2016 Postmortem
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(37,152 posts)They're rigging the voting system all over the country - we really need to wake up.
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)If they will have to steal it. . .
I'm convinced Christie is going to win here in NJ in November. He wins - it's over for 2016.
But I suspect - there are quite a few anti-The Current Democratic Party 'Liberals, Progressive, Democratic Party members" that will be okay with that.
Then they can have their bloody revolution in the streets.
I will blame them as much as the Republican party - only I'll be doing it sipping homemade wine from my mountain side home in Acri, Italy.
polichick
(37,152 posts)have a place in another country. What we see coming ain't good - and I don't see a way to stop it.
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)I have my pick of our building on the side of the mountain, his mothers home in the village (she passed two weeks ago and left it to us), a flat in Firenze, a flat in Rome - or his flat in Paris.
But what I'd really like to do is chuck them all and buy a house in Ramatuelle (outside of St. Tropez France).
I hope I'm wrong - but if the most foaming at the mouth Democratic voters (such as at DU) are hell bent on Warren/Grayson/Sanders etc. etc. in 2016 - we've lost the White House.
And I have no doubt - with the overturn of the key elements of the VRA - they've lost the House/Senate too.
I think we are spitting in the wind here.
msongs
(67,405 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)And I'm sure that will make you happy!
None of those three can win. They can't.
And again -you've lost the black vote in America - because they (the Powers that Be) don't WANT us to vote. So it's not going to happen. The Democratic Party has lost it's 'sure' thing . . . it doesn't have us to kick around anymore and taunt with , "Well where else are you going to go?"
So you better pick someone palatable to center white independents if you want a fighting chance. And although I like those three . . . I've seen how powerful Christie is and how 'seductive' he is. I'm telling you - you've lost in 2016.
The minute he starts yelling about any ONE of those three who are currently IN Washington (insiders) -he'll bring out he knuckle dragging basement dwelling "I hate the gubmint' vote". They will come out full force for him.
And if you don't think he's running for President right this very minute - then you obviously aren't getting bombarded with his annoying 'stronger than the storm' commercials we are in NJ, NYC, Philly, CT, etc. etc.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)I travel to Europe every year. What good fortune you have with a flat in so many wonderful places!
I think you are right about the VRA. I just hope it translates, along with the rest of the garbage, to being more votes for Dems...
Take care...
Always Randy
(1,059 posts)I can see how Christie could win in Jersey---my roots are Jersey City and Morristown----but that is about it----The Repubs will replay the Obama hug --over and over ----he might not make it Iowa----and they will lynch him in South Carolina
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/06/24/carville_chris_christie_winning_gop_nomination_in_2016_a_northeast_media_fantasy.html
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)Reliable - At all . . . You can have your opinion. I'll have mine. He'll have his wife's opinion- i.e. ultimately say what she wants him to.
When they see him go balls to the walls and viciously attack the other folks - they'll go for him.
He's a strident anti-choice Republican. That alone is going to get their rocks off! He's also good buddies with Rove. If they can steal two G.E.'s - what makes you think they can't outright steal the South Carolina primary? *raised eyebrow*
Why so quick to think that after the Palin and Romney debacles - they are going to let Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio be on the top of the ticket? Koch Brothers love him - so does Wall Street. The guy is in like Flynn. I'm sure the Kochs are already sipping a scotch and smoking a cigar at the South Carolina primary victory in 2016 . . .
Always Randy
(1,059 posts)On March 4, 2009, Politico reported that Carville, Paul Begala, and Rahm Emanuel were the architects of the Democratic Party's strategy to cast conservative talk radio host Rush Limbaugh as the face of the Republican Party.[18] Carville was particularly critical of Limbaugh for saying he wanted Barack Obama to "fail."
Wikipedia runs Carville as pure Democrat
Carville ran Wofford's PA Senate --election defeating the Republican choice of Ronald Reagan
Come on Gen---let me have at least half a cup here
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)I'm a cynical generation X asshole.
I'm officially cynical and untrusting of old guard baby boomer democratic PUNDITS. No way - no how. He's one of them. When he holds an office some day - then he will get street cred. If he's so good - why hasn't he ever run for and won a national office?
Always Randy
(1,059 posts)we will need some immigrants from Mars, Gen
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)I would not dismiss him entirely, but I don't see the inevitable part, either.
The man has a very short fuse.
Under the heat of a presidential election, I just can't see where he does not pop off and turn people off.
Republicans will love it, but assuming Hillary, the soft middle will break to the more level headed personality.
Always Randy
(1,059 posts)the color of the lemons is the brightest yellow in the world-------but wait a minute ----are they not more sexist there than here -----do they have any bigots in Italy----any rednecks
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)Everywhere black people go we are going to face hatre - how is America any better than any place else? Oh - wait -
If we have a son - due to their extremely restrictive gun laws - he can't get shot if I send him down to the Gelateria for some orange pellegrino and a gelato. Or he can - but there the shooter is guilty and has to prove he is innocent.
I love when white folks in America point out how racist other countries are - when their own country's face is filthy as a used condom.
Shameless Plug for my Love:
Besides - where the good sex with my hot sexy Calabrese hubby goes? I go too! You don't see asses and juicy shoulders like his (a life of hard physical work, good food, good living) on most 44 year old American born and raised men like you do on my husband.
Always Randy
(1,059 posts)My Tips for blacks who wants to visit Italy
I' m a half black Brazilian man who lived in Italy for about 2 years and having faced Italian racism during my stay I want to give some advice for black people who want to visit Italy.
1) If you are going to visit an artistic city like Rome, Florence, Venice always stay in the touristic area where there are tourists from all over the world and you will not have any problem.
2) Avoid the small towns and villages in the north of Italy, they are full of racists and the locals are very rude and inhospitable with black or brown people.
3) If you are a black man NEVER talk to an Italian woman not even if you just want to ask some informations because Italians can think that you are trying to approach her and Italians are against interracial black/white couples.
4) Avoid the crowded Italian pubs in the night because there you can easily found groups of fascist Italians who hate and molest black people and you can be in an unpleasant situation.
Italy is an interesting country but racism against black and brown people people is very high so you must be careful. If you will follow my advices nothing bad should happen to you and you can have a quiet stay in Italy.
Ricardo
Belo Horizonte, Brazil 07/21/2013
Shameless plug for myself ----I am late sixties and was cursed food wise to be brought up in a Irish household----when I was 40 I started going to long lunch with my Italian clients and gained 15 pounds in 4 months---nirvana-----also I make a killer pesto and would be glad to share if you want
and I yield to you as a black woman who grew up in this country----it certainly has not always been easy for you----so please judge my comments as those of a life long Democrat -----always voted that way----supported Obama from the 2004 Boston speech-----didn't know him before that -----and I see a part of the solution as using the word Acceptance ---rather than tolerance-----it does make me sick to see the revelry on the Right Wing over the recent case in Florida--------but please remember these old white dudes are are a dying breed ----my best to you and good luck to you
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)And I'm well traveled - and I'm a home owner there. I'll make my stand.
Italy is no different than Germany where as a mixed race black kid in the 1970's - we had to fear for our lives with all of those old Nazis running around.
BTW- My husband agrees with you on Northern Italians. He'll take their money and that's pretty much it. And he detests how they refuse to admit they are black and middle eastern.
Ahhh - but I've spent many hours in the kitchen with my late MIL, Zia Dora, Zia Philomena! My husband will only eat his mother's pesto recipe! Never ever go against a Calabrese Man's Mama!
Always Randy
(1,059 posts)Acceptance-----I am dating a woman who has Muslim children----she speaks Hindi, Urdu, Spanish, Portuguese and Italian-----we can go anywhere------she acknowledges the racist sides of every country-----my friends from Puerto Rico tell me about a song there that says -----I love you but I must meet your grandmother -----to see how dark she is----the stupid irish fight over religion---the Iraqis hate the Kurds--my wife(deceased) was from Caribou maine-----boy --do they hate Canadians---and Mexicans are a so what-up there----------I feel like writing a book on bigotry from the point of view as to who is the best bigot-----I always thought our southern rednecks were world class racists ----but the Middle East could eat them for breakfast------can you imagine ----a world hating contest---like an Olympic event-----maybe it would kinda do away with some of it when people saw how foolish they look -----and more ===what a horrible , miserable life it must be to wake up knowing you have to spew hate all day--------I'm with John Lennon---and just Imagine
BTW---I am ready for the Italian challenge on the pesto-----I have got a recipe that is super ----with fresh Mozz --tomatoe pesto--pignoli---balsamic glaze----my grandmother would turn over in her grave--good luck to you Gen
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)Old battles between Irish Protestants and Catholics - right here in America!
My Gramfeathers was a peach - no prejudice - unless it was Irish Catholics. Or Catholics in general. But she was born out West in 1904. She changed her tune a few years before she died - in her 90's. But took - like 87 years.
Always Randy
(1,059 posts)when the levees were being built on the Mississippi--Irish immigrants were a big part of the labor force----now don't get offended. this is real----If an Irishman fell down into the levee he was left there to die----because on the river banks there were thousands to replace him--------however--if a black fell in---in those days they were property --and worth a lot of money----so if they fell in---the job would stop until they saved the "chattel" ----
More on the Irish in Boston----in the late 1800's signs in the store windows said INNA----Irish need not apply-------well we tricked 'em----ok don't let us work, eh---we'll go home and make babies-----how the irish won Boston--------
and today in Arizona -----Mexican families are getting quite large----soooooooo
Hey ---what is gramfeathers --not heard that----I think your gramfeathers was right ----there is tons of bigotry in the irish----it kills me sometime to hear them
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)I would support a Warren run, though. For prez.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Plus she used to be a Republican. I don't think that's gonna sit well with many primary voters. Other candidates will attack her for that.
Always Randy
(1,059 posts)Hillary campaigned for Barry Goldwater---Elizabeth is fine----and will do well---she is so bright----the only problem with that is some tv people will be afraid to lose face in front of her------no wingers will go on the Rachel madow show because they know she is way above them intellectually---
Beacool
(30,247 posts)Big difference.
Always Randy
(1,059 posts)no matter what you say
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/28/nine-party-switches-made_n_192416.html
Beacool
(30,247 posts)But you brought up Hillary as an example. She was a kid when she campaigned for Goldwater. Warren was middle aged. Don't get me wrong, I like Warren just fine. I just don't believe that she's ready to run for president. She barely won her Senate seat a few months ago and had never ran for elective office before that campaign. Besides, there's a lot more to being president than just opposing Wall Street.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I just don't think Biden will run though. He has had a long successful career as a senator and vice-president. I think he is humble enough to step out of the spot light and become an party elder.
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)Hillary /Warren
demwing
(16,916 posts)Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)Things done. Biden isn't going to get enough votes.
It is time for her to run the show
Deep13
(39,154 posts)KennedyBrothers
(70 posts)Forget Biden, he doesn't have even a remote shot of winning the 2016 nomination.
Hillary Clinton will be the nominee, and she'll pick someone like John Hickenlooper or Jay Nixon to be her running mate. I don't think it will be a senator or a representative.