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illegaloperation

(260 posts)
Mon May 20, 2013, 01:38 PM May 2013

NC Democrats seek footing on unfamiliar terrain



RALEIGH — This time Jim Hunt will not be available to rescue the North Carolina Democratic Party.

It is a role that Hunt, the former four-term governor, has often played, bailing out Tar Heel Democrats when they hit troubled waters. He did it in the early 1970s and again in the early 1990s, restoring Democratic rule after Republican governors. But approaching his 75th birthday next month, Hunt has aged out of the political rescue business.

The Democratic Party, many of whose leaders gathered Saturday for its annual Jefferson-Jackson Day fundraising dinner at the Raleigh Convention Center, is in deeper trouble than in the past.

As the party in power, Republicans have drawn themselves favorable legislative and congressional districts. They control the levers to special interest money. They also seem poised to make the election machinery more favorable to them by adopting voter ID laws, shortening early voting, abolishing Sunday voting and ending same-day registration.

The Democrats, meanwhile, are struggling to gain footing on unfamiliar political terrain. They must find new leadership. They must learn to fashion a relevant message as a minority party. They must learn to organize in the post-Obama campaign era. And they must find a way to raise money.

“This is too divided a state for total one-party control to last long,” said Gary Pearce, a veteran Democratic strategist for Hunt and others. “But I don’t think Democrats can just count on the balance righting itself. I think the Democrats will have to do a whole lot. They have an awfully long way to go to come back.”

And so far, they don’t have anyone to lead them out of the wilderness. The boomer generation of Democrats that was supposed to take over from Hunt has largely fallen to scandal or defeat. Michael Bitzer, a political science professor at Catawba College, calls this a “generational moment” when the baton is passed.

“I think you are probably going to see more of an urban, perhaps suburban, kind of Democrat ... because that is where the power base of the party is now located,” Bitzer said.

Some say the leadership could come from the likes of Charlotte Mayor Anthony Foxx, Rep. Deborah Ross of Raleigh, former state Sens. Eric Mansfield of Fayetteville and Cal Cunningham of Lexington, former Rep. Grier Martin of Raleigh, and state Treasurer Janet Cowell of Raleigh. But so far, it is unclear who that individual might be.

A three-cycle strategy

The road back could begin with the difficult re-election campaign next year of U.S. Sen. Kay Hagan – just as it did in 1998 when John Edwards, a Democratic political newcomer, won an upset over Republican incumbent Lauch Faircloth. The victory came during a voter backlash against the GOP’s impeachment effort of Democratic President Bill Clinton.

Democrats are again counting on voter backlash – this time against the Republican-controlled legislature, which they believe has moved too far to the right on a raft of issues, including cuts to schools and universities, and efforts to make it harder to vote.

Those issues could play out in the Senate race, where two of Hagan’s potential opponents – House Speaker Thom Tillis and Senate leader Phil Berger – are legislative leaders. But Democrats also think they can begin regaining legislative seats, particularly in suburbs where moderate voters live.

“The Republican Party is not just a conservative party,” Pearce said. “It is a very, very conservative party. That is where a majority of Republicans are. That is not where swing voters in the suburbs of Wake County and Mecklenburg County are. So there is an opportunity for Democrats.”

Ross, the Raleigh Democrat, sees the intensity and anger building among Democrats and independents as the flip side of the tea party movement that grew out of the conservative reaction to President Barack Obama’s first two years in office.

“I don’t think people knew how much was at stake,” Ross said. “Right now that is a message that is resonating not only with Democrats, but with independents, unaffiliateds, and I’m hearing more and more from Republicans. We have that message now, and people are believing us, given what is going on around here.”

That was reflected in the good-size crowds that attended the Jefferson-Jackson Dinner to hear Massachusetts Sen. William “Mo” Cowan, a North Carolina native, Saturday night, and at a breakfast at the North Raleigh Hilton to hear Rep. Gwen Moore of Wisconsin.

State Democratic Chairman Randy Voller, mayor of Pittsboro, said Democrats are devising a plan to recapture the legislature over three election cycles – though they hope to accomplish the task sooner.

“We are not going to get it all back in 2014,” Voller said Saturday. “So the gains we are going to have to make are over the 2014, 2016 and 2018 (elections) in the House and the Senate.”

Rep. Larry Hall of Durham, the minority leader, told the Democratic breakfast Saturday that the goal in 2014 is to win back seven House seats from Republicans. That would cut the GOP margin in the House from 77-43 to 70-50.

Accomplishing that will be expensive, and so far, the special interest money is flowing mostly to Republicans as the party in power. Meanwhile, the current Democratic leadership, Hall and Sen. Martin Nesbitt of Asheville, have yet to prove as adept as their predecessors, Marc Basnight and Tony Rand, at raising big money.

In addition, most of the big-time donors in the state who are interested in politics, such as Art Pope of Raleigh and Fred Eshelman of Wilmington, tend to donate to Republican or conservative causes.

“The best thing that could happen is if we had a Bloomberg-type figure,” said state Sen. Dan Blue of Raleigh, a former House speaker, referring to New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a billionaire who gives to Democratic causes. “But short of that we need to figure out creative ways to raise the resources to get a broader message out to people to what is really happening and how it is affecting them.”

Voller said that while special interest money is now flowing to Republicans, the party can still go after “very strong ideologically driven” donors. He said Obama successfully raised a campaign war chest in 2004 with a similar strategy. He said anger over the Republican legislature would help the party in its task.

Capitalizing on GOP errors

There are some who think Democrats should just wait for some of the swing districts to become more Democratic; others say they just need to wait for Republican missteps.

“You have to take advantage of every misstep the Republicans make,” said Thomas Mills, a Democrat consultant. “But long-term, Democrats have to figure out who they are and what they stand for. That is a conversation that I hope is starting to happen now.”

He said Democrats have to offer a positive program and look for ways to work constructively with Republicans. For example, McCrory is proposing to change North Carolina’s tax system, and Democrats should look for ways to reform it without it disproportionally hurting the poor or middle class.

“The difficulty whenever you’re in a minority is to make yourself look and feel relevant,” Mills said. “That is hard to do. (The Democrats) have to make the case that they are the party of moderation and growth.”

The Democrats believe North Carolina remains a moderate swing state.

The data tend to back them up. In 2000, 38 percent of North Carolinians considered themselves conservative, 46 percent moderate, and 16 percent liberal. In 2012, 40 percent considered themselves conservative, 38 percent moderate, and 22 percent liberal, according to exit polls collected by North Carolina DataNet.

And while Republicans won nine of 13 congressional seats, North Carolina voters cumulatively voted 51 percent to 49 percent for Democratic congressional candidates.

While the Republicans won 66 percent of the state Senate seats, they won 53 percent of the popular vote in those races. While the GOP won 64 percent of the state House seats, they won 51 percent of the popular vote in those races. Their big sweep was more a reflection of the newly drawn districts than ideological shift.

Demographic trends – such as the growth in Hispanic voters, the increase of Democratic-leaning urban areas, and the support of young voters – also appear favorable to Democrats.

Among North Carolina voters ages 18 to 25, 42 percent were registered as Democrat in 2012, 31 percent as unaffiliated, and 26 percent as Republican. Among 18-to-29-year-old voters in the state, GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney won 32 percent of the vote, and gubernatorial candidate Pat McCrory won 40 percent.

“I think we are a competitive state,” Bitzer said. “A lot will depend on the road map that the Democrats come up with and whether the Republicans overplay their hand at government.”

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/04/27/2854836/nc-democrats-seek-footing-on-unfamiliar.html#storylink=cpy
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NC Democrats seek footing on unfamiliar terrain (Original Post) illegaloperation May 2013 OP
K&R patrice May 2013 #1
I don't think that would work. illegaloperation May 2013 #2
WTF? “I don’t think people knew how much was at stake,” Ross said. SharonAnn May 2013 #3
You forget that they want to talk control away from cities illegaloperation May 2013 #4
I think she meant that when only the older members of the Democratic NCarolinawoman May 2013 #5
Republicans are not really for small government after all! illegaloperation May 2013 #6
Unfortunately, North Carolina Democrats are not a slucky as Virginia Democrats illegaloperation May 2013 #7
This is a state where the Democrats need to build their bench tabbycat31 May 2013 #8
Yes, the NC Republicans are overreaching. illegaloperation May 2013 #9
This is why Blue Dogs are needed tabbycat31 May 2013 #10
I will give you some additional ideas illegaloperation May 2013 #11
Appreciate the ideas tabbycat31 May 2013 #12
I totally understand that illegaloperation May 2013 #13
Democrats need to take a page out of the GOP messaging playbook tabbycat31 May 2013 #14
Researches have shown... illegaloperation May 2013 #15

illegaloperation

(260 posts)
2. I don't think that would work.
Mon May 20, 2013, 02:05 PM
May 2013

The first thing that should be on the agenda is for the Party to get away from all the scandals.

SharonAnn

(13,772 posts)
3. WTF? “I don’t think people knew how much was at stake,” Ross said.
Mon May 20, 2013, 02:17 PM
May 2013

For us, everything is always at stake. There is no moderate Republican. There are only those who want to take away EVERYTHING that you need.

They want to cut taxes (and therefore budgets for police, fire, schools, parks, school lunches, food stamps, unemployment insurance, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, et., etc.)
That's all they stand for economically.

They want to eliminate abortion, restrict birth control, control women and minorities, put religion into the policies of schools, government, etc. that's all they stand for socially.

WTF? "I don't think people knew how much was at stake?"/

EVERYTHING IS ALWAYS AT STAKE!

NCarolinawoman

(2,825 posts)
5. I think she meant that when only the older members of the Democratic
Mon May 20, 2013, 02:56 PM
May 2013

base turned out in 2010, a lot of young people didn't vote and never realized that their universities and colleges would be assaulted; and no one was thinking of gerrymandering.

No one realized how thuggish the Republicans would actually BE, and how far they would go--even dictating to cities where they can have smoke-free zones. Or you can't even clean up your own drinking water sources!

I knew they were going to be bad, but not this BAD!

I bet all those "moderates" are turning liberal at this point!

illegaloperation

(260 posts)
6. Republicans are not really for small government after all!
Mon May 20, 2013, 03:49 PM
May 2013

Oh, the irony!

Unfortunately, North Carolina Republicans now have a filibuster proof majority in the general assembly.

illegaloperation

(260 posts)
7. Unfortunately, North Carolina Democrats are not a slucky as Virginia Democrats
Tue May 21, 2013, 03:49 PM
May 2013

Virginia Democrats can depend upon the D.C. suburb to help them out.

North Carolina Democrats does have the Research Triangle, but it is not yet big enough to swing the state.

tabbycat31

(6,336 posts)
8. This is a state where the Democrats need to build their bench
Tue May 21, 2013, 04:07 PM
May 2013

NC is an interesting state. Even though the GOP gerrymandered the shit out of it, I think they're overreaching and it could backfire. The Democrats need to look at it district by district and pick a handful to truly target. The demographics are leaning in favor of the Democrats--- plus you have a lot of relocated northeasterners, who come from very blue states (NJ, NY, etc) and their voting patterns should continue. They're a very key demographic to target.

I keep saying this here, and this is true for every state no matter how red or blue they are--- the Democrats need to focus on building their bench. They need to run good candidates for office at every level, from school board to president. This is especially true in non partisan races (where the parties are not listed on the ballot) because it's a sneaky way to elect Democrats in otherwise conservative areas. Once people hold an elected office, it's easier for them to run for higher office because they're running as "Mayor Joe Democrat' instead of just "Some Dude Joe Democrat" and the title will attract crossover voters.

(I'd be interested in working in NC to help them win in 2014.)

illegaloperation

(260 posts)
9. Yes, the NC Republicans are overreaching.
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:31 PM
May 2013

They now have a veto proof majority in the general assembly and are pushing through legislations that are universally unpopular.

The NC Republicans now control the redistricting processes (NC governor has no veto power over redistricting). This means that NC Democrats are going to have to find a universal message that can also appeals to conservatives or they will be out of power for a very long time.

And yes, you are absolutely right about changing demographics. The Research Triangle is the fastest growing part of the state while the rural part is either growing slowly or not growing at all.

About building benches: I totally agree. Pat McCrory was the mayor of Charlotte and that's how he was able to get so many crossover votes.

tabbycat31

(6,336 posts)
10. This is why Blue Dogs are needed
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:42 PM
May 2013

You need Blue Dogs with crossover appeal to appeal to moderate and even Republican voters. I worked in a Blue Dog district last year (that borders NC) and we had to 'tone down' our candidate's progressiveness telling him to stay away from social issues such as marriage equality and abortion.

Speaking as a complete outsider, what is the ballot initiative process like in NC (I have only been there once, in 2001). Do you think a ballot initiative would take redistricting out of the legislature's hands? (Does not always work as NJ has an 'independent' commission that is really party bosses). That seems like it could have bipartisan appeal.

Democrats EVERYWHERE (even in the bluest of blue states) need to work on their bench. If every DUer showed up at their local party meeting or ran for office, we would have a much better bench nationwide.

illegaloperation

(260 posts)
11. I will give you some additional ideas
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:25 PM
May 2013

Last edited Tue May 21, 2013, 07:58 PM - Edit history (1)

In liberal districts, promote the Manchin Toomey bill as something that keeps gun out of the hand of criminals by expanding background checks

In conservative districts, promote the Manchin Toomey bill as protecting the 2nd amendment, by making a federal gun registry illegal and keeping gun sale records a criminal offense punishable by jailtime.

This is an example of a bill that can be marketed in two different ways for two different audiences. The first way is for liberal Democrats while the second is for Blue Dog Democrats.

This is exactly what I mean by expanding the message.

I do agree that marriage equality is NOT a winning position in North Carolina: it's a losing position. North Carolina just recently voted to ban same-sex marriage by a 60+% margin.

An addition note: I am NOT from North Carolina, so I don't know specific laws there.

For the redistriction, I suggest bipartisan redistricting rather than nonpartisan redistricting. That way, party boss cannot hijack the redistricting comission.

tabbycat31

(6,336 posts)
12. Appreciate the ideas
Tue May 21, 2013, 08:24 PM
May 2013

However, in some cases you have to keep state and federal level races separate (which is easy considering I live in a state where state level races are in odd years). It depends on what state and the political climate du jour.

Marriage equality is not even a winning issue in my district (and I am in a state that does not have ME, but overwhelmingly supports it--- I just happen to live in the least supportive district in the state). Yet my senate candidate and a write in assembly candidate (have not decided if I should vote for her or not-- her website looks like something out of 1996) want to run on it, but we have the most vocal constituency in the state against it (Orthodox Jews, who turn out in droves when there are votes on it).

I don't know what your background is, but please get involved with campaigns. You'd be an asset to a campaign office.

illegaloperation

(260 posts)
13. I totally understand that
Tue May 21, 2013, 10:07 PM
May 2013

What I wrote above is an just an example.

What I am saying is that they need a cohesive message that will get conservatives to vote for them. Just running as a Republican-lite is not going to cut it.

tabbycat31

(6,336 posts)
14. Democrats need to take a page out of the GOP messaging playbook
Tue May 21, 2013, 10:33 PM
May 2013

They've gotten better (and while I'm no communications director, I know some about messaging through trainings). Part of what makes the GOP so brilliant at messaging is that they have everything so simple and can explain things to a 1st grader.

illegaloperation

(260 posts)
15. Researches have shown...
Tue May 21, 2013, 10:53 PM
May 2013

...that conservatives are "reliance on quick, efficient, and low effort thought processes" while liberals use "effortful and deliberate reasoning".

This means that we need to have very easy to understand message that resonate with conservatives. We cannot give them too many complex issues because it's too much for them to breakdown.

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