moral* right to overturn the will of voters.

[VOX]

48. When Trump loses, I can easily see him going after electors...

It's an other opportunity for the Tangerine Man to keep up his "struggle," and to keep his name in the headlines.

[vlyons]

51. His ass is grass in the party

He better not plan on running for office - not even dog catcher. Hope all the Dems shun him.

[MattP]

54. If that elector threw it to Trump he could go down in history as the man who destroyed America

[jonno99]

61. BFD - she won't need them. nt

[lapucelle]

63. According to Washington State law

they both can be replaced BEFORE the election, but not after.

Time to start contacting Washington state party officials.

[yardwork]

65. Look at me! Look at me!

[MFM008]

66. well maybe the people of this state

can SUE his ass somehow.

[book_worm]

71. "maybe it'll wake this country up"

his 1 elector will be meaningless. Washington has done this in the past. In 1976 Gerald Ford won Washington state against Jimmy Carter and one elector voted for Ronald Reagan instead of Ford.

[Drunken Irishman]

82. It's useless if it doesn't come down to 270...

But with the margins so close in so many swing states, it's possible...

Hillary wins all the Democratic states, which puts her at 242...

She wins Michigan, PA and Virginia.

But loses Colorado, Ohio, Florida, Iowa and North Carolina.

That puts her at 270.

If even just one sticks with this, and votes Bernie, it drops her below 270 to 269 and throws the election to the House. There Trump wins.

Likely? Probably not...but possible.

[uponit7771]

72. Fucking wow

[One of the 99]

74. He should be removed.

His job is to reflect the will of the people, not his own views.

[autumn herons]

81. How does this work?

Can they really do this?

[fleabiscuit]

89. The state can remove them and probably will. nt