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Charlie Rangel:I love Obama but his handling of Syria is EMBARRASSING!!! (Original Post) bigdarryl Sep 2013 OP
Worse than Rangel's handling of his taxes ? n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2013 #1
There's no body count to a tax issue. David__77 Sep 2013 #2
What's embarrassing about it? Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2013 #3
Words have actual meanings. Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #5
Because nobody has thirsted for war more than President Obama and SOS John Kerry? Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2013 #8
The problem is John2 Sep 2013 #6
excellent post, John2 Carolina Sep 2013 #9
K&R pscot Sep 2013 #4
This is embarrassing: AtomicKitten Sep 2013 #7

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
3. What's embarrassing about it?
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 08:53 PM
Sep 2013

He wants to stop the use of chemical weapons by the Assad regime. Most everybody else agrees that it's bad but don't really want him to do anything militarily about it. You may not like the idea of intervening militarily or think it's a bad idea but President Obama is NOT a warmonger like George W. Bush and his neocon cabal and is trying to give Congress and by extension the public a voice as well. After what we went through with George W. Bush, isn't that we wanted?

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
5. Words have actual meanings.
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 08:30 AM
Sep 2013

war·mon·ger

sovereign or political leader or activist who encourages or advocates aggression or warfare toward other nations or groups


Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
8. Because nobody has thirsted for war more than President Obama and SOS John Kerry?
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 09:07 PM
Sep 2013


He's waited a long time before even talking about doing anything about Syria and resisted any and all efforts to strike at Iran. He also pulled us out of Iraq and we'll be out of Afghanistan (where we've actually had "boots on the ground for years). You'll have to do a lot more convincing to get me to think of President Obama as a warmonger. We didn't elect a pacifist but we elected somebody who promised (and has delivered) a smarter, more thoughtful approach to foreign policy who wouldn't launch us blindly into foreign military adventures without careful consideration (a rejection of the Bush/Cheney/Neocon approach).
 

John2

(2,730 posts)
6. The problem is
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 10:12 AM
Sep 2013

nothing has been proven just like Iraq. Since you claimed the use of chemical weapons by the Assad regime, you automatically make the assumption many who dis believe the Intelligence actually believe the Obama regime and his supporters in Israel, Britain, France, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Qatar. Well, to your surprise, many have not fallen for it including groups you based on like the Western Media , rebels and trumped up Human Rights organizations you like to cite.

Most of them were the same people that lied about Iraq and also during the Iran\Iraq War. There is no evidence the Syrian Army used chemical weapons except from the groups that wanted to attack Syria from the very beginning of this conflict. They have the strongest motive to manufacture evidence and this time is no different. They all have a track record on lying too, if people would only notice the lie by Jack Clapper before the American people and Congress and the fits they had with PFC Manning and Snowden exposing them. There is also the evidence of their secrecy over Benghazi and the IRS debacle. There is also the evidence of Senator Feinstein throwing a fit when a certain reporter question her about Intelligence and she replied none of your business, the American people have no right to know under National security.

It shows arrogance to me and a Government that has run amuck. This is the same Government that claims certain businesses are too big and above the Law. It is time to put the handcuffs on the Government because they have went out of control since 9\11. It is not America's responsibility to start Wars and police every action around the World when people of other countries come crying to our Government. This is our Govenment and not the World's Government. We pay the Bills in this country and not some extremists in the Middle East or even citizens in Israel, Britain or France, when they start their dam Wars.

Obama has the audacity and so does Congress to shame us about Entitlements and then they go around the World thinking we have to give other people handouts and give our daughters and sons to their causes. I think these people in our Government got the dam nerve! Let me make this point, Saudi Arabia has an Armed Forces and they have a royal Air Force, they have been getting supplied by us. Israel does too and France certainly has Forces. Then you have Turkey sitting over there with Armed Forces supplied by none other than our Congress. Our Congress is the biggest Arms Dealer in the World. The only hostages in this entire event is actually we, the American people.

As far as Syria, they have a Government and Armed Forces just like everyone of those countries. If they want to call one government dictators, then Pot meet Kettle in Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Those are the two most prominent Arab Warmongers leading the charge on Syria. You have to wonder the same about the U.S., Britain and France if you look at the public Polls, because it is only the Governments deciding these actions against the wishes of their people. Are we really that powerless against our own Governments because they no longer feel they have to listen to us. That is what has angered me against the Obama Administration.

He got our votes, but only listens to the people with wealth and Foreigners like the Saudi Royal Family. I read the Saudi King gave the Obama's Gifts worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. I do not think these people give a dam about the poor or ordinary people. The only thing they care about is wealth and power. This is just an act to play upon people's emotions. Do you people really think someone like John McCain or those Tories in the British Parliament give a dam about the plight of the poor? Do you really think some one like Netanyahu or his Likud Government give a dam about killing innocent women or children? Look at what he does with forced settlements, yet the United States through Mr Kerry and Mr Obama only give lip service but no punitive actions. This is the same President that would not hesitate to drone a crowd of women and children to get at a targeted Terrorist or violate the borders of another country. Do not play that sympathy card about human rights to me. Only fools will fall for those drama tactics and Kerry is no more than a Drama Queen. These people are cold hearted period. Just look at how they treat the Poor of their own countries and their justice systems. Look at what they do to voting rights. If Mr Obama fought for those causes, just as much as he fights to start Wars in countries with nothing to do with defending this one, then I might listen, but he has lost me. We need a big change in this country period because our Government seeps with corruption.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
9. excellent post, John2
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 10:07 PM
Sep 2013

Obomber is showing his true nature with this push for war. Imagine if he had drawn a red line in the sand about the public option and then fought for it as hard...

By his acts and his associates, shall we know him. BHO sells a good game on the campaign trail but the reality of his advisors, his proposals (chained CPI, health insurance -- not healthcare -- reform, this impending war to name a ver few) tell the real truth.

I am done with him and have come to loathe him more than Bush because of his duplicity -- the words v actions dichotomy; the hope and change LIE. At least we knew what we were getting with shrub.

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