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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 09:52 AM Mar 2013

Sen. Rand Paul introduces ‘fetal personhood’ bill to outlaw abortion

By Eric W. Dolan
Sunday, March 17, 2013 11:25 EDT

Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) on Friday introduced so-called “fetal personhood” legislation that would completely outlaw abortion in the United States.

The Life at Conception Act would declare that human life began at conception, providing fertilized eggs with the same legal status as born persons.

“The Life at Conception Act legislatively declares what most Americans believe and what science has long known – that human life begins at the moment of conception, and therefore is entitled to legal protection from that point forward,” Paul said in a statement. “ The right to life is guaranteed to all Americans in the Declaration of Independence and ensuring this is upheld is the Constitutional duty of all Members of Congress.”

In a fundraising video for the National Pro-Life Alliance last year, the Republican senator explained that the bill would outlaw abortion without contradicting the Supreme Court’s landmark Roe v. Wade decision. Citing the ruling, Paul claimed Congress had the power to define when human life began under the 14th Amendment to the Constitution.

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Sen. Rand Paul introduces ‘fetal personhood’ bill to outlaw abortion (Original Post) DonViejo Mar 2013 OP
Fuck Rand Paul, and his dad, and all of his supporters. nt geek tragedy Mar 2013 #1
No thanks volstork Mar 2013 #9
My wife's Question: So basically if a woman has a miscarriage before she knew she was pregnant diabeticman Mar 2013 #2
In other countries, yes Stargazer09 Mar 2013 #5
Delusional shitsack. Fortunately, it'll never see the light of day. Arkana Mar 2013 #3
how libertarian of him tk2kewl Mar 2013 #4
Pro-choice groups should relabel this bill "The Criminalize Miscarriage and Contracepton Bill" Larkspur Mar 2013 #6
+1. historylovr Mar 2013 #8
Libertarians locks Mar 2013 #7
And yet they call themselves constitutional conservatives ... Bake Mar 2013 #10
he's such a slimy shitbag fizzgig Mar 2013 #11
Let's encourage someone to add an amendment that extends "personhood" to people who have been born. Aristus Mar 2013 #12
I can't wait until their heads explode when someone explains to them MurrayDelph Mar 2013 #13
SWEET! TexasBushwhacker Mar 2013 #14
I brought up your second point on DU a couple of years ago Iris Mar 2013 #16
What a joke! Jamaal510 Mar 2013 #15
Typewriter Boy is supposed to be a doctor? Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #17
Where are all the #StandwithRand folks now?...nt SidDithers Mar 2013 #18
Sill supporting him. His position on the one or two issues they care about hasn't changed. great white snark Mar 2013 #19
never mind that that selfsame constitution refers to "persons born" in two places. CTyankee Mar 2013 #20
where it will die in the senate warrior1 Mar 2013 #21
He just flat out lies gollygee Mar 2013 #22

diabeticman

(3,121 posts)
2. My wife's Question: So basically if a woman has a miscarriage before she knew she was pregnant
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 10:08 AM
Mar 2013

OR even after she found out does this mean the FEDERAL government or state government will be charging the woman with murder?


Will we see cops and DAs analyzing every detail of a woman's life to see if she should be charged with first degree murder or second degree murder?


I bet the for profit prison system would love this bill.


Yes, my wife doesn't believe it will pass this time BUT she is demanding to know how many times is she going to have to worry about passage or failure because of the way some states like Mississippi are leaning toward "The Dark Ages".

Stargazer09

(2,132 posts)
5. In other countries, yes
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 11:08 AM
Mar 2013

Some women suspected of getting an illegal abortion are sent to prison, even if they actually had a natural miscarriage.

It's a slippery slope. Did the mother take an overdose of birth control pills? An herbal tea containing a known abortifacient? Did she use a coat hanger? Or did her body just naturally reject the baby? In a world like ours today, especially in places where abortion is illegal and punishable by jail time or fines, women may have to choose between seeking health care or avoiding punishment.

It's sad that our lives mean so little to those people making the laws.

 

Larkspur

(12,804 posts)
6. Pro-choice groups should relabel this bill "The Criminalize Miscarriage and Contracepton Bill"
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 11:20 AM
Mar 2013

because that is what it would end up doing.

locks

(2,012 posts)
7. Libertarians
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 12:39 PM
Mar 2013

We don't see many of those hypocritical libertarians planning to raise taxes to care for those millions of unwanted fetal persons.

Bake

(21,977 posts)
10. And yet they call themselves constitutional conservatives ...
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 01:50 PM
Mar 2013

Obviously they know nothing about the Constitution.

Bake

Aristus

(66,344 posts)
12. Let's encourage someone to add an amendment that extends "personhood" to people who have been born.
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 03:47 PM
Mar 2013

And make it illegal to deprive them of food, medical care, day care, shelter, education, and economic opportunity.

MurrayDelph

(5,294 posts)
13. I can't wait until their heads explode when someone explains to them
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 05:34 PM
Mar 2013

that if their bill goes through, they will no longer be able to deport pregnant undocumented women because their baby is already an American.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,186 posts)
14. SWEET!
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 07:28 PM
Mar 2013

Will men that assault a pregnant woman be charged with child abuse, which usually caries a stiffer sentence than assault of an adult?

If a pregnant woman miscarries in a car accident that was the other driver's fault, will that driver be charged with manslaughter?

Iris

(15,653 posts)
16. I brought up your second point on DU a couple of years ago
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 01:54 AM
Mar 2013

and some actually replied that, why yes, yes, they should be charged.


Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
15. What a joke!
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 11:11 PM
Mar 2013

A bill to outlaw abortion? Coming from a self-described libertarian? People like him and his father ruin the meaning of the word liberty. And I'm nowhere near being a supporter of theirs, but I'll bet that even I'm more of a libertarian than both of them COMBINED. You can't honestly call yourself an advocate for freedom and/or civil liberties if you not only oppose gay rights, but also restrict what women can do with their own bodies. The only policy that the Paul family pushes that is even remotely close to libertarianism is enforcing drug laws on a state-by-state basis, rather than federally. And even that policy does not call for complete legalization of drugs.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
17. Typewriter Boy is supposed to be a doctor?
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:55 AM
Mar 2013

Somebody needs to tell him that a whole lot of zygotes never implant. And ectopic pregnancies. The Fallopian tube must be removed so the woman does not die when the zygote implants in the tube. Certain death without surgery.

Who's gonna pay for the Kotex Police???? They did this in some country in Central America.

He doesn't know about the children in Romanian orphanages that were doomed to never have a life, when Ceausescu outlawed abortion?

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
22. He just flat out lies
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 10:49 AM
Mar 2013

Most people don't believe that, and science hasn't "long known" it either. It is his opinion. Not just his, but it isn't the opinion of "most people" either. Most people are pro-choice to some extent or another.

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