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Tue Dec 13, 2016, 01:55 PM

This is really beginning to resemble Watergate.

I remember the early Washington Post rumblings which were loudly discredited by Nixon mouthpiece Ron Ziegler and other republicans. Finally, after more and more damning crap trickled out there were enough pressured republican senators to agree to hearings which were TELEVISED. The whole country watched. We all knew Nixon ordered the break in and it was just a matter of time before the truth came out (thank you Mr. Magnetic Tape).
However, I don't have the same hopefulness about today's dilemma. The Trump Machine is very ruthless and powerful. I guess the question now is does the public care enough about the Good ol' USA to turn against the beloved Con Man? And do our GOP representatives (including the "college electors" care enough about the future of our country to do the right thing and demand action? Or is loyalty to the coming dictator more important?.

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Reply This is really beginning to resemble Watergate. (Original post)
Chipper Chat Dec 2016 OP
triron Dec 2016 #1
Achilleaze Dec 2016 #2
Chipper Chat Dec 2016 #3
global1 Dec 2016 #4
enough Dec 2016 #5
CanonRay Dec 2016 #8
virtualobserver Dec 2016 #6
Chipper Chat Dec 2016 #13
LovingA2andMI Dec 2016 #32
LovingA2andMI Dec 2016 #37
Blanks Dec 2016 #7
Chipper Chat Dec 2016 #9
La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #41
Glimmer of Hope Dec 2016 #10
unblock Dec 2016 #11
MBS Dec 2016 #12
CountAllVotes Dec 2016 #14
MBS Dec 2016 #15
CountAllVotes Dec 2016 #18
kentuck Dec 2016 #16
Wellstone ruled Dec 2016 #17
LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #19
doc03 Dec 2016 #20
Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #25
KingCharlemagne Dec 2016 #29
Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #35
jimlup Dec 2016 #21
C Moon Dec 2016 #22
Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #26
NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #30
JI7 Dec 2016 #23
Paladin Dec 2016 #24
Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #28
Paladin Dec 2016 #33
duffyduff Dec 2016 #38
Paladin Dec 2016 #39
IthinkThereforeIAM Dec 2016 #27
relayerbob Dec 2016 #31
triron Dec 2016 #34
Coyotl Dec 2016 #36
Orsino Dec 2016 #40
LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #42

Response to Chipper Chat (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 01:58 PM

1. Good assessment.

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Response to Chipper Chat (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 01:59 PM

2. "I am not a Pooty Poot Puppet." - Comrade Casino (R)

"Oh, and I, um, did not have electoral treason with that Evil Empire, Russia." - Comrade Casino (R - Family Values)

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Response to Achilleaze (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 02:01 PM

3. DUZY

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Response to Chipper Chat (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 02:04 PM

4. During Watergate - We Had A Press That Had Journalistic Integrity......

I'm talking about Woodward and Bernstein and newspapers that dug down for the truth. We also had 'Deep Throat' a person that - in my opinion - was a true patriot - that risked his career and life to take down Nixon. We also had Party (Repug) notables that put the country before partisanship and went to the WH and put pressure on Nixon (one of their own) to resign.

Look at what we have today. Need I say more?

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Response to global1 (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 02:06 PM

5. We also had some republicans in government with actual principles who acted

honorably during the process.

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Response to enough (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 02:10 PM

8. We are sorely lacking in both areas today, sadly.

I'm not hopeful the truth will come out.

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Response to global1 (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 02:09 PM

6. Republicans with integrity are practically nonexistent today

 

There are no journalists with gravitas today.

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 02:17 PM

13. Keith Olbermann is out there - very brave and outspoken on GQ

but he is shouting from the floor of the Pacific Ocean.

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Response to Chipper Chat (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 04:58 PM

32. Which is why Keith...

Needs to GET BACK on Television, however, no MSM Network will hire him as they are all in Cheeto Trumpskin's Ass....

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Response to Chipper Chat (Reply #13)

Wed Dec 14, 2016, 12:29 AM

37. Which is why Keith...

Needs to GET BACK on Television, however, no MSM Network will hire him as they are all in Cheeto Trumpskin's Ass....

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Response to global1 (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 02:09 PM

7. What we have now may even be better...

They don't seem to care who they're making the money off.

If it's sensational, they'll run it. I'm seeing push back in shows where they just gave Trump a pass.

They'll tear him down as soon as something concrete emerges.

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Response to global1 (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 02:12 PM

9. A stark contrast in conscience between two Indiana politicians:

William Ruckleshaus and Mike Pence.
And any reporter today who would dare uncover the smoking gun on Trump would be immediately "DanRathered."

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Response to global1 (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 14, 2016, 10:03 AM

41. There are many journalists with integrity today

 

Several spring to mind from wapo, nytimes, and vox. The fact that people eschew print journalism in favor of tv journalism, is the bigger issue.

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Response to Chipper Chat (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 02:15 PM

10. Trump is such a loose cannon and not politically savvy so I imagine if his fingerprints are on this

they won't be difficult to find.

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Response to Chipper Chat (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 02:15 PM

11. republicans learned many valuable lesson from watergate

don't record anything, don't admit anything, lie bigger and bigger, distract by accusing democrats of the same or worse, get outraged over nothing, tilt the playing field with disenfranchisement laws, steal elections with the court, etc.

... and stop with the dirty tricks and crimes. yeah, right!

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Response to Chipper Chat (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 02:16 PM

12. Much, much worse than Watergate. n/t

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Response to MBS (Reply #12)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 02:30 PM

14. +1,000 !!

A hell of a lot scarier than Watergate! We've been sold out lock stock and barrel!

Damn them, damn them all!!!



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Response to CountAllVotes (Reply #14)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 02:32 PM

15. I've been angry and disgusted, plenty of time.

But this is the first time I've been truly terrified.

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Response to MBS (Reply #15)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 02:44 PM

18. We have every right to be terrified

We have the fucking anti-Christ at the helm!





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Response to Chipper Chat (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 02:35 PM

16. I remember Watergate...

This is much worse.

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Response to Chipper Chat (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 02:36 PM

17. If evidence of bugging of

 

DNC office is proved,holy crap kiddies. Remember,one of the Spook Agencies alluded to that during the Summer. The office was swept twice,only finding evidence that a recording device had been present some 8-10 feet from Donna Brazzile's Office door. There were fake Volunteers who infiltrated this office. With all of the hustle and bustle around these Offices,phonies try to join in. This might be the soaking gun.

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Response to Chipper Chat (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 03:06 PM

19. knr. nt

 

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Response to Chipper Chat (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 03:30 PM

20. I remember Watergate this is x10. Nixon didn't conspire with an enemy

leader to get elected president.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #20)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 04:41 PM

25. well, didn't he have secret negotiations on the Vietnam war -- some secret deal to end the war

 

that never happened?

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Response to doc03 (Reply #20)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 04:45 PM

29. Nixon did that in 1968, with Claire Chennault and van Thieu. LBJ had the

 

goods on Tricky Dick but couldn't go public . . . Because LBJ used illegal wiretaps to get the goods.

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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #29)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 06:12 PM

35. right-- thanks for the reminder!

 

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Response to Chipper Chat (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 03:43 PM

21. Much worse that Watergate

because the Republican majority in congress will now circle the wagons. Further, the fate of the country and in fact the world hangs in the balance. That wasn't as much the case back in the '70's.

That didn't really happen that way during watergate. They tried and failed.

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Response to Chipper Chat (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 03:59 PM

22. A big difference is Republicans control both houses...

and Republicans are about as American as Putin—they won't vote against themselves; So everything will be swept under the carpet.

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Response to C Moon (Reply #22)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 04:42 PM

26. yep... fascism, here we come!!!

 

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Response to C Moon (Reply #22)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 04:46 PM

30. That would give them President Pence, though

However, I generally agree - I looked it up the other day. Democrats held the Senate by a 58-42 margin and had somewhere a little north of 250 seats in the House.

To charge Nixon, the Democrats only needed a simple majority in the House and would have needed to swing only 9 out of 42 Republican votes to convict.

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Response to Chipper Chat (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 04:12 PM

23. far worse than watergate but media is worse than then

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Response to Chipper Chat (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 04:21 PM

24. By the time this is over, Watergate will seem like a quaint political incident.

At no time did the Watergate hearings and revelations make me fear for the very existence of the United States. Watergate never made me consider the possibility of mass, armed uprisings against a dangerous regime. I think that's exactly where we're headed.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #24)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 04:44 PM

28. Nixon was plenty creepy with the Vietnam war going on and the cold war backdrop

 

but you're right, I don't think there was the imminent threat of an overtly fascist regime with Nixon. I think the big thing to watch for will be whether Trump tries to use troops to deport immigrants. If there is any sign of that, we are screwed beyond belief.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #28)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 04:58 PM

33. Nixon was a shrewd politician, with a great deal of government experience.

For all his vast faults, he knew how the game was played, and when his own party turned against him, he bowed out. Contrast that with what we're facing, now.

I talked to an old friend of mine recently. He was distraught because he's gay and he's rightfully fearful of reprisals against the LGBT community by Trump and his goon followers. I ended up offering him and his partner sanctuary and protection, should things end up as bad as that. In my worst nightmares, I never imagined having to take such an action in this country. God help us all.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #33)

Wed Dec 14, 2016, 12:34 AM

38. He was a mentally ill, treasonous bastard and worse than Trump because he had a brain.

 

Please don't try to sugarcoat Nixon. He was the worst president we ever had in this country. What he did sabotaging the Paris Peace Talks and then stretching out the Vietnam War for four more goddamned years just so he could be elected and re-elected president is truly beyond the pale.

Trump isn't in the White House yet.

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Response to duffyduff (Reply #38)

Wed Dec 14, 2016, 08:52 AM

39. I'll just restrain myself and suggest you back the fuck off. (nt)

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Response to Chipper Chat (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 04:44 PM

27. Watergate was a trial run, so to speak...


... from which all this other, "office snooping", has sprung.

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Response to Chipper Chat (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 04:55 PM

31. No, as bad as that was

.. this is MUCH worse

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Response to relayerbob (Reply #31)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 05:07 PM

34. Agree

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Response to Chipper Chat (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 06:18 PM

36. Not really.

 

Unless you think Trump was the hacker. I know it wasn't Nixon.

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Response to Chipper Chat (Original post)

Wed Dec 14, 2016, 09:55 AM

40. Watergate was a bunch of amateurs...

...pursued by a press corps still somewhat invested in uncovering truth.

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Response to Orsino (Reply #40)

Wed Dec 14, 2016, 10:43 AM

42. this. nt

 

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