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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Tue Nov 12, 2013, 01:52 PM Nov 2013

Left Wants Challenger For Hillary Clinton

Liberal leaders want Hillary Clinton to face a primary challenge in 2016 if she decides to run for president.

The goal of such a challenge wouldn’t necessarily be to defeat Clinton. It would be to prevent her from moving to the middle during the Democratic primary.

“I do think the country would be well served if we had somebody who would force a real debate about the policies of the Democratic Party and force the party to debate positions and avoid a coronation,” said Roger Hickey, co-director of Campaign for America’s Future, an influential progressive group.

It’s been more than five years since then-Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) stunned Clinton in the 2008 Democratic presidential primary. At the time, segments of the left lambasted her support of the Iraq war. Now, the wariness is on domestic policies.
Clinton raised concern among the Democratic Party’s populist base when she recently accepted an estimated $400,000 from Goldman Sachs for two speeches.

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http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/189919-left-wants-challenger-for-hillary

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Left Wants Challenger For Hillary Clinton (Original Post) Purveyor Nov 2013 OP
That's how the primary process works. riqster Nov 2013 #1
So give the repugs fodder for the General? elleng Nov 2013 #2
I didn't realize that we only have one choice. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2013 #4
Quite right, elleng Nov 2013 #5
That's not what I took away from R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2013 #9
Polling data suggests a vast majority of the public Fearless Nov 2013 #12
That's because core liberal values... dchill Nov 2013 #15
Agreed. Fearless Nov 2013 #16
Yes. Their approval is so low that next year... dchill Nov 2013 #19
Of course. elleng Nov 2013 #22
It doesn't say much for HC that HappyMe Nov 2013 #13
Yeah ogradda Nov 2013 #17
anytime people step away from the preprogrammed path set out by vested iinterests roguevalley Nov 2013 #7
To run the best most vetted candidate actually. Fearless Nov 2013 #11
Good. I don't see that as a bad thing. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2013 #3
Makes little sense DCPSR Nov 2013 #6
I'm for Xena, the Warrior Princess frazzled Nov 2013 #8
No more dynasties Mosaic Nov 2013 #10
Hell, I'd take $400K from Goldman Sachs, too, as long as.... DFW Nov 2013 #14
Very true davidpdx Nov 2013 #23
I disagree that the "goal of such a challenge wouldn’t necessarily be to defeat Clinton." Scuba Nov 2013 #18
+1 FiveGoodMen Nov 2013 #20
Exactly davidpdx Nov 2013 #24
I have an idea Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2013 #21

riqster

(13,986 posts)
1. That's how the primary process works.
Tue Nov 12, 2013, 01:55 PM
Nov 2013

That's why I backed Kucinich in the 2008 primaries. Good on them.

elleng

(131,032 posts)
2. So give the repugs fodder for the General?
Tue Nov 12, 2013, 02:05 PM
Nov 2013

There are surely reasons to support a challenger, but not sure this is a useful one.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
4. I didn't realize that we only have one choice.
Tue Nov 12, 2013, 02:22 PM
Nov 2013

There is nothing garunteed that HRC should be the Dem nominee. She will have to earn it like every other candidate.

elleng

(131,032 posts)
5. Quite right,
Tue Nov 12, 2013, 02:26 PM
Nov 2013

but the point of the OP was, I thought, a challenger FROM THE LEFT, against whom repugs could wail and wail and wail.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
9. That's not what I took away from
Tue Nov 12, 2013, 02:59 PM
Nov 2013

the article. The very damming points that are made, with reference to HRC taking 400K from Goldman Sacks, is that she is in the pocket of the 1%. If true then how can HRC be considered anything less than a centrist 3rd wayer?

I'd be happy to hear her perspective on the above as well as any challenger's questions and statements.

dchill

(38,515 posts)
15. That's because core liberal values...
Tue Nov 12, 2013, 03:40 PM
Nov 2013

are actually mainstream values, not to mention values that would be held by a REAL Christian nation - if the US actually was one. IMO.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
16. Agreed.
Tue Nov 12, 2013, 04:05 PM
Nov 2013

To win we need good PR and turnout. For republicans to win they have to cheat or stifle turnout.

dchill

(38,515 posts)
19. Yes. Their approval is so low that next year...
Tue Nov 12, 2013, 05:18 PM
Nov 2013

they will have to lie, cheat AND stifle turnout. But they already do that. I guess more states will have to pass bogus voter ID laws.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
13. It doesn't say much for HC that
Tue Nov 12, 2013, 03:15 PM
Nov 2013

the repugs won't wail and wail and wail against her.

Yes, we NEED a challenger from the Left.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
7. anytime people step away from the preprogrammed path set out by vested iinterests
Tue Nov 12, 2013, 02:42 PM
Nov 2013

it is a wonderful thing.

DCPSR

(35 posts)
6. Makes little sense
Tue Nov 12, 2013, 02:41 PM
Nov 2013

from a logical standpoint. So you put a primary up, she stays more left tilted, but is that the way she would govern? Isn't that really the point.

Mosaic

(1,451 posts)
10. No more dynasties
Tue Nov 12, 2013, 03:09 PM
Nov 2013

That's reason enough not to choose her. On the other hand we truly need a Progressive mover and shaker. So there are two great reasons not to even think about her.

DFW

(54,426 posts)
14. Hell, I'd take $400K from Goldman Sachs, too, as long as....
Tue Nov 12, 2013, 03:18 PM
Nov 2013

I was allowed to say anything I wanted to. (They might not like what they got for their money, but hey, you pays yer money and you takes yer chances).

I'm glad the first sentence said what the headline did not: the primary challenge is wished IF she decides to run for president.

IF.

The one possibility the pundits (and, apparently, half the Democrats, too) are ignoring is that she might have no plans to run at all. If this is the case, then the wisest thing the DNC (and Hillary) could to is exactly what they are doing now: let her act as a lightning rod for the whole Republican hate machine (including the Kochs, Adelson, Fox Noise and National Hate Radio). Let them blow $200 million and a lot of their time and energy on dissing a wraith, and then let the younger candidates, from whose ranks our next president will come, sort it out when the primaries begin for real. Hillary is a brilliant stand-up comedienne, for those who don't know, and I'll bet she could give a show at the 2016 convention, summing up all the crap tossed at her by right wingers who assumed she would be the candidate, savagely making fun of all of them. It would be a routine that would be seen live on national television, and then on youtube, getting ten times more views than "Mitt Romney Style." The Republican hate machine would come off looking so badly that they would never recover by the time the election rolled around. That's how I'd play it, anyway.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
23. Very true
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 10:06 AM
Nov 2013

People on here assume she will run. We don't have any proof thus far she is.

I am hoping someone else is going to step up or a draft moment starts.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
18. I disagree that the "goal of such a challenge wouldn’t necessarily be to defeat Clinton."
Tue Nov 12, 2013, 05:12 PM
Nov 2013

Yeah, it would.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,426 posts)
21. I have an idea
Tue Nov 12, 2013, 07:16 PM
Nov 2013

Let's have a primary! Did somebody not think of that already?

BTW who has actually announced so far?

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