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The Syrian rebels posed casually, standing over their prisoners with firearms pointed down at the shirtless and terrified men.
The prisoners, seven in all, were captured Syrian soldiers. Five were trussed, their backs marked with red welts. They kept their faces pressed to the dirt as the rebels commander recited a bitter revolutionary verse. For fifty years, they are companions to corruption, he said. We swear to the Lord of the Throne, that this is our oath: We will take revenge.
The moment the poem ended, the commander, known as the Uncle, fired a bullet into the back of the first prisoners head. His gunmen followed suit, promptly killing all the men at their feet.
This scene, documented in a video smuggled out of Syria a few days ago by a former rebel who grew disgusted by the killings, offers a dark insight into how many rebels have adopted some of the same brutal and ruthless tactics as the regime they are trying to overthrow.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/world/middleeast/brutality-of-syrian-rebels-pose-dilemma-in-west.html?ref=world
I am against the support of either side. I hate the idea that the USA has given training and weapons to the rebels. No war.
I am all for the ban against chemical weapons and doing whatever we can to assist the world to keep chemical weapons from use. Humanitarian support of refugees. Punishing those who use/used chem. weaps, including those corps who sell chemical weapons. Punish with an International Tribunal Court.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)We gotta be nuts to be getting into this whole mess. It will not end well.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)I feel those words exactly!
pictures like this person lobbying for gunrunner Corp. sales before he even leaves his political position, make me sick.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)The opposition to Assad started off as peaceful protests that went on for about 6 months before he ordered the military to violently crack down on them. That's when the opposition started picking up guns to defend itself. Now, extremist elements have joined in with the protestors, but it didn't start out that way and the original opposition that began with the peaceful protests are the "good guys". The problem is, its just not a very organized rebellion now.
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)which is about to happen.
Bad, real bad.
The US preference is for a Yemen scenario for Syria, not a "victory" by the rebels.
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)Makes it harder to sell.
MADem
(135,425 posts)They never have. They'd prefer the VPs run the joint while al-Assad takes a powder.
I do take your point about failed/carved up, though. It's a conglomeration of hamlets, and a big huge chunk of unihabited desert.
Maybe the Kurds can take their chunk and do something with it....?
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/11331676
In both Ralph Peter's map and in the Bernard Lewis Plan, they get a piece of Syria east of the Euphrates river
It's a wonder they somehow negotiated that pipeline deal as it is now, imagine doing that with multiple mini states.
The Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline plan was a "direct slap in the face" to Qatar's plans. No wonder Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan, in a failed attempt to bribe Russia to switch sides, told President Vladmir Putin that "whatever regime comes after" Assad, it will be "completely" in Saudi Arabia's hands and will "not sign any agreement allowing any Gulf country to transport its gas across Syria to Europe and compete with Russian gas exports", according to diplomatic sources. When Putin refused, the Prince vowed military action.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2013/aug/30/syria-chemical-attack-war-intervention-oil-gas-energy-pipelines
quadrature
(2,049 posts)jakeXT
(10,575 posts)Note: The following map was prepared by Lieutenant-Colonel Ralph Peters. It was published in the Armed Forces Journal in June 2006, Peters is a retired colonel of the U.S. National War Academy. (Map Copyright Lieutenant-Colonel Ralph Peters 2006).
proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)Thursday, September 5, 2013
The Image That Ends Obama's War Authorization?
Cable news giving a lot of play today to the photo on top of NYT front page in print today, along with C.J. Chivers article on the "brutality" of many of our friends, the rebels, in Syria (it did take the paper over a week in the crisis to produce this). On their site, there is also a video of the same episode caught by the photo, with the executions fading to black. Cheerleader for the war now running scared. Rep. Peter King on CNN just hit his colleagues for paying attention to the 10-1 opposition being voiced by constituents.
UPDATE Reuters just out with this:
Secretary of State John Kerry's public assertions that moderate Syrian opposition groups are growing in influence appear to be at odds with estimates by U.S. and European intelligence sources and nongovernmental experts, who say Islamic extremists remain by far the fiercest and best-organized rebel elements.
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http://www.democracynow.org/2013/9/3/could_us_military_action_turn_syrian
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)What a viper's nest we have stepped into!