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Wed Nov 23, 2016, 05:55 PM

 

Bernie Sanders Schools Clueless News Anchor On Why Hillary Clinton Lost

This is a test to see if we have learned anything in the last month about our actions of the last five months.

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Reply Bernie Sanders Schools Clueless News Anchor On Why Hillary Clinton Lost (Original post)
lumberjack_jeff Nov 2016 OP
bettyellen Nov 2016 #1
lumberjack_jeff Nov 2016 #2
bettyellen Nov 2016 #13
DonCoquixote Nov 2016 #15
lumberjack_jeff Nov 2016 #16
DonCoquixote Nov 2016 #17
lumberjack_jeff Nov 2016 #19
DonCoquixote Nov 2016 #20
lapucelle Nov 2016 #3
LisaM Nov 2016 #5
lumberjack_jeff Nov 2016 #7
OKNancy Nov 2016 #4
lumberjack_jeff Nov 2016 #6
OKNancy Nov 2016 #9
lumberjack_jeff Nov 2016 #12
LisaM Nov 2016 #14
doc03 Nov 2016 #8
riversedge Nov 2016 #10
mtnsnake Nov 2016 #11
R B Garr Nov 2016 #18
budkin Nov 2016 #21

Response to lumberjack_jeff (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 05:59 PM

1. More "white working class" primacy bullshit? Sanders book tour needed some excitement eh?

 

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 06:01 PM

2. No, I think the success of that book tour is pretty guaranteed.

 

If only 1/100 of the people who filled stadiums to hear him speak buy the book.

We won't recover any of the ground we lost this year in 2018 if we learn exactly nothing.

Make new mistakes.

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 06:22 PM

13. If I heard this theory a single time from anyone who didn't have these same opinions before the

 

Election I might believe it. But this isn't anything you all "learned from this election", it's basically a repetition of what you already thought a year ago. And since the premise of "learning" is bullshit, I can take it with a grain of salt.

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:03 PM

15. ditching civil rights

will not gain us anything either, yes, the economy needs a focus, but you do not have to go ahead and ditch minorities to do it, and if you try, you just wind up being a light GOP, the sort that truman rightly said loses to real GOP.

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 24, 2016, 12:30 AM

16. Give me a break. Economic justice doesn't bypass minorities and women.

 

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #16)

Thu Nov 24, 2016, 04:15 AM

17. it does if

the idea is sold that as long as the "white working class males get theirs, you can ignore everybody else." I do not think this is the message you intend to mean, but as a Hispanic, I can tell you it is the message that many of those beloved unions did operate under for many years.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/latino-workers-future-labor-n193111

Up until the Obama administration, even as their numbers dwindled, many labor unions did not want Hispanics. What's worse, is that we were treated like the enemy, we could not get into the union, yet were treated like scabs. To be fair, Richard Trumpka has made some very heroic efforts to fix this, ones the afl-cio really does deserve praise for:

http://www.aflcio.org/Blog/Other-News/11-Important-Facts-About-Latinos-in-the-U.S.-Workforce
http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/11/labor-unions-racialinjusticeracerelationsaflcioferguson.html

"In 2008 the president of the AFL-CIO, Richard Trumka, openly criticized union members who were hesitant to vote for then-candidate Barack Obama because of his race. Trumka has since made addressing racial injustice a priority for the country’s largest labor federation. It is not surprising, then, that he has now waded into the crisis in Ferguson, Missouri, pledging the AFL-CIO’s support to help address the ongoing turmoil sparked by the Aug. 9 shooting of African-American teen Michael Brown by white police officer Darren Wilson."

but Trumpka's work started in the Obama years, way too late. And of course, we know that the general backlash against immigration got embraced some Union members, whether here or the UK.

Now, I want labor back as a vital measure to protect all our wages. Hell, if Richard Trumpka ran in 2020, he would have by vote, Put him with someone like Liz Warren, who has spoken on economics in as clear and sharp terms as Bernie ever did, would. However, just as you would not the Debbie Schultz's to see you as a means to their end, we do not want you to see us as a means to your end. No we are not fighting so that bankers in Brooklyn can get the snazzy gentrified apartments, but no, that does not mean we want to go back to the days where as long as white men had jobs, everybody had to wait in the back of the bus.

Not only are both approaches immoral, but it also ensures the real enemies, the billionaires that buy off millionaires, get to bury all of us. ALL OF US.

speaking of which, I might as well ask this as a postscript. While you seem, to rail at what is called "identity politics" , if Liz Warren ran, would you have supported her?

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #17)

Thu Nov 24, 2016, 03:53 PM

19. Social justice doesn't succeed when it's defined as economic justice for everyone except white men.

 

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #19)

Thu Nov 24, 2016, 04:48 PM

20. who defined it as everybody except white men

When Barack Obama tried to build a high-speed rail in Florida, there were plenty of white men who were looking forward to the jobs it would make, before Give Rock Scott scuttled it because it would threaten a deal he made with his friends. There were plenty of white men that got insurance under the much reviled ACA that did not haver to worry about dying because they were too poor to get medicine. Last I checked, there as so sign that said: "white men need not apply." On the other hand, the blacks and browns in your job line have as hard a time getting a job, and frankly, a harder time as they are often "last hired, first fired."

We do need to make economic justice, but what makes it hard to deal with -->SOME<--, note I said -->some<-- "white working class" is that they act as if they deserve to be served first, and let everyone else fight over the remains. The good old days they want a return to are indeed the days when women and other knew their place. Now Bernie is not one of those; he knows the good old days were not that good, and Richard Trumpka seems to know that as again, he has done heroic things to make Unions for everyone. However, truth be told, the things that made it easy to treat minorities like crap were effectively turned against those "white men" you speak for, because when many of them became "Reagan Democrats", they enabled the GOP to pick them clean, just as the "Trump Democrats" will be the first to scream when their Medicare is taken.

Now, I am not saying that there does not need to be serious, major retooling of the message, nor will I deny that some in the Clinton camp used the veneer of social justice to gloss over economic justice. However, if you decide you want to add on to the chorus of "dem uppity social justice wimmin and minorities need ta shut up", then you will be challenged, especially as the Bernies and Trumpkas frankly are not falling for that. We want to walk forward together with you, we want to walk over the GOP that dopes want to walk over both opf us, but we will NOT walk behind you.

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 06:01 PM

3. I know that Sanders is trying to make money with his book tour,

but he is beginning to sound like an embittered sore loser.

Of course it doesn't help that the "clueless anchor" that the old white guy is "schooling" is a woman. Why am I not surprised by the obnoxious tone of Sanders's white male supporter's "report"?

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 06:04 PM

5. Beginning to?

I hope I see piles and piles of his damned book on the remainder table on December 26th.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 06:07 PM

7. Sanders book is only in it's first chapters. n/t

 

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 06:02 PM

4. who is this idiot?

One of the videos was removed earlier ( posted in the correct forum btw)
He's a Hillary hater and a Hillary supporter hater, so no use for him.

ETA: put my mouse on a section... saying Comey had nothing to do with it. Not true.

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Response to OKNancy (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 06:06 PM

6. His preferred candidate did not lead us to the most humiliating loss of the last century.

 

An idiot? Careful, I don't know how many more stones our glass house can withstand.

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 06:09 PM

9. I was nice all through the primary, never slammed Bernie or his supporters

and only posted positive things about Hillary.
I've had enough though. It was not a humiliating loss, that's just ridiculous.
Sanders is sounding like a real jerk lately and so are some of the busters... and it did go bust didn't it?

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Response to OKNancy (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 06:22 PM

12. It's shocking how quickly a constituency can go from irrelevant to culpable.

 

It's impossible to look to look forward to 2018 without having first learned the correct lessons of 2016.

Do you personally know anyone who changed his or her mind about the election due to Comey's letter?

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Response to OKNancy (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 06:28 PM

14. He announced this book in July 2016, and it was slated for release on November 15th.

I'm stupefied. I thought he was supposed to be campaigning for Hillary all that time, as some continue to insist he did? And given the topic of this book, was he actually rooting for her to lose?

Remember that guy he aligned himself with when he trotted off to the Vatican for that "speech", Jeffrey Sachs? Well, Sachs is the author of the controversial "Shock Therapy" doctrine, which of course has proven to be completely ineffective at helping countries in economic trouble (see this blog for a quick summary: http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?p=29888).

Did Bernie secretly (or not so secretly) want people who didn't vote for him to go through some 'shock therapy' of their own? And doesn't it seem highly unusual, at the very least, that he's got a book out about her supposedly awful campaign that was ready to go before the election was even over?

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 06:08 PM

8. I agree with Bernie but she was ahead 11 points in the polls before the

Comey letter came out. So to say the Comey letter didn't help swing the election is bullshit. Oh and
who is that foulmouthed asshole?

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 06:14 PM

10. Comey had a lot to do with Hillary losing. Simple as that.

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 06:16 PM

11. Dore can be a little too energetic, but that video was interesting. Thanks for posting it.

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Original post)

Thu Nov 24, 2016, 09:17 AM

18. Did Bernie mention that Trump thanked him for

all the ready made attacks on our nominee? Honesty and all... Dore is too much of a simpleton and clueless himself.

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Original post)

Thu Nov 24, 2016, 04:50 PM

21. Bernie is the man

Love the dude. If only he could have won the primary.

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