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By Agence France-Presse
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 19:07 EST
The assault weapons ban proposed by US President Barack Obama on Wednesday faces quicksand in Congress, where Republicans are in a position to defeat any such a measure.
Instead, lawmakers in the House and Senate could address some of Obamas other proposals, including a universal background check for all gun purchases and a ban on high-capacity magazines.
The debate comes in the aftermath of last months tragic shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut that left 20 children and six adults dead.
Democratic Senator Dianne Feinstein is preparing to introduce a bill next Thursday that would ban assault weapons like the one used in Newtown.
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Scuba
(53,475 posts)Not saying it won't happen, but even with a democratic congress it would be difficult. There are many a "red state" democrat that won't particularly enjoy voting for such a thing.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)... put up barriers to ending our gun violence problem - of either party - is in serious trouble.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)There are significant areas in the country where Sandy Hook hasn't changed a single mind on this issue.
LiberalFighter
(50,912 posts)Target the message to mothers especially that the weasel dicks they generally support don't care if their children are killed. One more demographic that Republicans overall should lose. And put the fear of GOD in the DINO's. Hopefully replace those DINO's with better Democrats.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)that value assault rifles over the lives of children.
It's a religion.
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)I know a lot of people don't get it, but there are A LOT of democrats in split or right leaning districts who, if they were to vote for ANYTHING even remotely related to gun's, that will face millions of dollars in ads two years from now, when Sandy Hook will be a VERY distant memory. Also, sorry, mid term election ... They will push the HE/SHE took our GUNS to stoke their crew to coming to vote while democrats sleep walk through it.
You want to EXPAND the republican majority in the House, have a vote on any firearm legislation.
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)There are A LOT of democrats in the House who want NOTHING to do with any kind of gun legislation.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)I still don't get the impulse here.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)You really need to stop falling for it.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)You complain about gun people inundating the board with technical details, but this is one that we do actually know, and is kind of important.
The AWB is specifically not a ban based on firepower. It does not say "you cannot have a weapon that can fire more than X rounds in Y seconds".
It says "if you have a weapon that can fire X rounds in Y seconds, it must look like this."
You really, really are just factually wrong here.
That's why Lanza's rifle was legal under the 94 Federal ban and the current Connecticut ban, and will be legal under Feinstein's proposed ban if they put a differently-shaped grip on it. It's a stupid law.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)... but that doesn't mean it has to stay that way.
Many gunners argue that the AR-15 is not an "assault weapon" while advertisers claim that it is. The NRA can't have it both ways.
Frankly nobody except gunners cares what you call them. Hopefully future legislation will be crafted so that the hair-splitting over definitions is put to rest. Why are you keeping it alive?
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)Senate Democratic leadership sources tell CNN that passing any new legislation will be extremely difficult because more than a dozen vulnerable Democrats from conservative states will probably resist much of what the president is pushing.
These Democratic sources say the most likely legislation to pass will be strengthening background checks, since it is the least overt form of gun control and it also appeals to gun rights advocates' emphasis on keeping guns away from people with mental health and criminal problems.
Democratic leadership sources say they intend to spend next week -- the first week the Senate is in session -- canvassing red-state Democrats to see what, if anything, is doable. Democratic senators who advocate various gun control measures will be lobbying their colleagues as well.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/16/politics/senate-democrats-gun-legislation/index.html
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)the House will be worse because they ALL will be up for election in two years.
They likely would have at least 30 or more Ds in the House whose worst nightmare is a gun related bill.
BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)Too many Democrats from red states where gun ownership (and thus NRA membership) is astronomical. West Virginia, Colorado, Montana, North Dakota, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Nevada...the list goes on and on.
This isn't a battle we can win (God knows we've tried again and again over the past 50 years) and pursuing it will only result in a galvanized right-wing and a weakened President Obama. While I totally support anti-gun laws, I'm not willing to sacrifice everything else we've worked so hard to achieve just to try and get a half-dozen types of weapons temporarily banned.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Even if the filibuster rule was changed enough Ds in the Senate will side with the Republicans and kill it. It's DOA on both sides.
It is sad if absolutely nothing comes out of this. Obama has done what he can, but with Congress holding us hostage at gunpoint (literally) there is nothing else to do.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)If this were a ban of guns that can fire a lot of rounds very quickly, I'd be for it. What this is is a set of rules about how those guns can look. I don't care. Not worth spending any energy on it.
Paladin
(28,255 posts)We're talking about the looks of guns designed for killing game animals, and guns designed to kill people, and the vast difference in the emotions that the two sorts of firearms set off. A venerable Winchester Model 70 bolt-action hunting rifle, with its conventional wooden stock, comparatively slow action, and limited magazine capacity, does not trigger the sort of sick fantasies as does a Bushmaster AR-15 assault rifle, with its military styling, rapid semi-automatic action, plastic stock, large-capacity magazine, and history of usage in mass shootings. For proof of this, you need look no further than DU's very own Gun Control/RKBA group---lotsa luck finding anything remotely like regular discussions of hunting guns, as opposed to the non-stop concentration on guns designed to kill human beings. For an overpowering dose of the sort of dangerous thinking I'm talking about, check into the online sites dedicated solely to AR-15's or AK-47's. You'll want to take a shower after exposing yourself to the dialogs in such places.
Recursion, I think you're fully aware of what's going on, and that you're doing your part to spread the new "Cosmetics Don't Matter" gun activist talking point. That's alright---just don't assume that you're fooling everybody.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)We're talking about a law regulating how semi-automatic weapons with detachable magazines can look. Nobody's worried about bolt action rifles.
So we're talking about a wood-finished semi-automatic with a traditional grip vs. a black-finished semi-automatic with a pistol grip, both of which take detachable magazines. Both can fire at exactly the same rates. Your claim is that the appearance of the black one with the pistol grip inspires people to use it criminally, while they wouldn't use the equally-capable traditional-looking rifle that way. I personally find that difficult to believe. I could be wrong (it seems stupid that putting a suicide barrier up on only one side of a bridge stops suicides from both sides, but empirically we see this), but I'd need some sort of evidence for this and I don't see any (mass shooters prefer handguns, just like every other class of criminal shooter).
For proof of this, you need look no further than DU's very own Gun Control/RKBA group---lotsa luck finding anything remotely like regular discussions of hunting guns, as opposed to the non-stop concentration on guns designed to kill human beings
If by "hunting guns" you mean bolt-action guns, I'll grant that, but nobody in the country is worried about them. I'm asking why you think it's worthwhile to try to make semi-automatic guns look more like hunting guns (which, let's be honest, is what you're trying to do).
Paladin
(28,255 posts)I stand by my original comments. How you misinterpret and twist them is your burden to bear.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Sounds good to me. I have no interest in regulating what a rifle can look like.