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Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 10:51 AM Sep 2013

Brutality of Syrian Rebels Posing Dilemma in West

The Syrian rebels posed casually, standing over their prisoners with firearms pointed down at the shirtless and terrified men.

The prisoners, seven in all, were captured Syrian soldiers. Five were trussed, their backs marked with red welts. They kept their faces pressed to the dirt as the rebels’ commander recited a bitter revolutionary verse. “For fifty years, they are companions to corruption,” he said. “We swear to the Lord of the Throne, that this is our oath: We will take revenge.”

The moment the poem ended, the commander, known as “the Uncle,” fired a bullet into the back of the first prisoner’s head. His gunmen followed suit, promptly killing all the men at their feet.

This scene, documented in a video smuggled out of Syria a few days ago by a former rebel who grew disgusted by the killings, offers a dark insight into how many rebels have adopted some of the same brutal and ruthless tactics as the regime they are trying to overthrow.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/world/middleeast/brutality-of-syrian-rebels-pose-dilemma-in-west.html?ref=world

I am against the support of either side. I hate the idea that the USA has given training and weapons to the rebels. No war.

I am all for the ban against chemical weapons and doing whatever we can to assist the world to keep chemical weapons from use. Humanitarian support of refugees. Punishing those who use/used chem. weaps, including those corps who sell chemical weapons. Punish with an International Tribunal Court.

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Brutality of Syrian Rebels Posing Dilemma in West (Original Post) Sunlei Sep 2013 OP
There are no good guys. Jackpine Radical Sep 2013 #1
There are no good guys! Sunlei Sep 2013 #3
Yes, there are in fact good guys. phleshdef Sep 2013 #6
I've got a sickening feeling about all of this PearliePoo2 Sep 2013 #2
Why? MADem Sep 2013 #4
It's not like they are announcing a failed & carved up state in the news. jakeXT Sep 2013 #7
US doesn't favor a mish-mash of assorted "rebels" taking over, though. MADem Sep 2013 #9
They already have to fight jakeXT Sep 2013 #13
a 'carved up state' would be a step in the right direction ..nt quadrature Sep 2013 #10
Even the guy redrawing the maps (Ralph Peters), doesn't want direct US involvement jakeXT Sep 2013 #12
More. proverbialwisdom Sep 2013 #5
K&R avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #8
Also see Lawrence O'Donnell's "Who Are the Rebels?" on tonight's The Last Word. proverbialwisdom Sep 2013 #11

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
3. There are no good guys!
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 11:16 AM
Sep 2013

I feel those words exactly!

pictures like this person lobbying for gunrunner Corp. sales before he even leaves his political position, make me sick.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
6. Yes, there are in fact good guys.
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 03:47 PM
Sep 2013

The opposition to Assad started off as peaceful protests that went on for about 6 months before he ordered the military to violently crack down on them. That's when the opposition started picking up guns to defend itself. Now, extremist elements have joined in with the protestors, but it didn't start out that way and the original opposition that began with the peaceful protests are the "good guys". The problem is, its just not a very organized rebellion now.

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
7. It's not like they are announcing a failed & carved up state in the news.
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 04:35 PM
Sep 2013

Makes it harder to sell.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
9. US doesn't favor a mish-mash of assorted "rebels" taking over, though.
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 05:31 PM
Sep 2013

They never have. They'd prefer the VPs run the joint while al-Assad takes a powder.

I do take your point about failed/carved up, though. It's a conglomeration of hamlets, and a big huge chunk of unihabited desert.

Maybe the Kurds can take their chunk and do something with it....?

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
13. They already have to fight
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 03:50 AM
Sep 2013

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11331676


In both Ralph Peter's map and in the Bernard Lewis Plan, they get a piece of Syria east of the Euphrates river




It's a wonder they somehow negotiated that pipeline deal as it is now, imagine doing that with multiple mini states.

Instead, the following year, Assad pursued negotiations for an alternative $10 billion pipeline plan with Iran, across Iraq to Syria, that would also potentially allow Iran to supply gas to Europe from its South Pars field shared with Qatar. The Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) for the project was signed in July 2012 - just as Syria's civil war was spreading to Damascus and Aleppo - and earlier this year Iraq signed a framework agreement for construction of the gas pipelines.

The Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline plan was a "direct slap in the face" to Qatar's plans. No wonder Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan, in a failed attempt to bribe Russia to switch sides, told President Vladmir Putin that "whatever regime comes after" Assad, it will be "completely" in Saudi Arabia's hands and will "not sign any agreement allowing any Gulf country to transport its gas across Syria to Europe and compete with Russian gas exports", according to diplomatic sources. When Putin refused, the Prince vowed military action.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2013/aug/30/syria-chemical-attack-war-intervention-oil-gas-energy-pipelines

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
12. Even the guy redrawing the maps (Ralph Peters), doesn't want direct US involvement
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 03:39 AM
Sep 2013




Note: The following map was prepared by Lieutenant-Colonel Ralph Peters. It was published in the Armed Forces Journal in June 2006, Peters is a retired colonel of the U.S. National War Academy. (Map Copyright Lieutenant-Colonel Ralph Peters 2006).

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
5. More.
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 12:44 PM
Sep 2013
http://gregmitchellwriter.blogspot.com/2013/09/the-image-that-ends-obamas-war.html

Thursday, September 5, 2013
The Image That Ends Obama's War Authorization?


Cable news giving a lot of play today to the photo on top of NYT front page in print today, along with C.J. Chivers article on the "brutality" of many of our friends, the rebels, in Syria (it did take the paper over a week in the crisis to produce this). On their site, there is also a video of the same episode caught by the photo, with the executions fading to black. Cheerleader for the war now running scared. Rep. Peter King on CNN just hit his colleagues for paying attention to the 10-1 opposition being voiced by constituents.

UPDATE Reuters just out with this:

Secretary of State John Kerry's public assertions that moderate Syrian opposition groups are growing in influence appear to be at odds with estimates by U.S. and European intelligence sources and nongovernmental experts, who say Islamic extremists remain by far the fiercest and best-organized rebel elements.

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