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egbertowillies

(4,058 posts)
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 10:36 PM Sep 2013

Obama May Have Played Us All And Won – That Is Leadership

Even the most ardent Obama supporter likely believed that the President backed himself into a corner with his “red line” comment. But as ABC News Chris Good stated, “President Obama’s ‘red line’ on Syria isn’t quite as straightforward as it’s been made out to be.”

The President’s exact words were “We have been very clear to the Assad regime, but also to other players on the ground that a red line for us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized, ” …“ That would change my calculus. That would change my equation.” The press along with most interpreted this to mean military action. The President did nothing to dissuade that belief. In fact he sent out John Kerry with an almost definitive statement that leads everyone to believe America was gearing up for a strike. In fact he even sent the navy in a poised position to attack. It was all a Bush-like action.

The Left-Wing blogosphere along with most war weary Americans went berserk. Suddenly, the President changed his stance and decided to have Congress vote on authorizing a strike while still reserving his right to strike irrespective of Congress’ decision.

It seemed as if he was trying to convince Congress to give him the approval in earnest. But even as he tried to convince Congress that this would be a surgical and rather minimal strike, it ‘leaked’ that the strike plans were much more extensive than previously advertised. That would seem like a sabotage of a ‘yes vote’ in Congress domestically, while scaring the hell out of the Russians internationally. After-all, there would be a good chance that the Russians would lose their only naval base in the region.

After the President got back from Russia where the President had some talks with Putin, Secretary of State Kerry had a news conference where he let it ‘slip out’ that Syria could only avoid an attack if they gave up their chemical weapons. Russia gave support to that statement faster than bloggers even noticed it was a statement of consequence.

President Obama never wanted war if it could be avoided. This is the man that said the following in his speech against the Iraq War on Oct 2, 2002.

After Sept. 11, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this administration’s pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such tragedy from happening again. I don’t oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism.

What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income — to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression. That’s what I’m opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.

That said, the President needed all sides to believe that he could be as reckless as Bush was. In doing so the Russians were bound to use any opportunity or window to grab on to. Secretary of State Kerry gave them the necessary nugget.

From dire straits to possibility, was this all luck? For those who refuse to acknowledge the accomplishments of this President irrespective of the head winds from an intransigent and irresponsible Republican Congress, the answer is likely yes. Deep thinkers are likely to see this as a chess match and not simply luck in retrospect.

In one chess match the President was able to make the rank and file Republicans seem like doves, the neocons look reckless, the Tea Party wing seem like flip flopping buffoons all while potentially shutting down Syria’s use of chemical weapons without firing a shot or dropping a bomb. The Right Wing would have none of it. They are so filled with that disease, that mental disorder called hate that they would rather praise Putin as he ‘played Obama’.

Here is the reality; the only ones that weren’t played in this whole scheme were the President and his administration. This President is so self-assured that unlike many he is capable of taking a barrage of incoming missiles without responding. He keeps his eye on the ball. That is real leadership. One hopes that as he approaches the twilight months of his presidency, he will use this same technique for middle class centric issues, immigration issues, and other Plutocrat busting issues.
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Obama May Have Played Us All And Won – That Is Leadership (Original Post) egbertowillies Sep 2013 OP
unfucking believable the spin continues....Obama fucked up, why can't people just admit it? bowens43 Sep 2013 #1
It is amazing, isn't it? Th1onein Sep 2013 #14
Lying may not be a leadership trait but gambling is. Kablooie Sep 2013 #41
WOW! Please! Your contortions are making me dizzy! Th1onein Sep 2013 #44
Nope. I don't. Kablooie Sep 2013 #48
That's just sad. Read what you wrote again. Th1onein Sep 2013 #52
How risky of a gamble was it really? LiberalFighter Sep 2013 #49
Well said lumpy Sep 2013 #53
Because politics has become team-sports and you always have to cheer for your team, apparently. Jester Messiah Sep 2013 #20
No, politics has become an impossible task with blank opposition to any stance the President takes. Pisces Sep 2013 #31
I don't even know where to start with you. Jester Messiah Sep 2013 #45
lol. Whisp Sep 2013 #35
Obviously the spin continous... since YOU whistler162 Sep 2013 #42
Unfucking believable that you think the president fucked up. appacom Sep 2013 #57
EXACTLY as I described it huh? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #2
So there was NEVER a chance he was going to bomb right? dkf Sep 2013 #3
If it was a bluff, it would have to be one sold to everyone, including all of us. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #7
By making the threat to Assad, Obama gave himself ammunition and the option to use it. lumpy Sep 2013 #51
Obama was not bluffing. And the folks who were sure ... JoePhilly Sep 2013 #21
The 2nd Iraq war was started in Iraq in 2003 whistler162 Sep 2013 #43
I was sticking with the DU approach to counting on that. JoePhilly Sep 2013 #47
Anyone who doubts Obama is probably in for a rude awakening mwrguy Sep 2013 #4
The man finds ways to deliver. Syria is just the latest example. BenzoDia Sep 2013 #9
The question about Putin... LiberalFighter Sep 2013 #50
I see. rug Sep 2013 #5
Oh FFS. Maven Sep 2013 #6
Perhaps we should wait until something actually RESULTS from all this trash talking BlueStreak Sep 2013 #8
ABSOLUTELY, BlueStreak. THAT was the objective. Th1onein Sep 2013 #15
Spin, spin, spin : "The Pretend Peace Plan" RC Sep 2013 #10
Pres Obama has been talking to Putin regarding a diplomatic solution re Syria since June 2012 Tx4obama Sep 2013 #11
Thank you for trying Tx, but these haters don't listen to facts or see reason. They just want to Pisces Sep 2013 #32
Well, that's a fine opinion piece with a great deal of opinion.... SamReynolds Sep 2013 #17
Attack the messenger when you can't refute the message. RC Sep 2013 #18
Really? SamReynolds Sep 2013 #38
What facts? What gaps? RC Sep 2013 #39
Holy wow. SamReynolds Sep 2013 #40
You're the one that is not posting any facts and leaving gaps. RC Sep 2013 #46
What message ? That you still have no respect for Obama ? lumpy Sep 2013 #54
I would have more if he were working for us, instead of Wall Street and the big banks. To say nothin RC Sep 2013 #55
I believe two words can sum up this action... Rosco T. Sep 2013 #12
PBO's "Lucky Scorecard".. Actually, egberto.. President Obama's supporters Cha Sep 2013 #13
How does that expression go .... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #19
Thank you! nt tweeternik Sep 2013 #25
I voted for the smartest muthafukka in the room. SamReynolds Sep 2013 #16
The President was not bluffing. He would have launched JoePhilly Sep 2013 #22
I'm willing to believe Obama could have played us. beerandjesus Sep 2013 #23
K&R!!! Yes!!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #24
If Obama is a super duper cunning chess master, how do you know his plan is ultimately benevolent? NoOneMan Sep 2013 #26
Most Americans have zero knowledge as to how long the Obama administration has been working MADem Sep 2013 #27
Obama "played" everybody??? bvar22 Sep 2013 #28
Look, it's real easy. Jester Messiah Sep 2013 #29
I think you should run against Hillary in 2016 Whisp Sep 2013 #37
Whirrrrrrrrrrrr. Boy that dog got wagged. Jakes Progress Sep 2013 #30
Leading = Manipulation and deceit. Igel Sep 2013 #33
Many recs... Whisp Sep 2013 #34
Obama is no one's fool but Whisp Sep 2013 #36
From inside the Beltway, one of the most important rules in politics Samantha Sep 2013 #56
 

bowens43

(16,064 posts)
1. unfucking believable the spin continues....Obama fucked up, why can't people just admit it?
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 10:40 PM
Sep 2013

Now the true believers are saying that the president is liar and that is a good thing....wow...amazing

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
41. Lying may not be a leadership trait but gambling is.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 07:11 AM
Sep 2013

I would bet that Obama gambled that if he became hawkish an opportunity for a non violent solution would present itself to prevent an attack.
This would mean that if he lost the gamble he would have had to go through with the attack even though it was not what he really wanted.
It was a risky gamble but so far he seems to have won it.

So it wouldn't have been a lie, he would have attacked if there had been no alternative, but he calculated that being seriously willing to go through with an undesirable act would bring on a more desirable result.

LiberalFighter

(50,921 posts)
49. How risky of a gamble was it really?
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:40 AM
Sep 2013

Most of the cards that he is playing with are already faced up so people like Assad, Putin, and others see them.
He is President of the United States. He had bin Laden and many others taken out. He has access to drones.

Other cards can be determined by what is known.
Communications from Obama and Kerry to Assad, Putin, and others.


The risk is on those that try to gamble with him.

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
20. Because politics has become team-sports and you always have to cheer for your team, apparently.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 09:44 AM
Sep 2013

It's pathetic. Occam's razor is gathering rust for lack of use.

Pisces

(5,599 posts)
31. No, politics has become an impossible task with blank opposition to any stance the President takes.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 07:25 PM
Sep 2013

He has warmongers on record against military action. Oh boo hoo, he had to play tricks on people to actually get something done.
It is really despicable that people would rather he be some inept loser, than a brilliant man. Occam's Razaor indeed. He is
the luckies bastard on earth who happens to constantly bumble his way to winning 2 Presidencies and a slew of other things on
his agenda with a radical right that would rather oppose everything on its face than actually govern this country.
That seems more unrealistic than what you are proposing.

But, please, continue with your unmitigated disdain for a President that is accomplishing shit by any psychological means necessary.
I am sure that you are use to such truth tellers in politics. If its is going to accomplish disarmament, peace, ending wars etc
Tell me a lie!!

 

whistler162

(11,155 posts)
42. Obviously the spin continous... since YOU
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 07:22 AM
Sep 2013

haven't succeeded in spinning it the way you want you keep trying.

appacom

(296 posts)
57. Unfucking believable that you think the president fucked up.
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 12:04 PM
Sep 2013

Love and respect me some chess-playing Obama, and I ain't even going to try to explain. Educate yourself.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
2. EXACTLY as I described it huh?
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 10:44 PM
Sep 2013

that those here screaming bloody murder.....were all PART of the plan from the start! That they literally set the scene to make him look all the more resolute standing up to them....exact words I used......It was an amazing sight when I thought about how he just used their own "hair on fire" to his advantage! Touche...Sir....touche indeed!

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
7. If it was a bluff, it would have to be one sold to everyone, including all of us.
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 11:05 PM
Sep 2013

So maybe he was going to strike, I mean he was really going to do it!!!!

Or he just said he would and it was a bluff.

We'll never know, but if it was a bluff it was a good one!

lumpy

(13,704 posts)
51. By making the threat to Assad, Obama gave himself ammunition and the option to use it.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 06:19 PM
Sep 2013

Assad had options also. Call Obama's bluff, hold on to his chemicals, hold his breath and pray; listen to Russia and stop to think about it.
Meanwhile Assad readied for possible attack, he must have taken the threat seriously.
If agreements hadn't been made after every effort by US and Russia, but only gotten worse, Obama would have had to make surgical strikes IMO. I don't believe it was a bluff.
Obama would have to beholden to his word that he meant business.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
21. Obama was not bluffing. And the folks who were sure ...
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 10:26 AM
Sep 2013

Obama was going to start 2nd Iraq war in Syria were wrong on a massive scale.

Those are the facts.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
47. I was sticking with the DU approach to counting on that.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:02 AM
Sep 2013

Around here, the prediction was that Obama would start a 2nd Iraq war, with the Bush fiasco being counted as the first.

My sense is that many here decided to not count the first one simply because it was rather tiny in comparison, and the intent of the prediction (relative to Syria) was to make a connection to a 10 year multi-trillion dollar mess, not a comparison to a rather quick 100 days war that was, generally speaking, a "victory".

mwrguy

(3,245 posts)
4. Anyone who doubts Obama is probably in for a rude awakening
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 11:01 PM
Sep 2013

Putin and Assad just found that out the hard way.

LiberalFighter

(50,921 posts)
50. The question about Putin...
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:42 AM
Sep 2013

will he continue to scowl and try to act macho? Or will he be more friendly with Obama?

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
8. Perhaps we should wait until something actually RESULTS from all this trash talking
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 11:26 PM
Sep 2013

By my reckoning we don't expect anything to change for 9 months, and there will be a lot of Miley Cyrus stories to divert our attention by then.

But there is no question Obama accomplished his main objective, which was to change the subject from NSA abuses.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
10. Spin, spin, spin : "The Pretend Peace Plan"
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 11:42 PM
Sep 2013
By the time Barack Obama sat down to be interviewed with six media representatives, it was the Russian Peace Plan rather than John Kerry’s Peace Plan. Once again, Barack Obama had been outmaneuvered by a foreign rival, this time the Russian Vladimir Putin.

The amateurs at the White House can’t even get out of their own ways and that includes the guy at the top. His indecisive dithering is once again on full display for all the world to see. He has no articulated policy on Syria, no military plan except firing some cruise missiles at inconsequential targets and no end game for this face-saving gesture.
http://allthingspoliticaltoday.com/the-pretend-peace-plan/

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
11. Pres Obama has been talking to Putin regarding a diplomatic solution re Syria since June 2012
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 11:58 PM
Sep 2013



-snip-

According to a senior Senate aide, Obama told Democrats that he had asked Kerry to reach out to Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and offer the diplomatic solution.

"He mentioned that that occurred during the G-20 meeting (a year ago), when he met with (Russian President Vladimir) Putin -- that he would assign Kerry to discuss diplomatic alternatives," added Sen. Dean Heller (R-Nev.).

A senior administration official confirmed to The Huffington Post that Obama and Putin first discussed the concept in Los Cabos at the G-20 in June 2012. After the first plenary session, while world leaders were mingling, Obama and Putin went to a corner of the room and spoke for nearly half an hour about Syria.

-snip-

Full article here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/10/john-kerry-syria-solution_n_3901863.html


Pisces

(5,599 posts)
32. Thank you for trying Tx, but these haters don't listen to facts or see reason. They just want to
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 07:34 PM
Sep 2013

spew their garbage and hate. It's a mystery why some want to believe the worst. In their estimation Obama is just
the luckies SOB on the planet, Putin is a brilliant mastermind and Fox news is fair and balanced.

You have some of the best posts on here. I don't know how you keep it up instead of getting frustrated with the noise
that continues on this board, but I'm glad you don't.

Keep fighting the good fight.

 

SamReynolds

(170 posts)
17. Well, that's a fine opinion piece with a great deal of opinion....
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 07:34 AM
Sep 2013

And most of it devoid and irrespective of the facts at hand. You know, when I find an opinion piece that dwells so very much in the gaps of the story rather than on the facts, just 'makes shit up' about people not 'getting out of their own ways' or calling otherwise thoughtful actions 'indecisive dithering', it tells me everything I need to know about the author.

This piece of crap came from someone who's always had a chip on his/her shoulder about Obama.

Find me a piece by the same person that praises him without any backhanded bullshit.

Ohhhh... you can't? Gee, color me shocked.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
18. Attack the messenger when you can't refute the message.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 08:07 AM
Sep 2013

Why ain't I surprised? Practice willful blindness much?

 

SamReynolds

(170 posts)
38. Really?
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 11:44 PM
Sep 2013

I didn't attack the 'messenger', I attacked the message and the author. I also posted a challenge to prove my point. My point stands proven.

Project much?

 

SamReynolds

(170 posts)
40. Holy wow.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 02:04 AM
Sep 2013

I was the one to ask "What facts?". I also left you a challenge you can't touch, but you really want to save face, don't you?

Sad.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
46. You're the one that is not posting any facts and leaving gaps.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 09:27 AM
Sep 2013

What is wrong with the information provided in the link? Other than you disagree, you never said.
What facts are wrong and what are the missing gaps at the link?

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
55. I would have more if he were working for us, instead of Wall Street and the big banks. To say nothin
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 07:03 PM
Sep 2013

about his repeatedly putting Social Security on the table. Him pushing the Chained CPI. His appointing Republicans and DLC types. Larry Summers, you gotta be kidding me. Extending bu$h's tax cuts. Some of bu$h's tax cuts are still in effect for the well-to-do, even though they were all set to expire automatically in 2010. Then there is the TTP. Obama even admires Reagan, the guy who started all this financial mess. Obama is no Liberal and it shows. Oh, and don't forget the drone strikes in countries we are not at war with, double strikes and all. Including taking out two American citizens, without any Judge or jury, just an executioner, on his say so.

Cha

(297,206 posts)
13. PBO's "Lucky Scorecard".. Actually, egberto.. President Obama's supporters
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 01:01 AM
Sep 2013

who know him very well were thinking he had a plan behind this. But, I see your point.

KSK(africa) @lawalazu

PBO Lucky ScoreCard

2008 Ele.
Economy
Somalia Pirates
#Obamacare,
Bin Laden
Somalia pirates
DADT
DOMA
Al Qaeda henchmen killed


46 Retweets 18 favorites ReplyRetweet

http://theobamadiary.com/2013/09/14/a-tweet-or-two-2/

I would add the 2012 Election.. and everything else he's accomplished..

We'll Keep This List Going. Here are 221 Obama Accomplishments, With Citations! He's Done Plenty

http://pctcblog.com/index.html/obama.html?utm_content=buffer2ce73&utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer

Mahalo for your OP..

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
19. How does that expression go ....
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 08:44 AM
Sep 2013

"People kind calling me luck/Funny, the harder I work, the luckier I get!" {heard that on my daughter's play-list}

This kind of analysis can't go well, because it requires that most will have to acknowldge they aren't as analytical, informed and politically skilled as they tell themselves that they are ... even after witnessing the same kind of play, at least twice before.

 

SamReynolds

(170 posts)
16. I voted for the smartest muthafukka in the room.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 07:28 AM
Sep 2013

It was close though. I really liked the fact that Clinton was as shrewd and potentially ruthless (confirmed by wikileaks) as anyone else on the list, but Obama had that 'I got this' feel.

K+R. Thanks for posting.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
22. The President was not bluffing. He would have launched
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 10:29 AM
Sep 2013

strikes if a deal was not reached.

Meanwhile, the Combustible Hair Club made wild predictions about how the President wasn't just going to launch strikes, he was going to INVADE Syria and start a 2nd Iraq style war ... a war that would expand and include Iran and Russia.

The Combustible Hair Club was wrong. Very, very wrong.

And now they are very upset that the President didn't prove them right.

beerandjesus

(1,301 posts)
23. I'm willing to believe Obama could have played us.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 11:22 AM
Sep 2013

I'm skeptical--I still think he screwed up and then did a really good salvage job--but I'm very willing to admit it's possible that Obama did have a strategy here that ended up panning out.

What I'm *not* willing to believe is that the "Let's-Bomb-Syria", "You're-Hitler-If-You-Disagree" crowd was in on it when they were cheerleading.

 

NoOneMan

(4,795 posts)
26. If Obama is a super duper cunning chess master, how do you know his plan is ultimately benevolent?
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 01:32 PM
Sep 2013

How do you know you aren't being played? How do you know he isn't pretending to be a centrist-disguised pragmatic liberal who is lulling you into a state of love and trust before sinking the knife in deeply? If Obama is playing everyone, how could anyone know what his motive is or trust him?


Or maybe he just fucked up and came out lucky on Syria

MADem

(135,425 posts)
27. Most Americans have zero knowledge as to how long the Obama administration has been working
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 01:33 PM
Sep 2013

the Syria issue. They've had meetings about it for the last couple of years now, coordinating responses with the Arab League and others, and they even had discussions with the Russians as long as over a year ago.

This isn't a new "get up to speed" event for them--they know the deal, they know the drill. It's their critics that are trying to get on the learning curve...

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
28. Obama "played" everybody???
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 01:44 PM
Sep 2013


Yep! It was ALL a secret plan!!!

"Playing" the British Parliament to resoundingly Shout "NO!!" to another Rush-to-War was tricky,
and maneuvering Putin to pull his chestnuts out of the fire at the last minute was especially devious,
one might say difficult for a rational person to believe.

[font size=3]

One thing I DO know,
those of us who consistently STOOD UP for
International Diplomacy and International Law Enforcement in dealing with Syria (or anyone else)
Did NOT "play" anybody,[/font]
and have been consistent, honest, and up front all the way.
We have no need for excuses, fanciful rationalizations, tortured mental gymnastics, sophistry, revamping of History, or apologies.
We WON!
[/font]


Is having a President who "plays" people NOW a "Good Thing"?
So was Obama also "playing" us about the Public Option, re-negotiating NAFTA, making EFCA the Law of the Land, Transparent Government, Protecting Whistle Blowers, Bailing out Wall Street, labeling GMO foods, and being a Friend of LABOR too?

...because I feel "played" on those issues.



You will know them by their [font size=3]WORKS.[/font]



 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
29. Look, it's real easy.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 02:10 PM
Sep 2013

If things are going bad, don't fret because wheels are in motion behind the scenes, and the plan is moving forward on a level that mere mortals can't comprehend. If things are going good, it's because his brilliant plans have come to fruition. See? Nothing to worry about!

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
37. I think you should run against Hillary in 2016
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 08:51 PM
Sep 2013

being so much smarter than Obama you would definitely be smarter than Hillitary - i'm sure you will win and then get to sit in the Big Chair and do your good works.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
33. Leading = Manipulation and deceit.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 07:59 PM
Sep 2013

That's the claim, at least.

Why, how Machiavellian of you.

You want an autocrat. Do we have an Autocratic Party?

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
34. Many recs...
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 08:34 PM
Sep 2013

and I can already see the reaction to this line:

They are so filled with that disease, that mental disorder called hate that they would rather praise Putin as he ‘played Obama’.

sad and hilarious.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
36. Obama is no one's fool but
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 08:40 PM
Sep 2013

he sure can make the fools dance the crazy dance they know the steps to so well after all this time and the many 'scandals'.

gotta love it.

Thank you, Mr. President for being the cool dude you are. You are Always the smartest man in the room and make these fools look like idiots. You don't intend to do that, because that isn't what you are about, it's just a nice bonus for some of us onlookers.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
56. From inside the Beltway, one of the most important rules in politics
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 12:36 AM
Sep 2013

Never Let Them Know What You Are Thinking.

Sam

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