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My brother received this Apparent vote rigging in North CarolinaHello. I am sending this information anonymously in order to protect myself and my family.
I work for the North Carolina Department of Motor Vehicles. The whole DMV has been in a panic mode ever since the information came out about the missing voter registrations. I believe I know why because yesterday I uncovered evidence that people in the office of the Commissioner of Motor Vehicles in Raleigh caused the voter registration failures in just specific locations. It looks like it was not an accident and the person who led the registration failures looks to have been promoted for her work in this mess.
I have reason to fear retaliation if this information were to be linked back to me. I am sending this email to inform you of how this information can be gotten through freedom of information requests. I believe someone needs to get this quickly because already the DMV is ordering faster shredding of certain paper documents since the election.
Here are the details.
Starting back in February of 2016 the drivers license examiners in the DMV offices throughout the Charlotte area began reporting problems with the recording of new voter registrations. People in the primary elections began coming into these offices to complain that they did not get to vote because they were told they were not on the list of voters. I did not put the puzzle together until this information just came out about these missing registrations and suddenly there was so much panic from the Commissioners people this week.
The process happens as follows. Each examiner is told to have each customer sign paperwork indicating whether he or she is registering to vote or declining to register. The forms that are declined are filed right there in that office. However the forms that are for new voter registration are scanned into a system to be uploaded directly to Raleigh through a fancy fax machine.
In the Charlotte area these machines started giving an error message in February of 2016 when registrations were trying to be uploaded. The error message was SYSTEM ERROR, CONTACT ADMINISTRATOR. Examiners and supervisors from every office experiencing this problem contacted Tracy Bucholtz who was the Acting Director of DMV Programs and Liaison to the Board of Elections. Tracy Bucholtz repeatedly responded to these error warnings by stating that the registrations were still going through, and that the offices should continue to scan the documents nightly and to disregard the error message. Tracy Bucholtz reported directly to Commissioner Kelly Thomas who was appointed by Pat McCrory and she also appears to have been recently promoted just after the election. All of this is most suspicious now that we have just learned about all of the missing registrations.
We now know these registrations did not go through the upload because there was a real system error just as the machine said. We also know that Tracy Bucholtz had to know this because the numbers would not have matched in her databases but she said nothing was wrong. We learned this week this is untrue.
I have confirmed with several good DMV examiners in the Republican voting areas outside of Charlotte that this error message never occurred on their machines. I have confirmed that this error message did occur on the machines of many offices in the areas that are most upset about the new toll lanes on Interstate 77 and losing the basketball events. This is in Mecklenburg County and the Iredell County communities around the toll lanes.
Furthermore this error message ceased the week after the registration deadline for the November election. Poof. Suddenly no more error messages anywhere but now we are to shred more local documents after 30 days when it used to be 90 days. This was moved up just recently and the enforcement is suddenly strict.
Here are the items to get with a freedom of information request that will show how all of this happened and how the DMV commissioners office was part of it.
1. Pull the freedom of information records for all of Tracy Bucholtz emails from February of 2016 to the election and you will see all of her claims of no problems when we now know there were many problems. You will be able to track all of the office supervisors and examiners who were giving her the information about the error messages and the forms not uploading to Raleigh. You will see it was happening at only specific offices and not everywhere in the state.
2. Request all of the data logs from the DMV Issuance System from those same months. Records in this system will show how many affirmative voter registrations each individual examiner had at each DMV office. There will be much specific information in these records.
3. Request all of the records in the central database where the affirmative voter registrations are supposed to be processed over to the Board of Elections for final registration. You may wish to request this from the board of elections side as well.
If you do these things you will be able to track the missing registrations and see that there is no way Tracy Bulcholtz did not know the numbers did not match. The issuance system numbers will not match the central database numbers or records of what the board of elections received from DMV. You will see which DMV offices had missing registrations and which did not. From everything I have seen I feel most certain you will find the missing registrations come from areas where Pat McCrory had people who were most angry with him as Governor.
I just feel sick over all this corruption. We did not realize how big this was with the voter registrations until this information was just released about thousands of DMV voters not able to vote. We did not know we were being used to hurt voters. Many examiners have looked back at the old emails about this problem and have connected the dots but everybody is scared. We need an outside person to connect the dots.
Thank you for reviewing my message. I have determined it is my duty to blow the whistle on this matter.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]But it sure as hell is reason enough for a court order to stop any further shredding of documents and initiate a thorough investigation, don't you think?
Aimee in OKC
(158 posts)... and in other states.
As Optical Scan machines read a ballot, they capture an anonymous image of it.
Figure out which ones to review at https://www.verifiedvoting.org/verifier/
Send a certified FOIA request for those ballot images to the office in charge of the election. Follow up with a call. Go in person, with a couple of brand-new, still-wrapped flash drives and get downloads. Or ask they be posted online. Count the votes you're interested in. Disseminate the information.
1. Click on NC to go to: https://www.verifiedvoting.org/verifier/#year/2016/state/37
In the {clickable} map, it shows counties with only paper ballots, counties with a mix of paper ballots and DRE touchscreen, and counties with only DRE touchscreen.
Note: counties' ABSENTEE BALLOTS are paper and are counted by Optical Scan or by hand:
Elections Systems & Software {ES&S} = either the Model 100, Model 650, or DS200.
2. To see what NC uses, scroll down to "Search Equipment" dropdowns in lower left, select North Carolina, & 2016, and SEARCH. Note also at the number of precincts in each county.
3. To see the list of NC counties using which makes and models of Optical Scan machines = ES&S D200/ Model 100 / Model 650: select North Carolina, "Optical Scan" & 2016, and SEARCH.
4. Explore "Security Concerns" & "Important Notes" for those models used in NC: scroll down & select each one in turn & see their vulnerabilities.
ES&S D200 https://www.verifiedvoting.org/resources/voting-equipment/ess/ds200/
ES&S M 650 https://www.verifiedvoting.org/resources/voting-equipment/ess/m650/
ES&S M 100 https://www.verifiedvoting.org/resources/voting-equipment/ess/m100/
iVotronic https://www.verifiedvoting.org/resources/voting-equipment/ess/ivotronic/
5. See also other states' machines= in that "Search Equipment", select the state you want & SEARCH.
Obviously an anonymous post referencing an anonymous person on the internet is "proof" these days.
Apex812
(45 posts)Not foreign hackers from Russia.
alittlelark
(18,890 posts)Donald Trumps claim that the United States has "no idea" who is behind recent email hacks is just not true.
The fact-checking website Politifact says Hillary Clinton is correct when she says 17 federal intelligence agencies have concluded that Russia is behind the hacking.
We have 17, 17 intelligence agencies, civilian and military who have all concluded that these espionage attacks, these cyber attacks, come from the highest levels of the Kremlin. And they are designed to influence our election. I find that deeply disturbing, Clinton said during Wednesday's presidential debate in Las Vegas.
Trump pushed back, saying that Clinton and the United States had no idea whether it is Russia, China or anybody else.
But Clinton is correct. On Oct. 7, the Department of Homeland Security and Office of the Director of National Intelligence issued a joint statement on behalf of the U.S. Intelligence Community. The USIC is made up of 16 agencies, in addition to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)And it is much higher than we see.
Even Obama says basically, "forget it."
I smell a deeper rat than we suspect.. but what..?
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)If true
pangaia
(24,324 posts)They meaning... "THEM!"
All of THEM knows all. And THEM does NOT want WE to know.
nolabels
(13,133 posts)CrispyQ
(36,461 posts)Oh man, do I miss Carlin.
DK504
(3,847 posts)there is to much evidence to ignore and all the illegal voter suppression proves that the election should be over ruled? How can he possibly be sworn in if there has been so much corruption and theft of votes?
Baitball Blogger
(46,703 posts)yardwork
(61,599 posts)This is separate from other election issues. The NC GOP has flagrantly and transparently made multiple efforts to suppress the African American vote in NC.
Charlotte is NC's largest city. It has a large African American population.
elleng
(130,890 posts)'The Obama administration said on Friday that despite Russian attempts to undermine the presidential election, it has concluded that the results accurately reflect the will of the American people.
The statement came as liberal opponents of Donald J. Trump, some citing fears of vote hacking, are seeking recounts in three states Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania where his margin of victory was extremely thin.
A drive by Jill Stein, the Green Party candidate, for recounts in those states had brought in more than $5 million by midday on Friday, her campaign said, and had increased its goal to $7 million. She filed for a recount in Wisconsin on Friday, about an hour before the deadline.'>>>
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/25/us/politics/hacking-russia-election-fears-barack-obama-donald-trump.html?
Guess this not 'relevant' to OP story.
MFM008
(19,808 posts)To proffer a smooth transition.
It is however NOT our duty to turn our lives over to this fat ass bastard, thieving, psychotic, maggot without fighting
Tooth and nail.
elleng
(130,890 posts)but not in questionable circumstances AND, as you say, not to such as trump.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)lapucelle
(18,252 posts)not to avoid drama. The administration was under no duty to make a statement. It could have remained silent, but chose not to.
tomp
(9,512 posts)does the administration address specific concerns in depth or basically just say, "nothing to see here?"
elleng
(130,890 posts)'In its statement, the administration said, The Kremlin probably expected that publicity surrounding the disclosures that followed the Russian government-directed compromises of emails from U.S. persons and institutions, including from U.S. political organizations, would raise questions about the integrity of the election process that could have undermined the legitimacy of the president-elect.
Nevertheless, we stand behind our election results, which accurately reflect the will of the American people, it added.'
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)alittlelark
(18,890 posts)It's easy when our 'news media' ignores it.....
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)No one called out Trump for giving his loyalist an excuse to rig whatever they can, making them think the other side is doing it so they have to also.
PatSeg
(47,419 posts)Of course, I'm sure there are many republicans who already were planning on "rigging" the election, as we've seen this sort of thing before. Trump just gave them his 'seal of approval'.
Baitball Blogger
(46,703 posts)SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)it will be handled via the criminal courts...unfortunately, nothing could be done about the vote that just occurred.
Baitball Blogger
(46,703 posts)SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)LisaL
(44,973 posts)musicblind
(4,484 posts)Complete with collecting the required signatures, etc.
Regardless, the Democrats should have enough of a backbone to check into this.
yardwork
(61,599 posts)LisaL
(44,973 posts)While they are recounting that, maybe they can recount a presidential race.
jake335544
(53 posts)The Dems better get on NC recount now. After election night, it really started giving me memories of Florida 2000, where while we did drag out the outcome, we basically didn't fight hard enough. Gore's team told people in Florida to just give up before Republicans came in an ransacked the process.
tomp
(9,512 posts)BainsBane
(53,032 posts)Not vote rigging. But yes, not surprised. This is the problem when Democrats don't concentrate enough on state races and focus so much attention on the presidency. States run elections.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)It won't change the total vote count, because these people wouldn't have been able to vote.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)This is where we really need to concentrate. Work to change the suppression laws, while simultaneously working with individuals to help the determine whether or not their actually registered, ensuring that they are able to get required docs for photo IDs, etc.
Farmgirl1961
(1,493 posts)McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)drm604
(16,230 posts)This needs publicity.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Brad posted a good tweet:
Anxious to have his life back, Donald Trump donates $2 million to Jill Stein's recount efforts.
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Send in the Civil Rights Division.
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)When will the leaders recognize it?
yardwork
(61,599 posts)The Justice Dept will no longer investigate voter suppression, which is one way the GOP is stealing elections.
onecaliberal
(32,850 posts)Admin. Useless. The only thing they did was go after petty pot smokers.
world wide wally
(21,742 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,146 posts)have been plotting to regain their colonies in America for centuries.
It's not a daily theme, but goes in and out with the political winds
and world events. Happened during the Civil War, foreign powers
aligned with the Confederacy. So the latest should not surprise us.
The GOP is more allied with international capitalists, globalist CEOs,
mining, oil, coal, churches who are against government unless it
can be used for tax or congregation expansion, libertarians, the far
right than it is with a strong United States of America. Government is
their enemy in many cases.
So this doesn't surprise me. They have operatives who agree with them,
and who can be bought, or bought off. Choke points is where elections
are stolen. Centralized strategy.
Bad Dog
(2,025 posts)The biggest threat to democracy is America turning Britain into the 51st State. We don't have any troops in America, you have military bases in the UK. It's high time they were closed down.
bucolic_frolic
(43,146 posts)You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
Bad Dog
(2,025 posts)America is a superpower, there's no way on Earth European nations could regain their former colonies even if they wanted to. It's nonsense peddled by the gun lobby to encourage gun sales. The threat of Britain becoming the 51st state is very real, the Brexit vote was the first step.
More relevant today than when it was written.
Beneath the old iron bridges, across the Victorian parks and all the frightened people running home before dark
Past the saturday morning cinema that lies crumbling to the ground
And the piss stinking shopping centre in the new side of town
I've come to smell the seasons change and watch the city as the sun goes down again
Here comes another winter of long shadows and high hopes
Here comes another winter, waitin' for utopia, waitin' for hell to freeze over
This is the land, where nothing changes
The land of red buses and blue blooded babies
This is the place, where pensioners are raped and the hearts are being cut from the welfare state
Let the poor drink the milk, while the rich eat the honey
Let the bums count their blessings, while they count the money
So many people, can't express what's on their minds, nobody knows them and nobody ever will
Until their backs are broken and their dreams are stolen
And they can't get what they want, then they're gonna get angry
Well it ain't written in the papers but it's written on the walls, he way this country is divided to fall
So the cranes are moving on the skyline, tryin' to knock down this town
But the stains on the heartland can never be removed from this country that's sick, sad, and confused
Here comes another winter, of long shadows and high hopes
Here comes another winter, waitin' for utopia, waitin' for hell to freeze over
The ammunition's being passed (This is the 51st state), and the lord's been praised
But the wars on the televisions will never be explained
All the bankers getting' sweaty (This is the 51st state) beneath their white collars
As the pound in our pocket turns into a dollar
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This is the 51st state of the U.S.A. (U.S.A.)
This is the 51st state of the U.S.A.
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bonniebgood
(940 posts)and vote counting This WILL continue to happen. We must get rid of machine recording our votes.
Paper ballots please. Hand written and signed.
Scruffy1
(3,256 posts)With the R's controlling a majority of state governments, the federal branch and the Supremes they are safe With the current regime you will get no help from the feds so who you going to run to. We have neither the time or the money for a long drawn out court case. They have enough money and lawyers to stifle any investigation for many, many years. Also they own the The options seem to be leave the country, bow down to the fascists, or massive resistance. Postcards and emails won't fix this. Only massive organizing and resistance will stop them. The only silver lining is that an asshole who was not part of the plan got the Presidency through their corrupt machine. These electoral fraud schemes have been in operation for many years and all their schemes shave a little off. Limiting poling for Democratic areas resulting in long waits, purging voters, spoiled ballots in Democratic areas, sending election results through a Republican controlled server, and illegal misinformation have been going on for years and nothing has changed. I'm voting for massive resistance. Like Bannon said they are honey badgers and they don't give a shit about postcards, letters or peaceful protests.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Because the governor race is close, they did go back and check those provisional ballots. If the voter had visited DMV at some point, their votes were counted.
We have multiple voter protection groups working on the recount in NC. Pretty sure if this was a legit claim, we would have heard from them already.
BSdetect
(8,998 posts)This country is seriously warped in election processes distorted by states.
For fuck's sake this has to be stopped.
rladdi
(581 posts)government in USA. The GOP could have complete control of our nation, including the states within the next 4 years. That means laws can be changed to fit their agenda, voter rights disappear. We would be another nation run like Russia.
The American people better wake up because they are on a destructive path for the USA.
It really strange they are electing a party who has almost destroy America, under G. Bush.
triron
(21,999 posts)explanation (clarification) of bottom graph (results-exit polls, etc)
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)triron
(21,999 posts)Results? Whose? Exit polls? for which candidate. Implication does not make sense if assume HRC actual result and exit poll result(opposite of what I would have expected). Seems to indicate she did better in swing states than predicted by exit polls which I know is nonsense.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)20 states are sorted red to blue and labeled. The lines are simplified tendencies of the bars, redder states have more red shift. Almost every election result is a red shift, normal (matching the polls) is the y = 0 axis. Along the x axis are the 20 states with Senate races contested. There is a mean 4.7% red shift from the exit polls, and a mean 2.4% red shift from the averaged pre-election polls.
The battleground states had the most rigorous polling, with 13,502 respondents in the exit polls. These states have the lowest margins of error in all their polling, and their close agreement is impressive, doubling suspicions about the vote count.
Another suspicious aspect is how massive and unprecedented the red shift is. Now that the above is all explained, read this comparison to the 2004 exit polls also:
triron
(21,999 posts)calculation where I assumed a binary value for exit poll vs actual result (e'g. heads if favor Clinton, tails if favor Trump --or vice versa--doesn't matter). In 24 out of 28 states where exit polling was done results favor Trump (some by significant percentage points --e.g. Ohio (+8.5)). Assuming a simple binary model the probablility is 28!/(24!4!)/(2 to power of 28)
or about 7.67E-5 (less than 1 chance in 10,000)
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)duhneece
(4,112 posts)But maybe he's ore into reporting, maybe Amy Goodman
Mr. Evil
(2,841 posts)Are you there? We've heard nothing from you. Are you on vacation? Hello?